1 year later, Obama still blames bush

[Facetious]

^ If you regulate private sector business too oppressively, you lose the important tax base required to run this giant government you desire.:dunno:


Why hasn't the SEC bureaucracy yet been investigated and / or lambasted for being as incompetent as they've been over the years ? Who does the chair at the SEC answer to in the chain of command ? :dunno:
How did certain entities ever become "too big to fail" doesn't that indicate a monopoly of sort ? and if so, why didn't the laws that were already in place prevent such entities from becoming so big ?

If you ask me the recent economy breakdown occurred because of a number of complex issues that will likely never see the light of day. You don't believe that republicans and democrats alike meet with CEOs and investment banker big shots over a nice sizzling steak & cocktails with regularity ? Sure they do ! You don't think that the democratic as well as the republican politicians exploit every loophole possible to pick up a quick extra buck ?... maybe looky look in the other direction when "the shit is going down ?" C'mon, these are attorneys ! they know exactly what they're doing, they know just the right language to use whether they're authoring legislation, up on the stand, taking bribes from special interests, whatever. Greed and corruption are not uniquely republican problems -

It has been said that the politician enters the arena as forthright, honest and well intentioned and the longer that politician remains in office, the greater the temptations. Imagine how difficult it must be to have so much access, all of the special interests tapping on your shoulder, maybe that's what happened to the "overseers" @ the SEC who failed miserably to perform their duties ... firewall ? what firewall?

 

[titsrock]

^In order to stop the steak & cocktails...
we need to take these--->

to this-->

 

[DJCowboy]

When it's his fuck-up. The country has been headed toward an economic disaster since the 80s.

This is true, there were economists predicting this during the Clinton years as far as I can remember. But of course, most politicians think they were just crying wolf

 

[georges]

If you want to governementize the most successful industrial and services sectors, you will end like the USSR, broke and with no money over the long run. If also you want people to pay for others by taxing their revenues and forcing them to pay social security and healthcare for the poor and the ghetto crowd (the two were the biggest obama so called change fanboys), you are going to seriously in the wrong direction. You have to responsibilize and educate citizens about how they spend their money, and also teach them what is a meritocracy. A meritocracy is where one has to work hard to deserve something. Sorry pal, but I don't think your state need social assisted and lazy to work parasites.

 

[Hot Mega]

If you want to governementize the most successful industrial and services sectors,

Who advocates that?? These so called "most successful industrial and services sectors" "governementize" (sic) themselves by asking for assistance. (A fact you still seem determined to overlook.)

you will end like the USSR, broke and with no money over the long run.

The USSR went belly-up because they spent tons of money militarizing their satellite nations and didn't have the GDP to support it.:2 cents:

If also you want people to pay for others by taxing their revenues and forcing them to pay social security and healthcare for the poor and the ghetto crowd (the two were the biggest obama so called change fanboys), you are going to seriously in the wrong direction.

I suppose we could go back to the days before social security when people had it far better in those soup lines. They were some of the hardest working people in our nation's history and still ended up in soup lines. Explanation Georges?

You have to responsibilize and educate citizens about how they spend their money,

Now who's the "socialist"?

and also teach them what is a meritocracy. A meritocracy is where one has to work hard to deserve something. Sorry pal, but I don't think your state need social assisted and lazy to work parasites.

Why do we need to teach "meritocracy"??? If you mean having some dream to do something, setting a goal, following a plan to meet that goal and ultimately accomplishing it....there are millions of examples of that to follow without teaching it.

 

[Facial_King]

This thread is pointless. The willfully ignorant types here, who would hate Obama no matter what, started their internal history clocks the moment Obama won the election, so everything after that point is Obama's fault, and all the evidence to the contrary will go in one of their ears and out the other.

 

[Hot Mega]

This thread is pointless. The willfully ignorant types here, who would hate Obama no matter what, started their internal history clocks the moment Obama won the election, so everything after that point is Obama's fault, and all the evidence to the contrary will go in one of their ears and out the other.

The last time unemployment hit double digits was a full 2 years after King Ronnie Raygun took office. I wonder who some of these geniuses felt (or feel) should have accepted "blame" for that??? Jason....anything? Anything? Anything?:1orglaugh

 

[jasonk282]

The last time unemployment hit double digits was a full 2 years after King Ronnie Raygun took office. I wonder who some of these geniuses felt (or feel) should have accepted "blame" for that??? Jason....anything? Anything? Anything?:1orglaugh

IDK I was 5 years old in 1983,but after 2 years in office it would be his fault, he had 2 years to implement his programs.

 

[jasonk282]

^In order to stop the steak & cocktails...
we need to take these--->

to this-->

You are serous about cutting un the Constitution?

 

[georges]

1) Who advocates that?? These so called "most successful industrial and services sectors" "governementize" (sic) themselves by asking for assistance. (A fact you still seem determined to overlook.)

2) The USSR went belly-up because they spent tons of money militarizing their satellite nations and didn't have the GDP to support it.:2 cents:

3) I suppose we could go back to the days before social security when people had it far better in those soup lines. They were some of the hardest working people in our nation's history and still ended up in soup lines. Explanation Georges?

4) Now who's the "socialist"?

5) Why do we need to teach "meritocracy"??? If you mean having some dream to do something, setting a goal, following a plan to meet that goal and ultimately accomplishing it....there are millions of examples of that to follow without teaching it.

1) You obviously who are one of the biggest obama fanboys with fomm and fk. I don't think boeing or lockheed martin need to be governmentized to work as successful companies, they have been private companies since decades and have sold much more planes than the european companies for example british aerospace or aerospatiale or dassault

2) You forgot that France went bankrupt because of thirty years of nonstop of social assistance including paying social security and healthcare for foreigners who migrated from the Maghreb and who also benefited from apartments and others helps too before the french born citizens. Fact is that many of these migrants have badly integrated themselves in the French society and are just leeching social helps and social security that are taxed on the honest harworking French citizens revenues. Sweden had also that problem till the early 2000s.

3) If you want social security then work but don't leech or don't ask the other people to pay the social security for you. The ghetto crowd are not the hardest working people, they are people living in shitty suburbs, wanting easy money and comitting crimes and of course most of them are illegal aliens. I see no reason why we should help them. To deserve social security and other social helps you have to prove by your behavior that you are worthy of it and that you contribute to the society as well as be well integrated, otherwise go back to your country of origin.

4) I am not the socialist, I have simply said that people have to be responsible of their acts. Aside school, it is the parents who build up the education of a child, not a nanny state.

5) Oh really, tell me how many people who haven't busted their asses off live in rich suburbs, have a +100k$ per year salary, have a + 60000$ car, a rolex watch and stunning bombshell? I am waiting for proofs with concrete numbers.

 

[CunningStunts]

It never ceases to amaze me how little the average person understands about economics and the US Constitution/political system.

 

[Hot Mega]

IDK I was 5 years old in 1983,but after 2 years in office it would be his fault, he had 2 years to implement his programs.

Well what you should glean from that is no matter what you do to improve a very bad economy, jobs will ALWAYS lag as an indicator of improvement. And it certainly can lag as long as years (not less than a year...Obama took office on Jan 20...didn't sign the recovery act until a month later...here it is just Nov....do the math.) depending on the nature of the financial crisis.

1) You obviously who are one of the biggest obama fanboys with fomm and fk. I don't think boeing or lockheed martin need to be governmentized to work as successful companies, they have been private companies since decades and have sold much more planes than the european companies for example british aerospace or aerospatiale or dassault

:1orglaugh "fanboy"....much of Lockhead Martin and Boeing's business comes from over-budget government contracts. Of course no business needs to be "governmentized" to work but when some business asks the g'ment for help in the midst of a worldwide downturn....how silly do you sound trying to blame that on the g'ment??? OF FREAKIN COURSE the g'ment (if they're responsible) will require some measure of control over how they then use taxpayer money. Duh!!!

2) You forgot that France went bankrupt because of thirty years of nonstop of social assistance including paying social security and healthcare for foreigners who migrated from the Maghreb and who also benefited from apartments and others helps too before the french born citizens. Fact is that many of these migrants have badly integrated themselves in the French society and are just leeching social helps and social security that are taxed on the honest harworking French citizens revenues. Sweden had also that problem till the early 2000s.

Georges it is this simple. ANYTHING will go bankrupt if it spends more money than it's ability to repay. That's what bankrupt means. What it is spent on is irrelevant!!!. Example A.) The USSR nearly went bankrupt supporting military infrastructure Soviet bloc countries and an intractable war in Afghanistan. Example B.) We've borrowed and spent over $700B in Iraq alone in 6 years...if we continued policies like that we'd go bankrupt too and it wouldn't be because of social security. If your spending is supported by the revenue, what difference does it matter what priorities you choose to spend on???

3) If you want social security then work but don't leech or don't ask the other people to pay the social security for you. The ghetto crowd are not the hardest working people, they are people living in shitty suburbs, wanting easy money and comitting crimes and of course most of them are illegal aliens. I see no reason why we should help them. To deserve social security and other social helps you have to prove by your behavior that you are worthy of it and that you contribute to the society as well as be well integrated, otherwise go back to your country of origin.

Not sure what you're driving at here. But forgetting social security for a minute....the concept of any type of security is that you may not need it all the time but it's there when you need it.

4) I am not the socialist, I have simply said that people have to be responsible of their acts. Aside school, it is the parents who build up the education of a child, not a nanny state.

5) Oh really, tell me how many people who haven't busted their asses off live in rich suburbs, have a +100k$ per year salary, have a + 60000$ car, a rolex watch and stunning bombshell? I am waiting for proofs with concrete numbers.

Everyone who's inherited wealth?:dunno:

 

[Mr D]

This guy has done nothing as President so far. NOTHING!!!!

 

[georges]

1) :1orglaugh "fanboy"....much of Lockhead Martin and Boeing's business comes from over-budget government contracts. Of course no business needs to be "governmentized" to work but when some business asks the g'ment for help in the midst of a worldwide downturn....how silly do you sound trying to blame that on the g'ment??? OF FREAKIN COURSE the g'ment (if they're responsible) will require some measure of control over how they then use taxpayer money. Duh!!!

2) Georges it is this simple. ANYTHING will go bankrupt if it spends more money than it's ability to repay. That's what bankrupt means. What it is spent on is irrelevant!!!. Example A.) The USSR nearly went bankrupt supporting military infrastructure Soviet bloc countries and an intractable war in Afghanistan. Example B.) We've borrowed and spent over $700B in Iraq alone in 6 years...if we continued policies like that we'd go bankrupt too and it wouldn't be because of social security. If your spending is supported by the revenue, what difference does it matter what priorities you choose to spend on???


3) Not sure what you're driving at here. But forgetting social security for a minute....the concept of any type of security is that you may not need it all the time but it's there when you need it.

4)


5) Everyone who's inherited wealth?:dunno:

1) It is well known that they get US government contracts but on the foreign market they are more competitive than their competitors hence why they win more market shares. Boeing and Lockheed also sell civilian aircraft to several worldwide companies, the most of the money done by boeing and Lockheed is made with the sales of civilian aircraft.

2) What the money is spent on is relevant because it is the honest hardworking citizen's moeny which is being taxed and seing it gone up in smoke, is definitely not encouraging but infuriating. The social security is a lost cause because some unwilling to work people and ghetto scumbags will benefit from it. If these people wanted social security so much they should have busted their asses off since the beginning.

3) If you want something, work in order to get it. But don't leech, it is worse than being a beggar or tramp asking for money.

4) Please don't pretend that you didn't understand

5) Every person who has been a strongminded opportunist and enough clever to grab the opportunities as well as to establish himself as a proven and experienced leader can succeed better than anyone else. Wealth doesn't buy your brains, one can be rich and utterly stupid.

 

[Hot Mega]

This guy has done nothing as President so far. NOTHING!!!!

Sent 17k more troops to Afghanistan (campaign Promise), Signed the economic recovery act in Feb., signed exec order requiring GiTMO be closed (campaign Promise), Rescued GM and Chrysler, Created the CARS program (widely seen as a success), has Pakistan engaging the Taliban and AQ in places now they never have before (necessary if we're going to win in Afghanistan).....

Stop living under a rock.

 

[monicasilver]

So what we gonna do with all this debt? What's the solution? :dunno:

Good point. The policies of spending and taxing business slow growth and mount debt.

I wish there was a party that supported a fiscally conservative and socially liberal approach.

I find Bush and Obama to both be inadequate.

 

[Jagger69]

So what we gonna do with all this debt? What's the solution? :dunno:

Repudiate it. Declare it to be non-existent and we start all over with a zero balance.

 

[gotham123]

maybe bush still deserves blaming, let's face it he royally fucked up the country for at least the next decade

 

[bigsexydude35]

I just think that the country is so messed up, that whoever was elected would not have been able to clean it up in a year. i give credit to Obama knowing that he would be criticized no matter what was done. Just my opinion

 

[Will E Worm]

^In order to stop the steak & cocktails...
we need to take these--->

to this-->

:nono: People that think like that need to leave this country.

That is the Supreme Law of this land. Whether you like it or not. :thefinger

maybe bush still deserves blaming, let's face it he royally fucked up the country for at least the next decade

Liberals will always point the finger. They are never happy.

Obama isn't fixing anything because he lied to you.

Wake up and face reality!

Health Care debate will be LIVE on C-SPAN?

They will negotiate the final bill from the house and the senate behind closed doors!

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