1 year later, Obama still blames bush

One year later, Obama TRIPLED the national debt! Also, starting with Mass. This Mesiah's reign is now over!


Like I thought....Nester6...c'mon, you're better than this....you claim Obama tripled the debt...but from you link...

Mr. Obama's characterizations of his budget unfortunately fall into this pattern. He claims to reduce the deficit by half, to shave $2 trillion off the debt (the cumulative deficit over his 10-year budget horizon), and not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year. While in a Clintonian sense correct (depends on what the definition of "is" is), it is far more accurate to describe Mr. Obama's budget as almost tripling the deficit. It adds $6.5 trillion to the national debt, and leaves future U.S. taxpayers (many of whom will make far less than $250,000) with the tab. And all this before dealing with the looming Medicare and Social Security cost explosion.

Keep in mind this is an opinion piece....also....hardly proof...:wave2:
 
So did your conservative messiah, Ronald Reagan.
Where was the outrage then?

There was outrage from what I read.

I know Regan, rightfully, got knocked for ignoring aids.

I think Reagan's Economic theories works. What didn't work was massive military spending. What Reagan did with military spending is a crime.

He will pay for that crime because people don't understand that the military spending is what caused the deficit spending. Tax revenues actually went up. So, had he not spent large sums on military he would have had a surplus.

(To the haters out there. No, I'm not a "fan" of Regan.)
 
There was outrage from what I read.

I know Regan, rightfully, got knocked for ignoring aids.

I think Reagan's Economic theories works. What didn't work was massive military spending. What Reagan did with military spending is a crime.

He will pay for that crime because people don't understand that the military spending is what caused the deficit spending. Tax revenues actually went up. So, had he not spent large sums on military he would have had a surplus.

(To the haters out there. No, I'm not a "fan" of Regan.)

You do know that strategy worked, i.e., it caused the fall of the USSR and freed millions of people from communist oppression? Or do they still teach about how much of a failure communism was in the 20th century in schools these days? How many people it impoverished, oppressed and killed? :cool:
 
Where's the link to the rest of the statement so we (I) can see it in it's entirety. Context, etc. Can you link the entire quote?

So your problem is with the word "inherited"? In other words had he simply said the debt is a a reason to reduce waste you would have been okay with it? Or can he even in some context discuss the debt?


First of all, I was making the point that presidents come into office facing varying circumstances and as such it is directly related to the things you voted for him to accomplish. It is undoubtedly his job to do but to act as if what was inherited here was no different than any other circumstance is a bit naive IMO. The other thing was to point out neither the link associated with this thread nor the OP's comments reflect what the title says.

No doubt there are naive people out there...I spoke with a woman who asked in her best English (Vietnamese) why people at her job were still getting laid off since Obama has been in office for 2 months. I suppose he could wave a wand.

Now I asked you for evidence that Obama was blaming Bush a year later...you responded with text from a alleged quote with no source. I don't doubt your claim but I would like to read it for myself in it's proper context to see if it is actually blaming Bush a year later. Well we know it's not a year later b/c a year hasn't even gotten her and by your own submission you say it was 9 months. But provide the link please.

Actually, the quote itself is a primary source. (That I'm quoting from) Providing you with a link to a secondary source would be helpful to you. I understand this, but I haven't seen you convince me to help you. So I'll let you do your own homework. I just state my fact, you can do with it as you please. (Bing is one option.)

Yes, the point I was making was that Obama was whining that he inherited a problem. I have other points I could make, but that was the only one I was making.

I watch CNN. I haven't read the Health Care bill (I'm guessing you haven't either.). I'm told from the people on CNN that the Health Care bill will create significant spending and increase taxes.

So, now I'm adding to my point.

I think the president is whining that he had to be saddled with problems that existed before he came into office.

I think that the health care bill will create deficit spending. I assume that will lead to raising taxes. I'm also assuming from what I have heard reported on CNN that the taxes will be garnered from placed that may restrict growth in the economy.

I also think that the bill overall is corrupt. It is a back room deal. It is an attempt to ram through legislation without even so much as the courtesy of open debate.

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Hey, I respect your opinion. I voted for Obama. I dislike George W. Bush. (I actually think George H. Bush was a pretty good president. I think Clinton had style). I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.
 
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You do know that strategy worked, i.e., it caused the fall of the USSR and freed millions of people from communist oppression? Or do they still teach about how much of a failure communism was in the 20th century in schools these days? How many people it impoverished, oppressed and killed? :cool:

The last political science class I took in college taught that this claim is made, but has not been proven. I haven't done the analysis myself. So, I can't answer it one way or the other.

I do believe that supply side economics works, but spending has to be limited.
 
The last political science class I took in college taught that this claim is made, but has not been proven. I haven't done the analysis myself. So, I can't answer it one way or the other.

I do believe that supply side economics works, but spending has to be limited.


lol...Columbia B-School and I still can't spell!
 
The last political science class I took in college taught that this claim is made, but has not been proven. I haven't done the analysis myself. So, I can't answer it one way or the other.

I do believe that supply side economics works, but spending has to be limited.

It worked, trust me. The USSR could no longer remain viable as an economic power speding so much on the arms race and Gorby realized the only way out was to abandon the race and make some overtures to the West.

And the sad part is that we (the US) are doing the same thing now, but to ourselves... spending ourselves into bankruptcy. Political-induced state suicide...:2 cents:
 
Actually, the quote itself is a primary source. (That I'm quoting from) Providing you with a link to a secondary source would be helpful to you. I understand this, but I haven't seen you convince me to help you. So I'll let you do your own homework. I just state my fact, you can do with it as you please. (Bing is one option.)

Yes, the point I was making was that Obama was whining that he inherited a problem. I have other points I could make, but that was the only one I was making.

I watch CNN. I haven't read the Health Care bill (I'm guessing you haven't either.). I'm told from the people on CNN that the Health Care bill will create significant spending and increase taxes.

So, now I'm adding to my point.

I think the president is whining that he had to be saddled with problems that existed before he came into office.

I think that the health care bill will create deficit spending. I assume that will lead to raising taxes. I'm also assuming from what I have heard reported on CNN that the taxes will be garnered from placed that may restrict growth in the economy.

I also think that the bill overall is corrupt. It is a back room deal. It is an attempt to ram through legislation without even so much as the courtesy of open debate.

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Hey, I respect your opinion. I voted for Obama. I dislike George W. Bush. (I actually think George H. Bush was a pretty good president. I think Clinton had style). I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this.

I don't care about order of sources and I never claimed an order. Usually so that people are reading the exact same things those who make claims provide their reference.

People make claims all the time about what they think they heard, think they read or what someone else says someone said.

Obviously in the case of the thread starter, he made a claim and referenced some source that in no way supports his claim.

In this case, you've attributed a series of statements to someone bearing a fairly loose context at some point in time.

Forgive my skepticism but I've seen far too many times where individuals attribute statement or circumstance to others but the reference they use supports neither. Again, the original post in this thread would be the classic example. Some say Obama said he would end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...based on what they thought they heard or read when he never said that and it's been refuted countless times.

Now you've either copy/pasted or retyped some statement you attributed to Obama (entire context unclear) then suggest I do my own research. In my view, trying to find the exact collection of words you've assembled to see if this or that is what you're referencing amounts to fishing...

Certainly not worth the time for the simple exercise of playing semantics with someone.

IMO it's always smart to put things in perspective and avail people of stark realities. But of course, if someone is inclined to view today's circumstances as no different from any other even though by most standards it is...it's probably a waste of time debating that person to begin with.
 
The last political science class I took in college taught that this claim is made, but has not been proven. I haven't done the analysis myself. So, I can't answer it one way or the other.

I do believe that supply side economics works, but spending has to be limited.

Tricle down economics pretty much did nothing except funnel money into the hands of fewer people at the top. It was the biggest economic disaster of any of our lifetimes here and is the biggest reason we are in trouble now. I'm amazed almost anybody could except for a small sliver of the popluation could still think it was a good idea after we have decades to see it's failure.
 
I'm interested if the health reform goes through, not sure why so many Republicans are against it unless their all on health insurance?

He needs more than two terms to make a real difference and leave a strong legacy imo.
 

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I'm interested if the health reform goes through, not sure why so many Republicans are against it unless their all on health insurance?

He needs more than two terms to make a real difference and leave a strong legacy imo.

Man he needs as long as a president can get for the problems.....His opposition in next election will make all sorts of promises but all they will do is continue, chop and change here and there what he is at.
 
Man he needs as long as a president can get for the problems.....His opposition in next election will make all sorts of promises but all they will do is continue, chop and change here and there what he is at.

I guess so. Any reason why Coakley lost that seat so badly? I would have thought after Kennedy a sure pair of hands would have kept the Democrats in control. Obama's health reform is going to faced it's stiffest test yet.
 
Man he needs as long as a president can get for the problems.....His opposition in next election will make all sorts of promises but all they will do is continue, chop and change here and there what he is at.

Well, people need to remember...GOPers played the obstructionist card in '93 and here we are 16 years later the same thing, "...the president wants to come between you and your doctor...blah, blah, blah...our plan is better....elect us..." then they turn into lesbians <don't do dick>.

I guess so. Any reason why Coakley lost that seat so badly? I would have thought after Kennedy a sure pair of hands would have kept the Democrats in control. Obama's health reform is going to faced it's stiffest test yet.

Winning elections is not just about ideas...it's about the right salesman to sell the idea and the right marketing strategy. GOPers learned this years ago...Demos are still clueless and Coakley barely has a pulse.

The best product doesn't always win in the marketplace but the product with the best marketing plan most always does.
 
Tricle down economics pretty much did nothing except funnel money into the hands of fewer people at the top. It was the biggest economic disaster of any of our lifetimes here and is the biggest reason we are in trouble now. I'm amazed almost anybody could except for a small sliver of the popluation could still think it was a good idea after we have decades to see it's failure.

That conflicts with what I was taught about economics. Lowering financial restrictions on corporations creates more investment and opportunity. This creates jobs and increased wealth across the board.
 
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