Japanese and American Reaction to Disaster

[Trident1]

Curious to see how orderly the Japanese react to disaster compared to say the American one after Katrina.
Both suffered from nature's wrath. Yet we see order and no looting in Japan, and chaos, corrupt cops leaving, looting, murder after Katrina.
What a difference.

When the big one hits L.A. it's going to be yet another compare/contrast to Japan.

 

[ragincaucasian]

more racist bullshit - hooray!

 

[Jagger69]

Japan's civil and cultural folkways are much more disciplined than those in the US. Even still, anytime there is a disaster of significant proportions like the two you compare, I think the vast majority of people have a natural tendency to pull together as one instead of taking a "me first" attitude. However, it cannot be debated that, had a similar disaster occurred in the US, there would unquestionably be more acts of violence, looting etc. It's just the difference in societal conditioning that leads to the variation in response.

A very thought-provoking topic! :thumbsup:

 

[meesterperfect]

more racist bullshit - hooray!

if thats how you want to take it ....good.
its true.
In many ways Japanese culture is more civilized than in the USA.
However one variable is that Japan is a 1 ethnicity country where as The USA is mixed and sadly its still not nor will probably ever be united as a group of one people, Americans that is.

 

[ragincaucasian]

the topic is neither genuine or original....I've seen it regurgitated on various other websites (is this what Rush, Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Levin, or Savage is talking about now?) in another attempt to smear non-hegemons
Its a simplistic strawman meant to steer towards a desired perspective (because it is framed so simple)

If you're actually attempting to compare Katrina to the Japan Tsunami (much less the earthquake), it is ridiculous, especially if you're ignoring how Japan's infrastructure supports disaster relief (unlike the complete government clusterfuck response in the Gulf)

In many ways Japanese culture is more civilized than in the USA.

have you seen their porn?
They are a culture of people steeped in repressive conformist ideals and tradition. Get in line or GTFO.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-quake-polite-20110313,0,4238012.story

Japan has more significant earthquakes than any country in the world. They conduct training exercises for events just like this one. The people there know what to do and where to go in the event of a disaster.

Americans are lazy and stupid. Our governments do not lead us in survival exercises to deal with the kinds of disasters that could befall our communities.

The looting during Katrina was highly exaggerated. The reports that blacks were shooting whites and police was found out to be lies ginned up by the NO police after they shot two groups of blacks. One was shot right outside a police station...several blacks stuck on a freeway overpass were gunned down by NO police snipers after one of the police fire his gun in the air with no provocation. The FBI investigated and the offending officers were charged with murder. The NO police tried to hide their actions. Some of them were charged with obstructing the investigation.

The problem with a disaster like Katrina is that people are not trained what to do or where to go to get assistance. The Army Corps of Engineers knew that the levees would fail in just those conditions yet the authorities did nothing to educate the population ahead of time.

Blaming people for doing what they have to to survive is repugnant. Going into a flooded out store to grab some food that will be spoiled anyway or take a couple of bottles of water in such circumstance is not looting. It is surviving. If some yahoo like (You know who) started shooting at people taking water or food in an earthquake, like the one in Japan, in my community he would be taken out immediately.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Japan has a good democratic tradition and had an honourable prime minister recently.
If the american populace felt that their leaders cared for them, they may not behave so badly...

 

[meesterperfect]

the topic is neither genuine or original....I've seen it regurgitated on various other websites (is this what Rush, Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Levin, or Savage is talking about now?) in another attempt to smear non-hegemons
Its a simplistic strawman meant to steer towards a desired perspective (because it is framed so simple)

If you're actually attempting to compare Katrina to the Japan Tsunami (much less the earthquake), it is ridiculous, especially if you're ignoring how Japan's infrastructure supports disaster relief (unlike the complete government clusterfuck response in the Gulf)

have you seen their porn?
They are a culture of people steeped in repressive conformist ideals and tradition. Get in line or GTFO.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-japan-quake-polite-20110313,0,4238012.story

Japan has more significant earthquakes than any country in the world. They conduct training exercises for events just like this one. The people there know what to do and where to go in the event of a disaster.

Americans are lazy and stupid. Our governments do not lead us in survival exercises to deal with the kinds of disasters that could befall our communities.

The looting during Katrina was highly exaggerated. The reports that blacks were shooting whites and police was found out to be lies ginned up by the NO police after they shot two groups of blacks. One was shot right outside a police station...several blacks stuck on a freeway overpass were gunned down by NO police snipers after one of the police fire his gun in the air with no provocation. The FBI investigated and the offending officers were charged with murder. The NO police tried to hide their actions. Some of them were charged with obstructing the investigation.

The problem with a disaster like Katrina is that people are not trained what to do or where to go to get assistance. The Army Corps of Engineers knew that the levees would fail in just those conditions yet the authorities did nothing to educate the population ahead of time.

Blaming people for doing what they have to to survive is repugnant. Going into a flooded out store to grab some food that will be spoiled anyway or take a couple of bottles of water in such circumstance is not looting. It is surviving. If some yahoo like (You know who) started shooting at people taking water or food in an earthquake, like the one in Japan, in my community he would be taken out immediately.

whatever man.
i just didn't realize that running down the street with a tv in your arms was " doing what they have to to survive", I now realize how repugnant that was of me.

 

[Jagger69]

the topic is neither genuine or original....I've seen it regurgitated on various other websites (is this what Rush, Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Levin, or Savage is talking about now?) in another attempt to smear non-hegemons
Its a simplistic strawman meant to steer towards a desired perspective (because it is framed so simple)

If you're actually attempting to compare Katrina to the Japan Tsunami (much less the earthquake), it is ridiculous, especially if you're ignoring how Japan's infrastructure supports disaster relief (unlike the complete government clusterfuck response in the Gulf)

have you seen their porn?
They are a culture of people steeped in repressive conformist ideals and tradition. Get in line or GTFO.

Japan has more significant earthquakes than any country in the world. They conduct training exercises for events just like this one. The people there know what to do and where to go in the event of a disaster.

Americans are lazy and stupid. Our governments do not lead us in survival exercises to deal with the kinds of disasters that could befall our communities.

The looting during Katrina was highly exaggerated. The reports that blacks were shooting whites and police was found out to be lies ginned up by the NO police after they shot two groups of blacks. One was shot right outside a police station...several blacks stuck on a freeway overpass were gunned down by NO police snipers after one of the police fire his gun in the air with no provocation. The FBI investigated and the offending officers were charged with murder. The NO police tried to hide their actions. Some of them were charged with obstructing the investigation.

The problem with a disaster like Katrina is that people are not trained what to do or where to go to get assistance. The Army Corps of Engineers knew that the levees would fail in just those conditions yet the authorities did nothing to educate the population ahead of time.

Blaming people for doing what they have to to survive is repugnant. Going into a flooded out store to grab some food that will be spoiled anyway or take a couple of bottles of water in such circumstance is not looting. It is surviving. If some yahoo like (You know who) started shooting at people taking water or food in an earthquake, like the one in Japan, in my community he would be taken out immediately.

Good points! I don't think any attempt to make this a racial issue is valid. The differences are essentially cultural and literally have nothing to do with race. Were the Japanese conditioned to loot or shoot at cops in such circumstances, they most certainly would....race be damned.

All too often we tend to regard certain perceived ethnic tendencies as being racial in nature when, in fact, they have little or nothing to do with race and have everything to do with culture. Big difference.

 

[DOA82]

Curious to see how orderly the Japanese react to disaster compared to say the American one after Katrina.
Both suffered from nature's wrath. Yet we see order and no looting in Japan, and chaos, corrupt cops leaving, looting, murder after Katrina.
What a difference.

When the big one hits L.A. it's going to be yet another compare/contrast to Japan.

Your comparing a hurricane to a tsunami?

I think the levels of destruction fail to fall into perspective of one another.

Were not talking about a country that was battered by winds and debris, destructive as it was, areas struck by the tsunami have been wiped clean off the fucking map!

Theres nothing to loot!

 

[CunningStunts]

more racist bullshit - hooray!

What an intellectual copout. It's been reported on the news, why isn't it a topic for discussion?

I've never negative repped someone, you You Might be the first with personal attacks against other posters, in this and numerous other threads.

Disagreeing is one thing, being uncivil and insulting is quite another. :2 cents:

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

Japan has a good democratic tradition and had an honourable prime minister recently.
If the american populace felt that their leaders cared for them, they may not behave so badly...

good point

how bout we compare the fact that the Japanese government acted almost immediately despite only having hours before the disaster would hit

the U.S. government on the other hand took over half a week to act to something they knew was coming 3 or more days in advance

the fuckin Canadians were ready to help us out before we were ready to help ourselves

i'm no rocket scientist but that would lead me to think the U.S. government said "Fuck You" to the Katrina victims:2 cents:

 

[vodkazvictim]

good point

how bout we compare the fact that the Japanese government acted almost immediately despite only having hours before the disaster would hit

the U.S. government on the other hand took over half a week to act to something they knew was coming 3 or more days in advance

the fuckin Canadians were ready to help us out before we were ready to help ourselves

i'm no rocket scientist but that would lead me to think the U.S. government said "Fuck You" to the Katrina victims:2 cents:

Well said!

 

[CunningStunts]

i'm no rocket scientist but that would lead me to think the U.S. government said "Fuck You" to the Katrina victims:2 cents:

Read the National Response Framework and you would understand that responses go from local to state to regional and THEN Federal. The response to Katrina was not perfect, but politics played more into the blame game than the facts. The problem was that the local and state politicians did such a poor job of planning and execution that there WAS no local response and very little state assets into the NOLA area in the first 72 hours. By comparison, the MS coast was much harder hit, but the state did a MUCH better job of responding quickly because they were more prepared. :2 cents:

I have worked with the JSDF on emergency planning several times, they are doing better than any other country right now. They are well prepared, they are smart, they have a lot of resources, and best of all, their culture helps with an orderly response (which gets at what the OP meant with the thread).

 

[ragincaucasian]

whatever man.
i just didn't realize that running down the street with a tv in your arms was " doing what they have to to survive", I now realize how repugnant that was of me.

well goddamn those people drowning in their attics, there's motherfuckers taking TV sets, Margaret!!!!

We see where the priorties were at.

What an intellectual copout. It's been reported on the news, why isn't it a topic for discussion?

I've never negative repped someone, you you might be the first with personal attacks against other posters, in this and numerous other threads.

Disagreeing is one thing, being uncivil and insulting is quite another. :2 cents:

cry us a river with your self-righteous bullshit. You're certainly one to talk about getting personal. I responded to an OP that wasn't based on any sort of intellectual honesty with like manner.

 

[CunningStunts]

cry us a river with your self-righteous bullshit. You're certainly one to talk about getting personal. I responded to an OP that wasn't based on any sort of intellectual honesty with like manner.

Been here a long time, never been called these things before, even by people that I hardly ever agree with. Before calling people names, maybe you might want to stop and think first. :2 cents:

 

[ragincaucasian]

The problem was that the local and state politicians did such a poor job of planning and execution that there WAS no local response and very little state assets into the NOLA area in the first 72 hours. By comparison, the MS coast was much harder hit, but the state did a MUCH better job of responding quickly because they were more prepared.\

again (as usual) you need to clarify your argument.
The destruction of the hurricane was one thing (Katrina was a bitch)....but the FLOODING of NOLA (because the levees were shit) is another thing. When you mash concepts together to create a simple and sloppy argument you are disrespecting everyone involved in the discourse.

The evacuation during Gustav was a thousand times better......the issue is, however, the FEDERAL response to people fucked over/trapped by the flooding due to the failure of the Corps levees

In addition, much of the 'murdering and raping' and "snipers" reported during Katrina was media senationalism and police chief / politicians hyperbole

 

[CunningStunts]

again (as usually) you need to clarify your argument.
The destruction of the hurricane was one thing (Katrina was a bitch)....but the FLOODING of NOLA (because the levees were shit) is another thing. When you mash concepts together to create a simple and sloppy argument your are disrespecting everyone involved in the discourse.

The evacuation during Gustav was a thousand times better......the issue is, however, the FEDERAL response to people fucked over/trapped by the flooding due to the failure of the Corps levees

In addition, much of the 'murdering and raping' and "snipers" reported during Katrina was media senationalism and police chief / politicians hyperbole

I only do this kind of thing for a living... but you seem to know MUCH more about it than I do, so enjoy the conversation.

 

[qiinson]

A very thought-provoking topic! :thumbsup:

That's one way of looking at it. However, we are comparing apples and oranges and this thread was created by the "centrist". There has to be a secret agenda.
:elaugh:

 

[Zolf J. Kimbly]

That's one way of looking at it. However, we are comparing apples and oranges and this thread was created by the "centrist". There has to be a secret agenda.
:elaugh:

centrist my ass!

 

[meesterperfect]

funny how some people actually take offense to this topic.
simple fucking fact: whether its a hurricane, a earthquake, or a race riot, In the United States many people go ape shit on looting sprees and not for food, not out of hunger but out of selfishness and greed combined with mob mentality.
They ain't trying to help anybody but themselves.
In other countries like Japan its just not like that or at least to an extremely less degree.

You wanna get offended? Find racism in it, ok fine.
That just shows that you know that some racial groups and cultures are more likely to do it than others.
If you want to deny that then lets also deny that Canadians like hockey more than Cambodians.

i really don't see the argument here.
like JAG said, we're talking culture not race anyway.