Who are you voting/rooting for in this years election

Who are you voting/rooting for?

  • Democrats: John Kerry/John Edwards

    Votes: 64 57.1%
  • Republicans: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney

    Votes: 35 31.3%
  • Reform Party: Ralph Nader/Peter Camejo

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Green Party: David Cobb/Pat LaMarche

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other third party canidate

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • No one

    Votes: 9 8.0%

  • Total voters
    112
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georges

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WHAT REALLY HAPPENED: CHRISTMAS IN VIETNAM

Despite the dramatic memories of his Christmas in Cambodia, Kerry's statements are complete lies. Kerry was never in Cambodia during Christmas 1968, or at all during the Vietnam War. In reality, during Christmas 1968, he was more than fifty miles away from Cambodia. Kerry was never ordered into Cambodia by anyone and would have been court-martialed had he gone there.

During Christmas 1968, Kerry was stationed at Coastal Division 13 in Cat Lo. Coastal Division 13's patrol areas extended to Sa Dec, about fifty-five miles from the Cambodian border. Areas closer than fifty-five miles to the Cambodian border in the area of the Mekong River were patrolled by PBRs, a small river patrol craft, and not by Swift Boats. Preventing border crossings was considered so important at the time that an LCU (a large, mechanized landing craft) and several PBRs were stationed to ensure that no one could cross the border. A large sign at the border prohibited entry. Tom Anderson, Commander of River Division 531, who was in charge of the PBRs, confirmed that there were no Swifts anywhere in the area and that they would have been stopped had they appeared.

All the living commanders in Kerry's chain of command-Joe Streuhli (Commander of CosDiv 13), George Elliott (Commander of CosDiv 11), Adrian Lonsdale (Captain, USCG and Commander, Coastal Surveillance Center at An Thoi), Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (Commander, Coastal Surveillance Force Vietnam, CTF 115), and Rear Admiral Art Price (Commander of River Patrol Force, CTF 116)-deny that Kerry was ever ordered to Cambodia. They indicate that Kerry would have been seriously disciplined or court-martialed had he gone there. At least three of the five crewmen on Kerry's PCF 44 boat-Bill Zaldonis, Steven Hatch, and Steve Gardner-deny that they or their boat were ever in Cambodia. The remaining two crewmen declined to be interviewed for this book. Gardner, in particular, will never forget those days in late December when he was wounded on PCF 44, not in Cambodia, but many miles away in Vietnam. The Cambodia incursion story is not included in Tour of Duty. Instead, Kerry replaces the story with a report about a mortar attack that occurred on Christmas Eve 1968 "near the Cambodia border" in a town called Sa Dec, some fifty-five miles from the Cambodian border.

Somehow, Kerry's secret illegal mission to Cambodia, which here counted on the floor of the U.S. Senate in 1986, is now a firefight at Sa Dec and a Christmas day spent back at the base writing entries in his journal.

The truth is that Kerry made up his secret mission into Cambodia. Much like Kerry's many other lies relating to supposed "war crimes" committed by the U.S. military in Vietnam, the lie about the illegal Cambodian incursion painted his superiors up the chain of command-men such as Commander Streuhli, Commander Elliott, Admiral Hoffmann, and Admiral Zumwalt, all distinguished Naval heroes and men of integrity-as villains faced down by John Kerry, a solitary hero in grave and exotic danger and forced illegally and against his will into harm's way.

The same sorts of lies were repeated over and over in Kerry's antiwar book, The New Soldier, a book filled with preposterous, false confessions of bogus war crimes committed by the participants (who were often not even real veterans) against their will and under orders from dishonest superiors. Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia typifies the sort of lie upon which Kerry has built a false persona and a political career. The story of Christmas 1968 has one final chapter. When refueling his PCF near Dong Tam, Kerry and his crew were told that the Bob Hope USO show was at the Dong Tam base. So Kerry decided to leave his station on the river and go searching for the Bob Hope Christmas show. Unable to find the show, he risked boat and crew by unknowingly blundering into one of the most dangerous canals in Vietnam, a canal that to those who knew the area was notorious for Viet Cong ambushes. Given the easy navigation by radar and map of the rivers involved-not much more difficult than driving a car-Kerry had just performed a feat of reverse navigation worthy of Wrong Way Corrigan.

There is, of course, no record that Kerry ever informed anyone of what he did, where he was, or where he was going-all required by regulations for the safety of the boat and crew. He did, however, record the Bob Hope adventure in his journal so he could be sure to share it in Tour of Duty.
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Brino

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:bs: Damaging Accounts coming from people that didn't actually serve with Kerry in Vietnam! This is an example of a bunch of people who are sore at Kerry for speaking out against the war and war crimes that were going on. None of them really served with Kerry! It's like saying "since I was in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry then I served with him" when infact they didnt serve with him they were just in Vietnam at the same time as him. Why after all these years would they come out against Kerry? Why now when he's running for president and not years ago when he was running for the senate? I'll tell you why, it's because these people have partisan motives and are supporters of president Bush. Sen. John Mcain himself has called them liars! It's absurd that republicans are trying to attack Kerry's service. Kerry actually volunteered to go to Vietnam when all of his other yuppie friends were dodging service and it's amazing that republicans are going to try and attack that when the person their supporting (Bush) actually dodged service. It's rediculous and obsurd! Shame on them! :nono::bs:
 
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georges

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Brino said:
:bs: Damaging Accounts coming from people that didn't actually serve with Kerry in Vietnam! This is an example of a bunch of people who are sore at Kerry for speaking out against the war and war crimes that were going on. None of them really served with Kerry! It's like saying "since I was in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry then I served with him" when infact they didnt serve with him they were just in Vietnam at the same time as him. Why after all these years would they come out against Kerry? Why now when he's running for president and not years ago when he was running for the senate? I'll tell you why, it's because these people have partisan motives and are supporters of president Bush. Sen. John Mcain himself has called them liars! It's absurd that republicans are trying to attack Kerry's service. Kerry actually volunteered to go to Vietnam when all of his other yuppie friends were dodging service and it's amazing that republicans are going to try and attack that when the person their supporting (Bush) actually dodged service. It's rediculous and obsurd! Shame on them! :nono::bs:

here is my source http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5662329/
it is a proof that kerry is not that brave. i will have to enclose one more proof to show who is kerry.
People who think that Kerry will provide a strong national defense piss me off. Look at his voting record:
Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-1 Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against B-2 Stealth Bomber. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-14. (H. R. 5803, CQ Vote #319: Adopted 80-17: R 37-6; D 43-11, 10/26/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-15. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-16. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against AV-8B Harrier Vertical Takeoff And Landing Jet Fighters. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against AH-64 Apache Helicopters. (H.R. 2126, CQ Vote #579: Adopted 59-39: R 48-5; D 11-34, 11/16/95, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against Patriot Missiles. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against Aegis Air Defense Cruiser. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against Trident Missile System For U.S. Submarines. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against M-1 Abrams Tanks. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against Bradley Fighting Vehicle. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against Tomahawk Cruise Missile. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-22 Raptor. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Sen. Kerry Voted Against F-35. (S. 3189, CQ Vote #273: Passed 79-16: R 37-5; D 42-11, 10/15/90, Kerry Voted Nay)
Now imagine him as the president. He would have the all out ability to veto any bill that the Senate may want to pass.
should i go further to prouve that i am right?
 
Yeah but it's not like his vote can't be vetoed. Just because he's president doesn't mean that when he passes or vetoes something that it's the way it's going to be.
 

georges

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foxycougar said:
Yeah but it's not like his vote can't be vetoed. Just because he's president doesn't mean that when he passes or vetoes something that it's the way it's going to be.

the fact is for me is that he wanted to make weaker the military force the us and for this reason he shouldn't be elected president.
he is also full of lies concerning his military carrier for that other reason he shouldn't be elected president.
 
Strange, and I who always thought that having well-trained and disciplined soldiers in your defense were more important than expensive fancy weapons... :rolleyes:
 
geoges, you couldn't be more right with the about information that you have posted. Brino, I know that it is tough to see your hero as he really is..............a phoney that will do and say anything to become President.

A least Bush put his job on the line with the fight against terrorism. You know what? It may cost him that job, but at least the guy has balls.

What a bunch of hair splitting the DNC is doing with this "serve with, serve on" Crap, none of those hacks have any idea of what it is to serve..........period. In fact, gunner's mate, third class, George Watkins, did serve as Kerry's 50 cal. gunner just behind the bridge. He played a very important role in the sinking of the sampan. He killed an innocent child as his father made a reach for an AK-47. It still haunts him.

Kerry wrote it up as a squad of VC...............our hero:eek:

The friggin phoney used to introduce himself as the next JFK from Mass. that is going to be prez. Good agenda, however the media and the ability to research has gotten much better since his ha, ha, ha, ha four months of service.

Partisan books......................you want partisan books, check out the NYTimes list every week. There is at least two or three Bush bashers out there.

This guy pisses me off so much, I think that I need to drink.


Ranger:beer: :beer: :beer:
 

georges

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Ranger said:
geoges, you couldn't be more right with the about information that you have posted. Brino, I know that it is tough to see your hero as he really is..............a phoney that will do and say anything to become President.
A least Bush put his job on the line with the fight against terrorism. You know what? It may cost him that job, but at least the guy has balls.
What a bunch of hair splitting the DNC is doing with this "serve with, serve on" Crap, none of those hacks have any idea of what it is to serve..........period. In fact, gunner's mate, third class, George Watkins, did serve as Kerry's 50 cal. gunner just behind the bridge. He played a very important role in the sinking of the sampan. He killed an innocent child as his father made a reach for an AK-47. It still haunts him.
Kerry wrote it up as a squad of VC...............our hero:eek:
The friggin phoney used to introduce himself as the next JFK from Mass. that is going to be prez. Good agenda, however the media and the ability to research has gotten much better since his ha, ha, ha, ha four months of service.
Partisan books......................you want partisan books, check out the NYTimes list every week. There is at least two or three Bush bashers out there.
This guy pisses me off so much, I think that I need to drink.
Ranger:beer: :beer: :beer:

kerry gets on my nerves and so does mr moore.4 months and 4 unmerited purple hearts:wtf:it is time to stop thinking he is so brilliant he is just a weakminded person so stop dreaming.admit that he is the worst democrat alongwith mondale and dukkakis who both failed against republicans.
 
I think I like the political debate in Sweden more. No mudslinging, only sticking to the subject. Cracking down on people just makes you look bad here.

Here you tell what you want to do, and try to tell why you want to do it. You don't go around trying to tell faults in other people's pasts. You listen to what they say, then you argument against it if you don't agree.
 
Originally posted by foxycougar
If only we were so lucky here in the United States, Starman...
It's never too late to wake up and demand change... ;)
 
To prove my point of what I mean with concentrating more on what people want to do in office, instead of concentrating too much on how their pasts look like, I have this example for you.

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It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates.

Candidate A - Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B - He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C - He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.

Which of these candidates would be your choice?

Choose first, then scroll down to my next post to see who these candidates are...
 
The candidates are...

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Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Candidate B is Winston Churchill.
Candidate C is Adolf Hitler.
 

georges

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Starman said:
To prove my point of what I mean with concentrating more on what people want to do in office, instead of concentrating too much on how their pasts look like, I have this example for you.

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It is time to elect a new world leader, and only your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates.

Candidate A - Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two Mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B - He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whiskey every evening.

Candidate C - He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and never cheated on his wife.

Which of these candidates would be your choice?

Choose first, then scroll down to my next post to see who these candidates are...

haha don't even try to pass that for the reality because it is a whole different situation in the us
1) kerry lied about his military his carrier and we have the proof tha the wanted to make weaker the us army
2) bush fights terrorism and didn't try to make the army weaker
 
Maybe Kerry wanted the money put on more important things like for example education, jobs, the homeless situation, poverty. Ever thought of that, or are you too busy playing with guns to even understand that those problems exist too? *tired sigh*

And for your information Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Adolf Hitler are real, not fictional. :tongue:
 

georges

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Starman said:
Maybe Kerry wanted the money put on more important things like for example education, jobs, the homeless situation, poverty. Ever thought of that, or are you too busy playing with guns to even understand that those problems exist too? *tired sigh*

And for your information Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Adolf Hitler are real, not fictional. :tongue:

in situation of war or risks of bombings, safety first. kerry is not concrete he fails and you don't know his program so how can you talk about something you don't know. give facts or post a link.
 
No more BUSH please!!! (at least in terms of politics)

I live 10 minutes away from manhattan ( new york city ). I have not seen as much protesters and rallies in any administration than GWB's. Almost every other week we see firemen, police losing jobs or complaining, firestations closing, Government offices closing, New York Public Libraries cutting down on hours of operation, more businesses closing than ever before etc., etc. It's sickening. I am witnessing this first hand!!!!!

I totally think GWB is a really nice guy and more charismatic than Kerry but he isn't a good leader performancewise ( I prefer performance over personality) so I am willing to give Kerry a chance to see if he can make things better. It keeps going downhill with GWB anyway, so why not Kerry?


With all due respect to Georges and other people who do not live here in the US, I am willing to trade places with him ( I go to France and He comes to the US) if GWB wins again (at least during his 2nd term). I am tired of the way GWB handles things and maybe Georges will see first hand what is like to be under GWB.


again no offense Georges, you are definetely entitled to your own opinion( I am just upset with how the current administration handles things and I never heard anything from Cheney either at least I think we are better of with Edwards) Besides, I have been gone for just a couple of weeks and Georges already has >3000 posts. 1000 posts more than when I was last around. Impressive!! hehe


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Thanks foxy miss all of ya. Been having dial-up problems this last few weeks and foxy wow >1500 posts cool:)
 
Originally posted by georges
in situation of war or risks of bombings, safety first. kerry is not concrete he fails and you don't know his program so how can you talk about something you don't know. give facts or post a link.
Now came your answer... Strange that you scream for a link now, when you are one of the most notorious here on not giving facts... As for Kerry not being concrete, how do you know? He hasn't been president yet. Clearly you didn't get my point earlier, but as I wrote earlier, you should, if you don't agree with Kerry, go find his program and then attack the things you don't agree with in that. Not shouting around about Purple Hearts here and there. It's not like I have dragged up every bad thing there are in Bush's past before he became president. I've hardly dragged up anything he's done after he became president either, but I could publish a long list of objectional things if I wished. But as I wrote earlier, I do not do mudslinging, something you accuse Michael Moore and many others of doing, but still you are very willing on posting the mudslinging of the Republicans.
 
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