Who are you voting/rooting for in this years election

Who are you voting/rooting for?

  • Democrats: John Kerry/John Edwards

    Votes: 64 57.1%
  • Republicans: George W. Bush/Dick Cheney

    Votes: 35 31.3%
  • Reform Party: Ralph Nader/Peter Camejo

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Green Party: David Cobb/Pat LaMarche

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Other third party canidate

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • No one

    Votes: 9 8.0%

  • Total voters
    112
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georges

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why are you so afraid of the republicans brino? do you hate discipline?
 

Brino

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Why do you want to know? Are you a disiplinarian? I hate Republicans because in my opinion they are selfish, hateful, warmongerers who dont care about the general public or are misguided about whats really good for the generally public! That's my belief and opinion! :2 cents:
 

georges

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yes i am a disciplinarian.i don't like when rules are disrespected.
warm mongers texans are known to be warm mongers that is true.hateful? i doubt about it.selfish?aren't the democrats selfish too?
 

Brino

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Yes they are hateful! Towards those that are not as well off as them (poor), to muslims, to gays, and those that disagree with them.

The Republicans are selfish in their policies mainly the whole give tax breaks to the rich and raise taxes on the middleclass. Clinton didnt do that and he accumulated a huge surplus Reagen, Bush Senior, and Bush Junior did do that and they created a huge deficit. Why did they do it because their selfish and were essentially giving themselves taxbreaks.
 
republican or democratic ? doesn't matter.
that's both just a demeanor, a mask. they're actually all just capitalists. and that's even worse. power corrupts !!!
 

georges

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LetoII said:
republican or democratic ? doesn't matter.
that's both just a demeanor, a mask. they're actually all just capitalists. and that's even worse. power corrupts !!!

you pointed it out very well.

regards

georges:georges:
 

Brino

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LetoII said:
republican or democratic ? doesn't matter.
that's both just a demeanor, a mask. they're actually all just capitalists. and that's even worse. power corrupts !!!

Democrats are still better. Lesser of two evils as they say. Although I dont think democrats are evil and I think some Republicans are pretty damn close to being evil.
 

georges

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Brino said:
Democrats are still better. Lesser of two evils as they say. Although I dont think democrats are evil and I think some Republicans are pretty damn close to being evil.

evil ? look at mr kerry a very weakminded person
 
be careful with the expression "evil", brino. that's a favorite word of the warmongerers that we both don't like.
"evilism" has always been mentioned when someone tried to justify a war or a crusade.
however, what i wanted to say is that before the election you definitely can tell who is republican and who's democratic.
but after the election that difference is usually gone !!!
 
1) not all the french weren't cheering the nazis but many of them were collaborators.my question is what the percentage of resistance in germany during wwII

You´re trying to create some sort of universal blanko-guilt and that´s just low. How large was the resistance against Stalin in Russia? And Franco and Mussolini? If you condemn an entire country by things that happened over 60 years ago, you´re making the world a little too easy. ESPECIALLY then you´re sitting on your butt in a free Europe, taking advantage of everything that other people have done for you and where othere people have died for. And the saddest thing of all is: you didn´t even learn a goddamn thing from all this shit.

2)so for you mr kohl is a saint?many thaught that mittereand was a saint but he was the minister of finance under vichy's regime.

It´s strange that you´re always coming up with the "saint" argument whenever someone is trying to defend sombody while you´re happily sucking GWB´s dick with every post you write in this topic and claim a right to diss whoever doesn´t fit your personal political gusto just by rumours, third class books or simply lies. And it´s even more ironical when YOU, dear george, are using words like Fanboyism.
No, Kohl is not a saint. But he´s a democratic politician who has had a great influence for today´s Europe, the fact that Germany is ONE country again and the fact that we´re all more or less able to pay with one currency in Europe. Calling him a Nazi or giving him a NS connotation based upon the fact that he was born during the NS regime is incredibly ignorant and one-sided.

3) no that was what a teacher said us a teacher from switzerland.

Maybe your teacher from Switzerland should try and read some books and learn some history before he´s spoiling his students even more then.


In the past Horst Bender who was Himmler's juridical adviser during WWII was Minster of justice after the war during the 60's-70's.
In 1972 some ss criminals like Ernst Lerch and Helmut Pohl were acquitted.
Odessa organization did you heard about it? Then you should know taht in the past it could help nazis to go where they want and do what seemed to be the less suspicious to recognize them

I`m still not sure what you´re trying to tell me there. In your opinion, all germans are potential Nazis? Handle with care, german inside? Once german, always Nazi? You haven´t even been born in NS times, neither was I. Do you really think you have any moral rights whatsoever to raise your finger and judge other people´s deeds or set up blanket accusitions about things that happened 60 years ago? All this while you´re sitting in the warmth and shelter of a ready-to-use-out-of-the-box Europe, picking your nose and surfing porn? I think not. YOu have a responsibility, just like I have one.
And instead of sitting on your high horse and complacently pointing your fingers at other countries, you should stand up and finally take up your responsibility. Because the difference between you and me is, that I´ve at least learned a thing or two of my very own history. I´ve learned to not believe all the shit that the media and especially the government is trying to sell me, to listen to as many different sides as possible and to accept the cold hard truth that you can´t separate the world into good and evil. And most important: to not blindly believe in the impeccability of our leaders and repeat their empty phrases like a parrot. Because that, dear georges, is exactly the attitude that made Hitler become what he was.

4)wiping out terrorists who build bombs in their house, isn't it a way of fighting terrorism?Calling a general a terrorist is quite ballsy from you

Yeah, all the raggies are either busy building bombs in their houses or breeding little terrorists. Oh my f*cking god.... Can I borrow your view of the world please?
Dude, Israel is destroying civil houses! Get it? Houses? Places where people live. Those guys aren´t terrorists, they don´t have anything to do with all this shit, they just want to live in peace. As much as you suck Sharons dick, it doesn´t change a damn thing: he´s not better than Arafat. Just a dirty old man who´s unable to even think about words like peace and who´s only response is violence. Makes him a great general in your history books, but doesn´t change the facts. Murder is murder, regardless how you call it.

5)in 1948 the olp didn't exist.The war of 6 days was a war against egypt mainly were egyptians lost mainly all thier airforce.
In 1973 the war of yom kippour it was against a war but against a syria who lost it. THe terrorism tah twas developped by olp was one that happened at the 1972 games of munich.Carter did a good thing about the Camp David talks that has nothing to do alongwith economics.

For the sake of love, seriously, learn some history!
Of course, the OLP didn´t exist back in 1948. But the people did, and the problems. You´re mixing up cause and effect. Founding an organization like the OLP is never the start of a crisis, it´s a symptom, one result of an ongoing crisis. Just like the northerh Ireland conflict didn´t start with founding Sinn Féin, or ETA in Spain or RAF in Germany. They never start, saying "hey, let´s make an organization and cause some trouble, could be fun".
What the hell do you think the 6 day war was fought over? Egypt being pissed about the outcome of the arab footie championship? No, Israel being established as as souvereign state right in the middle of arab respectively palestinian territory. And the territorial gains of Israel just amplified the already existing crisis. The web is filled with biassed sites of both flavours, I give you that, but eventually you´ll stumble across a more or less neutral, historically correct site, like this one for example:
here
or
here

6)not all people are for bin laden or saddam only the ones that are easy to convince and that support their ideas.
7) do you honestely think that you can fight a dictator or terrorism with wise words? i would like to see that

Maybe stop listening to your we´ve-got-everything-under-control BS? Maybe wake up and step out of your Disneyworld where everything is either good or evil? Maybe even do the unspeakable and think a bit further than your own nose?
Yes, it happens. Every day. Moderate muslims are switching sides and are contra-US. They may not even notice that they´re supporting radical islamists, or they don´t care because they might see that as the smaller of the two evils. And you know what? The western world is delivering them all the needed reasons on a plate! Martyrs, ignoring religion, pretty pictures of US soldiers abusing and humiliating arabs (they´re bad guys, so torturing them a little is allowed eh? Not a biggie! Michael Moore on the other hand... OH YEA! that´s something to be upset about.), destabilization in the entire region, cynical choice of terminology (crusade against terrorism... they couldn´t have chosen a better word, really), the western world sitting with their fingers in ther asses, watching Israel on a rampage, systematically destroying palestinian settlements, commanded by an ignorant moron. You can´t deny the facts and you can´t close your eyes forever. It´s a boomerang that´s coming back to us because the western world is acting as senstive and with as much sure instinct as an elephant.
No, wise words won´t help against terrorism. But sensless attacking won´t help either. For the first time in history, we have to use our brains if we want to solve a problem, instead of taking our clubs and beating everything into a pulp. That´s the old style. The world has become more complex in the meantime and John Wayne isn´t amongst us anymore to save our butts.
Al Quaeda and international terrorism is NOT a regional problem. They are all sitting in the US, in France, in Germany, all over the world. Trying to fight terrorism bush-style is acting like the blinded cyclops.
 
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bibo, i totally agree with you !!!
the whole issue about terrorism can't be solved by force, it only makes things even worse. we have to use our brains. and the first step would be to admit that the whole western "wealth-union" is conducting economical terrorism, too. or why do you guys think we're all living luxury ? because the rest of the world starves for our privileges.
 

georges

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bibo said:
1)You´re trying to create some sort of universal blanko-guilt and that´s just low. How large was the resistance against Stalin in Russia? And Franco and Mussolini? If you condemn an entire country by things that happened over 60 years ago, you´re making the world a little too easy. ESPECIALLY then you´re sitting on your butt in a free Europe, taking advantage of everything that other people have done for you and where othere people have died for. And the saddest thing of all is: you didn´t even learn a goddamn thing from all this shit.

2)It´s strange that you´re always coming up with the "saint" argument whenever someone is trying to defend sombody while you´re happily sucking GWB´s dick with every post you write in this topic and claim a right to diss whoever doesn´t fit your personal political gusto just by rumours, third class books or simply lies. And it´s even more ironical when YOU, dear george, are using words like Fanboyism.
No, Kohl is not a saint. But he´s a democratic politician who has had a great influence for today´s Europe, the fact that Germany is ONE country again and the fact that we´re all more or less able to pay with one currency in Europe. Calling him a Nazi or giving him a NS connotation based upon the fact that he was born during the NS regime is incredibly ignorant and one-sided.

3)Maybe your teacher from Switzerland should try and read some books and learn some history before he´s spoiling his students even more then.

4)I`m still not sure what you´re trying to tell me there. In your opinion, all germans are potential Nazis? Handle with care, german inside? Once german, always Nazi? You haven´t even been born in NS times, neither was I. Do you really think you have any moral rights whatsoever to raise your finger and judge other people´s deeds or set up blanket accusitions about things that happened 60 years ago? All this while you´re sitting in the warmth and shelter of a ready-to-use-out-of-the-box Europe, picking your nose and surfing porn? I think not. YOu have a responsibility, just like I have one.
And instead of sitting on your high horse and complacently pointing your fingers at other countries, you should stand up and finally take up your responsibility Because the difference between you and me is, that I´ve at least learned a
thing or two of my very own history. I´ve learned to not believe all the shit that the media and especially the overnment is trying to sell me, to listen to as many different sides as possible and to accept the cold hard truth that you can´t separate the world into good and evil. And most important: to not blindly believe in the impeccability of our leaders and repeat their empty phrases like a parrot. Because that, dear georges, is exactly the attitude that made Hitler become what he was.

5)Yeah, all the raggies are either busy building bombs in their houses or breeding little terrorists. Oh my f*cking god.... Can I borrow your view of the world please?
Dude, Israel is destroying civil houses! Get it? Houses? Places where people live. Those guys aren´t terrorists, they don´t have anything to do with all this shit, they just want to live in peace. As much as you suck Sharons dick, it doesn´t change a damn thing: he´s not better than Arafat. Just a dirty old man who´s unable to even think about words like peace and who´s only response is violence. Makes him a great general in your history books, but doesn´t change the facts. Murder is murder, regardless how you call it.

6)For the sake of love, seriously, learn some history!
Of course, the OLP didn´t exist back in 1948. But the people did, and the problems. You´re mixing up cause and effect. Founding an organization like the OLP is never the start of a crisis, it´s a symptom, one result of an ongoing crisis. Just like the northerh Ireland conflict didn´t start with founding Sinn Féin, or ETA in Spain or RAF in Germany. They never start, saying "hey, let´s make an organization and cause some trouble, could be fun".
What the hell do you think the 6 day war was fought over? Egypt being pissed about the outcome of the arab footie championship? No, Israel being established as as souvereign state right in the middle of arab respectively palestinian territory. And the territorial gains of Israel just amplified the already existing crisis. The web is filled with biassed sites of both flavours, I give you that, but eventually you´ll stumble across a more or less neutral, historically correct site, like this one for example:
here
or
here



7)Maybe stop listening to your we´ve-got-everything-under-control BS? Maybe wake up and step out of your Disneyworld where everything is either good or evil? Maybe even do the unspeakable and think a bit further than your own nose?
Yes, it happens. Every day. Moderate muslims are switching sides and are contra-US. They may not even notice that they´re supporting radical islamists, or they don´t care because they might see that as the smaller of the two evils. And you know what? The western world is delivering them all the needed reasons on a plate! Martyrs, ignoring religion, pretty pictures of US soldiers abusing and humiliating arabs (they´re bad guys, so torturing them a little is allowed eh? Not a biggie! Michael Moore on the other hand... OH YEA! that´s something to be upset about.), destabilization in the entire region, cynical choice of terminology (crusade against terrorism... they couldn´t have chosen a better word, really), the western world sitting with their fingers in ther asses, watching Israel on a rampage, systematically destroying palestinian settlements, commanded by an ignorant moron. You can´t deny the facts and you can´t close your eyes forever. It´s a boomerang that´s coming back to us because the western world is acting as senstive and with as much sure instinct as an elephant.
No, wise words won´t help against terrorism. But sensless attacking won´t help either. For the first time in history, we have to use our brains if we want to solve a problem, instead of taking our clubs and beating everything into a pulp. That´s the old style. The world has become more complex in the meantime and John Wayne isn´t amongst us anymore to save our butts.
Al Quaeda and international terrorism is NOT a regional problem. They are all sitting in the US, in France, in Germany, all over the world. Trying to fight terrorism bush-style is acting like the blinded cyclops.

1) You are more than totally wrong Bibo because lost people in my family so how wouldn't i learn something from this shit.
Hitler occupied countriues and so did Stalin. I never condemned which is completely false some people faught the nazis during wwII for this free europe so how can you tell about something you don't know.

2) calm down and stop babling cr@p on my case. rumors i posted
stay polite and on't insult me ok because i don't insult you clear.
an important link about mr kerry but you preferred to ignore it
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405041626.asp so next time have a look at what i post before shouting.Lies? haha doesn't michael moore lie with his propaganda?
third class books no . did you read a book written by mr wiesenthal called justice is not revenge. do you have documentary books on wwII with the explanation of all the different armies of the countries involved in the conflict? so don't tell what you don't know. i have these books at home.

3)ok

4)no i never said that so don't put words in my mouth.no i haven't the right to raise other people´s deeds or set up blanket accusitions about things that happened 60 years ago.But don't don't tell me what happened 60 years ago can be forgotten :nono: forgiven yes but with a lot difficulty.
Dear Bibo i am taking my responsabilities also i would like to point out that i don't belive the french media i check several sources as possible newspapers and radio but you will hardly find the truth because all is manipulated by governments.I never believed in the impeccability of our leaders and i never repeated their empty phrases like a parrot.I never said so please don't put word s in my mouth. I never liked mr chirac and his way of governing, same was for mitterand, giscard and pompidou. I have rarely seen good politicians.I never believe in their talks.However in politics you always have a preference for a party

5) he was great general during the war of 6 days and yom kippour it is for that he is respected maybe you have forgotten taht and stop saying that i suck someone's dick from now on ok? hope i am clear. i didn't insult you as far as i know so you didn't have to insult me. if you can't speak politely by exchanging opinions then it shows your agressivity and your lack of education. Aren't the kamikaze murderers?

6)thanks for the website i had a look that was informative

7) i don't watch tv because it is full of bs controlled media i am very selective about the newspapers i read the european, newsweek, the washington post, the la herald tribune, etc.
About terrorists they have connections everywhere so the best way to fight them is to chase their family or connections, it is not simple to do but one of the best means to fight terrorism.
 
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sorry, georges, but i don't think michael moore is spreading lies. what profit would he have by doing so ? he's not a politician and hence has nothing to gain by false propaganda. i seriously believe that he's a very concerned citizen who doesn't like what's going on in his country.
 

Brino

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LetoII said:
be careful with the expression "evil", brino. that's a favorite word of the warmongerers that we both don't like.
"evilism" has always been mentioned when someone tried to justify a war or a crusade.
however, what i wanted to say is that before the election you definitely can tell who is republican and who's democratic.
but after the election that difference is usually gone !!!

I was being careful! I didnt call them evil I said they were pretty damn close to being evil. But maybe evil is to strong a word maybe I should just stick with hateful!
 

georges

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LetoII said:
sorry, georges, but i don't think michael moore is spreading lies. what profit would he have by doing so ? he's not a politician and hence has nothing to gain by false propaganda. i seriously believe that he's a very concerned citizen who doesn't like what's going on in his country.

well michael moore methods for making films are more than questionable. i am not the one who say it.
there is a thread about michael moore is in the freeones talk. read it carefully and you will see what people think of him democrats as well as republicans
 
Brino said:
I was being careful! I didnt call them evil I said they were pretty damn close to being evil. But maybe evil is to strong a word maybe I should just stick with hateful!

i know how you meant it, brino, and i didn't mean to offend you. it's just that this expression is pretty much in vogue since 9/11 and i recommend to use it very carefully.....or better not at all.
 

georges

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LetoII said:
i know how you meant it, brino, and i didn't mean to offend you. it's just that this expression is pretty much in vogue since 9/11 and i recommend to use it very carefully.....or better not at all.

i agree with you. the term evil is a dangerous word
 
now we had a lot of political discussions on this board, lately. almost made me forget why i came here: PORN and BABES :D . i think i'll chose dayton rains today,he,he. let's see if i can find some new stuff.
have a nice day, guys (whether republican or democrat, we're all jerking off;) )
 
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