was 911 an inside job?

[Friday on my mind]

I don't want us to do anything just because the rest of the world does (with certain, obvious exceptions). It certainly has toned down to where it is more like trying to curtail crime, but sorry- when we use aircraft carriers, tanks, fighter planes, and infantry- it's a war.

And these terrorists pose no threat like those you mentioned now. On Sept. 10, they posed a mighty big threat. Since we scattered the Taliban and Al Qaeda to the mountains along the border of Pakistan, they haven't really, effectively done any damage to the US. We keep hearing about how they are "making a comeback", but I certainly haven't read, seen, or heard anything from my many friends serving over there to indicate that.

But I'd agree with you that certainly, there is no threat on a major scale from them now. But then... doesn't that mean we're doing well?

Well we just disagree.IMO they were never a major threat like prior wars had been.They lacked the miltary assests ect.Cause you can hijack some planes and cause havoc for a day isn't on the same scale as a war against a country with a susbstatiantial military.I see no evidence what we have done is making us safer and that it is a smart strategy.I can't remember when the use of our miltary really resolvesda nything in our favor ultmately since WW2 except when we used it in very limited ways like we did in the 1st gulf war.The days of using military force as a tool of international dispute resolution are over IMO.There really is only a diplomatic solution to the problem of our being safe or not IMO.

 

[Nooge]

He lied in the state of the union when he talked about Iraq getting yellow cake from Niger and the CIA had told him they did not have any evidence of that but he went and said it anyway.He lied about Valerie Plame and his knowledge of that.Go read Scott McClellans (his former spokeman) new book ,it goes over lots of lies.
What Lincoln faced and Bush faced as dangers to the country are light years apart in severity.Bush clearly violated our rights when he allowed warrantless wiretaps is just one violation.I don't see any real point in pointing out others as you obviously are going to be supportive of him and the invasion no matter what evidence is presented that is contrary to that viewpoint.Bush does have some supporters left I know ,just not many.

I'll say again ... he didn't lie.

If he lied ... why don't you show your EVIDENCE to the Democratic Leadership in Congress? They control Congress you know. They aren't "fans" of President Bush you know. If they had ANY ... repeat ANY credible evidence that Bush lied or violated the constitution - it would be their duty to bring impeachment charges against him. They haven't done it. A couple of whackjob leftists (like Kusinichski) have filed to have Bush impeached - but the Democratic Leadership won't back it.

Means NO EVIDENCE.

Means - you can say he lied ... you can say he violated the constitution - but it's YOUR opinion and about half us out here have one that's counter to yours.

Like I said - I WISH BUSH had violated the constitution. I'm all for holding a blow torch to the testicles of terrorists who behead those with different religious beliefs and kill little children in the name of "jihad". But Bush doesn't have the balls to do that. To bad ... I volunteer to hold the blow torch for him.

 

[Nooge]

Also ... I find it incredible that people hate Bush more than the terrorists he's been defeating. Of course ... If Osama ever succeeded in establishing his worldwide caliphate - you people arguing for terrorist rights would be the FIRST people he beheaded.

Your hatred for Bush blinds you to reality.

 

[bodie54]

Inarguably ... he has prevented another attack on United States territory. There has not been another 9-11 (that will come when Obama is President because cookies and milk don't work as a negotiation tool - only overwhelming force does when you're dealing with Islamo-fascists)

I think it's an overly simplistic mistake to assume that because we haven't (as yet) been attacked again we have Bush to thank for that. It presumes, in part, that terrorists are stupid; stupid enough to be drawn to our troops in Iraq like moths to a flame while foregoing the planning of other actions in other theaters. On the contrary these people are anything but ignorant. They understand the psychology of their adversaries, and they've advantaged themselves very well on that count. Plus, 9/11 would have been a wake up call for ANY sitting president, not just Bush, in terms of ratcheting up various elements of domestic security. Further, a 9/11-like attack takes time to plan, coordinate, and execute. Lastly, what need has there been for Bin Laden et al to stage another attack when they've gotten so much mileage out of Bush impotently chasing his tail over the last one?

What Lincoln faced and Bush faced as dangers to the country are light years apart in severity

I'd pretty much agree with that.

IMO they were never a major threat like prior wars had been.They lacked the miltary assests ect.Cause you can hijack some planes and cause havoc for a day isn't on the same scale as a war against a country with a susbstatiantial military

Another very solid point, imo.

 

[Friday on my mind]

I'll say again ... he didn't lie.

If he lied ... why don't you show your EVIDENCE to the Democratic Leadership in Congress? They control Congress you know. They aren't "fans" of President Bush you know. If they had ANY ... repeat ANY credible evidence that Bush lied or violated the constitution - it would be their duty to bring impeachment charges against him. They haven't done it. A couple of whackjob leftists (like Kusinichski) have filed to have Bush impeached - but the Democratic Leadership won't back it.

Means NO EVIDENCE.

Means - you can say he lied ... you can say he violated the constitution - but it's YOUR opinion and about half us out here have one that's counter to yours.

Like I said - I WISH BUSH had violated the constitution. I'm all for holding a blow torch to the testicles of terrorists who behead those with different religious beliefs and kill little children in the name of "jihad". But Bush doesn't have the balls to do that. To bad ... I volunteer to hold the blow torch for him.

No not 1/2 share your opinion it's more like 23% still support him.And the evidence he lied and could easily be impeached is overwhelming IMO.The reason dems won't do it is they know the country does not want that experience again which they went through with Nixon coming close to impeachment and Clinton's attempted impeachment.Impeachment is a political decision/process not a legal one.Like I said you are firmly a Bush supporter ,a hard thing to find these days, even McCain says bad stuff about Bush.:rofl:

 

[Nooge]

I think it's an overly simplistic mistake to assume that because we haven't (as yet) been attacked again we have Bush to thank for that. It presumes, in part, that terrorists are stupid; stupid enough to be drawn to our troops in Iraq like moths to a flame while foregoing the planning of other actions in other theaters. On the contrary these people are anything but ignorant. They understand the psychology of their adversaries, and they've advantaged themselves very well on that count. Plus, 9/11 would have been a wake up call for ANY sitting president, not just Bush, in terms of ratcheting up various elements of domestic security. Further, a 9/11-like attack takes time to plan, coordinate, and execute. Lastly, what need has there been for Bin Laden et al to stage another attack when they've gotten so much mileage out of Bush impotently chasing his tail over the last one?

Well ... what measure do you want to use to define whether we're safe or not? You might want to use your judgment ... but I don't know you and I like metrics and ZERO ATTACKS is a number I like. And that's been since 9-11 with President Bush at the helm.

As far as Bush "impotently chasing his tail" ... you are ignoring the fact that Al Qada in Iraq is defeated. And Al Qada worldwide is all but defeated. Every expert agrees on this except liberal terrorist apologists. This war is not over ... it's still a long way from over - but America and it's allies are winning this war hands down because we've had a President who refused to put his finger into the political wind and flip-flop with public opinion on the issue.

EDIT: We can all cheer for the fact that Al Qaeda in Iraq is being defeated correct? I mean ... you're happy that they're being defeated no? If not ... and you want them to win - please say so.

 

[Nooge]

The reason dems won't do it is they know the country does not want that experience again which they went through with Nixon coming close to impeachment and Clinton's attempted impeachment.

You are seriously deluding yourself if you think "by grace of heart" the Democrats would give Bush a pass on lying and violating the constitution. I mean seriously - you really believe that.

If the Democrats had ANYTHING ... repeat ANYTHING on Bush ... they'd crucify him in a heartbeat. The fact that they don't PROVES they have no evidence. I mean - we can debate a lot of things ... but that fact is not debatable. If the Dem's could impeach ... they would ... nuff said.

And yes I do like Bush. He told us the day after the 9-11 attacks "This will be the focus of my Presidency". He has never wavered. Oh ... he's made mistakes ... but people make those. But he has recovered. And the war in Iraq is being won ... let's celebrate this fact. After the Democrats pronounced it' "LOST" ... after the press refused to acknowledge the progress ... it's being ... and WILL BE won.

I dare say that, at this rate of progress in Iraq, the new President will have no issue to address there except remove our troops in an orderly manner leaving behind a Iraqi democracy capable of standing on it's own. All thanks to President Bush.

Yeah ... I like him.

By the way - I'm a former GI ... did two tours in Iraq ... so I know what's happening there.

EDIT: Are you happy about winning the war in Iraq? I like to hear someone on the anti-Bush side answer that question.

 

[Jason z]

yea even the most hardcore conservatives are turning against dubya.. Even if he didnt lie about the war he has still continued to destroy our economy and you never replyed to the statement I made about the fiza bill?? For you to even compare lincoln with bush is just straight up absurd.

 

[Nooge]

yea even the most hardcore conservatives are turning against dubya.. Even if he didnt lie about the war he has still continued to destroy our economy and you never replyed to the statement I made about the fiza bill?? For you to even compare lincoln with bush is just straight up absurd.

It's FISA.

And destroy our economy? Were you alive during the Carter years? This is a GREAT economy and the fact that's continuously "talked down" so that people believe it's bad is just sad. That people are such sheep and actually BELIEVE that crap is even sadder. This is a great economy. Low Inflation, Low Unemployment.

But this is why I endorse Obama for president. The American people are a bunch of "whiners" with their hands out. Honestly ... most Americans don't know what "bad times" are. I have been around the world - I've seen poverty and bad conditions. They ain't here.

But Obama will bring them here. And that is just what the Doctor ordered for the American people. I want to see this guy elected ... and I want to see all the leftists in this country completely melt into tears when they see their dream messiah crumble before their eyes! It will be priceless - and it will pave the way for a new Conservative movement (which is seriously in need of leadership now by the way).

Why do you think that Clinton wants McCain to win? It's because he knows if Obama gets elected - he'll wreak so much havoc that no Democrat (not even Hillary) will get elected again for a generation! Hillary needs her shot - and that is why Bill is a McCain man.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Inflation low,looked at food and gas prices lately? Unemployment numbers that just came out are the worst in 6 years,and those bad numbers then were right after 9/11 so its pretty bleak right now as far that goes.
And here I did a quick google and found numerous sites that go over in detail what would be just too timely and tedious to list here.Bushes numerous and very serious lies and deceptions .Here are just a few of the sites ,not that they will convince you but just so anyone who is unaware that is somewhat open minded can see the real story.
http://www.bushlies.net/
http://bushwatch.org/bushlies.htm
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/?gclid=CND-2-Su_5QCFQJtFQodwzO6qg


The invasion of Iraq was the biggest US mistake made in the last 50 years. And has damaged our standing in the world tremendously.They all know it was unjustified.You think we are accomplishing something there, well yeah so do I.Generations and masses of people who will hate and despise us.But were safer,RIGHT!:eek:


PS; And I have said many times here ,that whoever is the next president they will face severe challenges on many fronts and that it may almost be impossible for anyone to look good trying to dealing with them.Image in world will take long time to repair,economy surely headed for a bad place with the massive deficit we have taken on under Bush along with the energy cost problem which is going nowhere in the near future.And on Irzq and how well were doing do you really think anything is resolved there? The current govt is nothing but one we installed and has little leigitamcy.The Iraqis still need to figure out for themselves what is next for them AFTER we leave ,if they can ever get us out.If and when that happens it will be probably bloody and I think the lasting thing we will get is they do not look upon us kindly even more so then they did in the past.

 

[L3ggy]

For pete's Sake!

 

[Nester6]

do you guys think 911 was an inside job

Absurd idea!

 

[calpoon]

Well ... what measure do you want to use to define whether we're safe or not? You might want to use your judgment ... but I don't know you and I like metrics and ZERO ATTACKS is a number I like. And that's been since 9-11 with President Bush at the helm.

Out of the 43 US Presidents that have held office, five of them had incidents of terror attacks against US citizens by Islamic groups that occurred during their administration.

one of them was Bush. So I'd say that makes him one of the least safe presidents of all time, compared to the other 38 presidents that really had zero attacks.

I don't know how many terrorists there were during the days of George Washington, but there was certainly a lot of Muslims, the religion having been around for several hundreds years before. So since we seem to be under the impression that the religion preaches terrorist action, I think it's a fair comparison.

PS. In case you are wondering, the others are Ford (R), Carter (D), Reagan (R) and Clinton (D).

 

[carl72]

yup. Pretty common knowledge in every country outside of the United States. Fire up your internet and read some mainstream overseas newspapers and you'll see a whole new way of looking at things.

Really what this is all about is people will only go so far until it troubles them and threatens the warm comforter they hold on to as truths. Information is out there gang, go do your homework.

That effort is the cost of being and remaining free.

 

[Friday on my mind]

I want to ask someone who thinks it was an inside job a question.And remember I think this is worst administration and President in at least the last 100 years.
1. How many and who exactly was in on it?

Because if you are saying it was a vast conspiracy with people putting charges at world trade center bldgs or that it really wasn't planes that crashed in some cases like the pentagon and was a rocket or something I think that is just beyond ridiculous to think possible.Do you know how many people that would involve? Nothing is really secret anymore for very long,thats how we know about all Bush's crap,people leak it,which is good or we would have never known his crimes.And the US govt being directly involved with 9/11 would be impossible to keep from coming out, meaning people involved telling about it.Everybody involved would be hawking their story for millions and writing books and there is simply none of that to date.
Now you wanna talk about Bush ignoring warnings couple months before 9/11 that planes might be used as weapons by AL Queda and saying he might be negligent on that score, thats reasonable .But was able to mount a vast US conspiracy to do all that is not in the realm of possibility.Just think about it,if you were someone involved there would be a trail you could present proving it, because it was true, follow me? Now that story would be worth what? 10 Million,20 million,100 million? Heck if I know,but I know it would be worth a lot and the 1st person with that story would get the most ,so the rush to get it sold would be on.So bottom line is Bush is still a stupid, on a mission from god, listens to war mongering neo-cons criminal but you can't pin this rap on him.

 

[Jason z]

I want to ask someone who thinks it was an inside job a question.And remember I think this is worst administration and President in at least the last 100 years.
1. How many and who exactly was in on it?

Because if you are saying it was a vast conspiracy with people putting charges at world trade center bldgs or that it really wasn't planes that crashed in some cases like the pentagon and was a rocket or something I think that is just beyond ridiculous to think possible.Do you know how many people that would involve? Nothing is really secret anymore for very long,thats how we know about all Bush's crap,people leak it,which is good or we would have never known his crimes.And the US govt being directly involved with 9/11 would be impossible to keep from coming out, meaning people involved telling about it.Everybody involved would be hawking their story for millions and writing books and there is simply none of that to date.
Now you wanna talk about Bush ignoring warnings couple months before 9/11 that planes might be used as weapons by AL Queda and saying he might be negligent on that score, thats reasonable .But was able to mount a vast US conspiracy to do all that is not in the realm of possibility.Just think about it,if you were someone involved there would be a trail you could present proving it, because it was true, follow me? Now that story would be worth what? 10 Million,20 million,100 million? Heck if I know,but I know it would be worth a lot and the 1st person with that story would get the most ,so the rush to get it sold would be on.So bottom line is Bush is still a stupid, on a mission from god, listens to war mongering neo-cons criminal but you can't pin this rap on him.

Yea like u fucking know what bad times are.. Just shut the fuck up man. If u wanna know bad times just look at the Great depression the reason why we had the great depression was because because stupid shit fucks like u caused monopolies. You dont fucking know what hard times are like. If it wasnt for the democrats we would be in a fucking depression.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Yea like u fucking know what bad times are.. Just shut the fuck up man. If u wanna know bad times just look at the Great depression the reason why we had the great depression was because because stupid shit fucks like u caused monopolies. You dont fucking know what hard times are like. If it wasnt for the democrats we would be in a fucking depression.

That has what to do with my post?????? You drunk or something?:glugglug::1orglaugh

 

[YMIHERE]

That has what to do with my post?????? You drunk or something?:glugglug::1orglaugh

I read all posts and I have no idea what he talking about. He must have gotten some really good intoxicants and took them all. :dunno:

 

[Marlo Manson]

That has what to do with my post?????? You drunk or something?

It's FISA.
But this is why I endorse Obama for president. The American people are a bunch of "whiners" with their hands out. Honestly ... most Americans don't know what "bad times" are. I have been around the world - I've seen poverty and bad conditions. They ain't here.
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I want to ask someone who thinks it was an inside job a question.And remember I think this is worst administration and President in at least the last 100 years.
1. How many and who exactly was in on it?

Because if you are saying it was a vast conspiracy with people putting charges at world trade center bldgs or that it really wasn't planes that crashed in some cases like the pentagon and was a rocket or something I think that is just beyond ridiculous to think possible.Do you know how many people that would involve? Nothing is really secret anymore for very long,thats how we know about all Bush's crap,people leak it,which is good or we would have never known his crimes.And the US govt being directly involved with 9/11 would be impossible to keep from coming out, meaning people involved telling about it.Everybody involved would be hawking their story for millions and writing books and there is simply none of that to date.
Now you wanna talk about Bush ignoring warnings couple months before 9/11 that planes might be used as weapons by AL Queda and saying he might be negligent on that score, thats reasonable .But was able to mount a vast US conspiracy to do all that is not in the realm of possibility.Just think about it,if you were someone involved there would be a trail you could present proving it, because it was true, follow me? Now that story would be worth what? 10 Million,20 million,100 million? Heck if I know,but I know it would be worth a lot and the 1st person with that story would get the most ,so the rush to get it sold would be on.So bottom line is Bush is still a stupid, on a mission from god, listens to war mongering neo-cons criminal but you can't pin this rap on him.

Yea like u fucking know what bad times are.. Just shut the fuck up man. If u wanna know bad times just look at the Great depression the reason why we had the great depression was because because stupid shit fucks like u caused monopolies. You dont fucking know what hard times are like. If it wasnt for the democrats we would be in a fucking depression.

I read all posts and I have no idea what he talking about. He must have gotten some really good intoxicants and took them all. :dunno:

Everybody relax I think jason z quoted the wrong post by accident!! I think he meant to quote message # 130 where noogle posted this "But this is why I endorse Obama for president. The American people are a bunch of "whiners" with their hands out. Honestly ... most Americans don't know what "bad times" are. I have been around the world - I've seen poverty and bad conditions. They ain't here." and he mistakenly quoted you friday!! thats the only logical explanation I could see!! jason z did you quote the wrong message?? if you didn't, I don't understand what friday said was wrong??

Friday I can't prove that fucktard bush or his admin. is directly involved in 9/11 but I have doubts about the pentagon being hit by a plane!! that video or evidence looks very tampered!! jet liner 3, 4, 5, 600 miles/hr at that altitude and no visible evidence of jet liner debris @ pentagon attack, same with lack of jet liner evidence in pennsylvania??

not saying nor can I prove or anybody else for that matter prove fuckwad had anything to do with 9/11 but he is in cahoots with the crowned prince of Saudi Arabia and I am highly concerned/interested to know what those 2 parlay about??? your right, bush didn't plan 9/11 but he sure as hell SHOULD HAVE KNOWN something was gonna happen!! who knows if he knew the date and method?? maybe he was banking on AIRPORT SECURITY?? BUSH IS THAT STUPID!! well other than that I pretty much agree with all that you have said so far!! :bowdown: :hatsoff:

 

[Friday on my mind]

Everybody relax I think jason z quoted the wrong post by accident!! I think he meant to quote message # 130 where noogle posted this "But this is why I endorse Obama for president. The American people are a bunch of "whiners" with their hands out. Honestly ... most Americans don't know what "bad times" are. I have been around the world - I've seen poverty and bad conditions. They ain't here." and he mistakenly quoted you friday!! thats the only logical explanation I could see!! jason z did you quote the wrong message?? if you didn't, I don't understand what friday said was wrong??

Friday I can't prove that fucktard bush or his admin. is directly involved in 9/11 but I have doubts about the pentagon being hit by a plane!! that video or evidence looks very tampered!! jet liner 3, 4, 5, 600 miles/hr at that altitude and no visible evidence of jet liner debris @ pentagon attack, same with lack of jet liner evidence in pennsylvania??

not saying nor can I prove or anybody else for that matter prove fuckwad had anything to do with 9/11 but he is in cahoots with the crowned prince of Saudi Arabia and I am highly concerned/interested to know what those 2 parlay about??? your right, bush didn't plan 9/11 but he sure as hell SHOULD HAVE KNOWN something was gonna happen!! who knows if he knew the date and method?? maybe he was banking on AIRPORT SECURITY?? BUSH IS THAT STUPID!! well other than that I pretty much agree with all that you have said so far!! :bowdown: :hatsoff:

Im sure your right about the clicking wrong post for the quote,but he still might have done that from being under the influence.:beer: