was 911 an inside job?

[neighborboy]

Everybody relax I think jason z quoted the wrong post by accident!! I think he meant to quote message # 130 where noogle posted this "But this is why I endorse Obama for president. The American people are a bunch of "whiners" with their hands out. Honestly ... most Americans don't know what "bad times" are. I have been around the world - I've seen poverty and bad conditions. They ain't here." and he mistakenly quoted you friday!! thats the only logical explanation I could see!! jason z did you quote the wrong message?? if you didn't, I don't understand what friday said was wrong??

Friday I can't prove that fucktard bush or his admin. is directly involved in 9/11 but I have doubts about the pentagon being hit by a plane!! that video or evidence looks very tampered!! jet liner 3, 4, 5, 600 miles/hr at that altitude and no visible evidence of jet liner debris @ pentagon attack, same with lack of jet liner evidence in pennsylvania??

not saying nor can I prove or anybody else for that matter prove fuckwad had anything to do with 9/11 but he is in cahoots with the crowned prince of Saudi Arabia and I am highly concerned/interested to know what those 2 parlay about??? your right, bush didn't plan 9/11 but he sure as hell SHOULD HAVE KNOWN something was gonna happen!! who knows if he knew the date and method?? maybe he was banking on AIRPORT SECURITY?? BUSH IS THAT STUPID!! well other than that I pretty much agree with all that you have said so far!! :bowdown: :hatsoff:

Claims about there being no debris at the Pentagon are just plain false. There's nothing else to say about it. Here's what the "liars" over at Wikipedia have to say.

Various pieces of aircraft debris were found within the wreckage at the Pentagon. While evacuating the Navy Command Center, Lt. Kevin Shaeffer came across the aircraft's nose cone and landing gear in the service road between rings B and C. Early in the morning on Friday, September 14, Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue Team members and Brian Moravitz came across an "intact seat from the plane's cockpit", and then discovered the two black boxes nearby. The flight data recorder was found nearly 300 feet (91 m) into the building. The cockpit voice recorder was too badly damaged and burned to retrieve any information. In addition to aircraft debris, investigators also found a part of Nawaf al-Hazmi's identification card. Personal effects belonging to passengers and office workers were also found, and taken to Fort Myer.

Of course, if you are a conspiracy theorist, all that evidence was planted, along with all the DNA evidence of the people who died.

 

[Marlo Manson]

Claims about there being no debris at the Pentagon are just plain false. There's nothing else to say about it. Here's what the "liars" over at Wikipedia have to say.



Of course, if you are a conspiracy theorist, all that evidence was planted, along with all the DNA evidence of the people who died.

LMFAO!!! My bad thanx for the proof!! thats good enough for me, that all I wanted to know about.. I am not retarded I know 9/11 was NOT a DIRECT fix but allot of it still smells FISHY!! and I am not naive enough to believe in PLANTED evidence, evidence tampering and DNA evidence being compromised, planted or not being credible, & I AM NOT accusing anybody of LYING!! I don't believe everything I hear, read, or see!! what you see could actually be decieving and trickery!!

I sift through the and collect the lies from the truth, just like a good little conspiracy theorist or invetigator, or for that matter somebody CRITICAL of everything that is associated with FUCKTARD BUSH and his AMINISTRATION!! their a bunch of RETARD(s) who have there own agenda or shall I call it what it looks most like?? A "DICTATORSHIP" is the closest I can describe it as of right now!!!

so I stand to be corrected!! I am man enough to MAN UP to my mistakes, mentally, knowledge wise, or incident wise!! I am not affraid of being corrected!!! I learn from my mistakes and move on!!! thanx for planting this before my own eye's/sights now I believe everything you said!! :rofl2: I am a conspiracy theorist by facts and evidence and unanswered questions that beg for a logical or satisfactory excuse or explanation if you will!!

YOU didn't have to paint me like that?? I am merely suggesting holes and questions that I find suspicious!! if your a bush supporter I apologize but he's a FUCKTARD and if anybody puts anything past him they need a lobotomy!! I am capable of comprehending legitimate explanations and proof of insurance << joking!! proof of innocence.. and logical, sustainable, legitimate proof/evidence declaring what really happened and who's responsible / involved!!! you see I like to ramble cuz when I get on a roll, I feel like I am speaking for a world wide audience!! lol.. BUSH IS AS CROOKED/ROTTEN and CRIMINAL as most of us think he is.. just ask the rest of the world!!

 

[Supafly]

I do not think it was an inside job. But the agencies were holding information about a big attack of some sort and the government did not take the necessary steps.

So it could mean they let it happen because they wanted it to.

But the whole biz is so messed up and complicated, I don't know what to think

 

[Drederick Tatum]

No not 1/2 share your opinion it's more like 23% still support him.And the evidence he lied and could easily be impeached is overwhelming IMO.The reason dems won't do it is they know the country does not want that experience again which they went through with Nixon coming close to impeachment and Clinton's attempted impeachment.Impeachment is a political decision/process not a legal one.Like I said you are firmly a Bush supporter ,a hard thing to find these days, even McCain says bad stuff about Bush.:rofl:

The reason why is they never found any evidence of an outright lie.

Bush never committed a crime. Clinton was impeached not for "getting a blow job" but for perjury (a crime) witness tampering (a crime) and obstruction of justice (also, a crime).

If the Democrats had one shred of proof Bush committed a crime they'd have pounced on impeachment. Don't fool yourself.

 

[Drederick Tatum]

I do not think it was an inside job. But the agencies were holding information about a big attack of some sort and the government did not take the necessary steps.

So it could mean they let it happen because they wanted it to.

But the whole biz is so messed up and complicated, I don't know what to think

They didn't let it happen.

For Crissakes, we got caught with our eye off the ball. It's as simple as that.

10 years previous to 9/11 the US governement had no way of dealing with Islamic JiHadists. They treated every attack as a criminal act not an act of war until 9/11 happened and woke them up. They didn't let it happen.

 

[GOLDENFLASHES]

Hey IDK but the gov. could of done it without us knowing. Most americas are idiots and will believe anything the media and news says. I think the media are a holes they brainwash us and we believe it so I say maybe the gov. did. We go to war with a country and win we would usually get money if we win and what a good way to go to war blame it on someone else.

 

[Drederick Tatum]

Hey IDK but the gov. could of done it without us knowing. Most americas are idiots and will believe anything the media and news says. I think the media are a holes they brainwash us and we believe it so I say maybe the gov. did. We go to war with a country and win we would usually get money if we win and what a good way to go to war blame it on someone else.

Stupidest post ever.

 

[Friday on my mind]

The reason why is they never found any evidence of an outright lie.

Bush never committed a crime. Clinton was impeached not for "getting a blow job" but for perjury (a crime) witness tampering (a crime) and obstruction of justice (also, a crime).

If the Democrats had one shred of proof Bush committed a crime they'd have pounced on impeachment. Don't fool yourself.

Yeah ok if you say so lol.We will see how history treats each and the time they were presidents and who did what for and against this country and who violated more serious laws and the constitution.Bush easily the biggest flaunter of the constituion that I have ever lived through and I lived through Nixon.What his administration did with all domestic spying was like nothing seen before.His administration was just full of inept,corrupt idealogues everywhere you look.Rumsfeld,Gonzalez,Libby,Cheney,etc..He knew about the outing of Valerie Plame(told his spokeman Scott McClellan he did).If that was a democrate the right wing would call him a traitor for outing a CIA operative,but you guys think its a crime less than lying about a blow job or not even a crime at all.
Remember most republicans now say the impeachment of Bill Clinton ended up hurting them more than anybody else.People were upset that congress was doing that instead of what most felt they should be doing like working on bills and the country's affairs.
What Clinton did was minor stuff to compared to basic violations of privacy and the constitution that this administration had already been proven to have committed.And history will judge it that way I bet as well.

 

[Drederick Tatum]

Yeah ok if you say so lol.We will see how history treats each and the time they were presidents and who did what for and against this country and who violated more serious laws and the constitution.Bush easily the biggest flaunter of the constituion that I have ever lived through and I lived through Nixon.What his administration did with all domestic spying was like nothing seen before.His administration was just full of inept,corrupt idealogues everywhere you look.Rumsfeld,Gonzalez,Libby,Cheney,etc..He knew about the outing of Valerie Plame(told his spokeman Scott McClellan he did).If that was a democrate the right wing would call him a traitor for outing a CIA operative,but you guys think its a crime less than lying about a blow job or not even a crime at all.
Remember most republicans now say the impeachment of Bill Clinton ended up hurting them more than anybody else.People were upset that congress was doing that instead of what most felt they should be doing like working on bills and the country's affairs.
What Clinton did was minor stuff to compared to basic violations of privacy and the constitution that this administration had already been proven to have committed.And history will judge it that way I bet as well.

Actually genius, Abraham Lincoln was the biggest flaunter of the constitution ever and he also happened to be probably the greatest American ever to live. There is currently NO domestic spying. The wire taps have been on international calls. Guess where your constitutional rights end...at the border so any international call is and has always been free game.

Also, you are not guaranteed privacy in the Constitution. Please read it and show me where the words "right to privacy" are ever included in the US Constitution.

History will judge this era...the same way history judges Roosevelt who was called the same things as Bush by people who felt WWII was an unnecessary war and the same way people hated, no DESPISED Lincoln during the civil war.

Pick up some history books and put down the Michael Moore garbage.

 

[YMIHERE]

10 years previous to 9/11 the US governement had no way of dealing with Islamic JiHadists. They treated every attack as a criminal act not an act of war until 9/11 happened and woke them up. They didn't let it happen.

Except for Afghanistan, all of the major accomplishments on terrorist around the world have been the result of police type criminal investigations. The Iraq debacle employed military action and has been at best a waste of life, time and money. You can't use the military on an enemy you can't find. It take nuts and bolts police type tactics to find and destory them.

 

[Friday on my mind]

Actually genius, Abraham Lincoln was the biggest flaunter of the constitution ever and he also happened to be probably the greatest American ever to live. There is currently NO domestic spying. The wire taps have been on international calls. Guess where your constitutional rights end...at the border so any international call is and has always been free game.

Also, you are not guaranteed privacy in the Constitution. Please read it and show me where the words "right to privacy" are ever included in the US Constitution.

History will judge this era...the same way history judges Roosevelt who was called the same things as Bush by people who felt WWII was an unnecessary war and the same way people hated, no DESPISED Lincoln during the civil war.

Pick up some history books and put down the Michael Moore garbage.

Hey genuis one end of the calls in many of the monitored ones was within the US so americans were monitored.And not every right is written in the constitution,if YOU knew history and how precedents are set you would know that.:1orglaugh.Little thing called the supreme court has determined there is an inherent right to privacy ,thats how you get right of women to choose as one example.Stop listening to Rush and Hannity and those other right wing Fascists and read some books that tell how things and the govt are suppose to be and what rights are.This even mentioning Lincoln and Bush in the same thread is funny,one faced a true national emergency and took drastic steps admittally to deal with it,the other tried to use a crime to make excuses to invade countries who had nothing to do with that crime and to use the NSA to wiretap ,datamine bank info on americans personal records etc.What the hell you think the phone companies were so worried about that they demanded and got regreatably immunity from prosecution.It was becasue they know what they did when they gave the govt accees to everyones phone recoords was illegal and they were liable to be hauled into court for it.And I might add some companies refused to cooperate and do what the govt wanted,same reason they knew they would be turning over "private' info on americans.
Leave poor old honest Abe out of it,Bush is not even remotely in such a league as far as presidents go.He will remembered about as well as Herbert Hoover is.

 

[YMIHERE]

Also, you are not guaranteed privacy in the Constitution. Please read it and show me where the words "right to privacy" are ever included in the US Constitution.

Both of the 9th and 10th Amendments of the Constitution of the United States of America make clear that there need not be any explicit right to privacy in order for the people to enjoy the right of privacy.

I'll bet you also read the Bible literally.

 

[Jason z]

Im sure your right about the clicking wrong post for the quote,but he still might have done that from being under the influence.:beer:

Yea that was totally my fault.. I fucked up and clicked the wrong post. I wasnt drunk though. lol. I am sorry about that I meant to post 130. To confront that fucking asshole. anyway my bad. Hope everybody has a good day.

 

[titsrock]

Yes, it appears 9/11 was most definitely an inside job. I missed out on the profiteering opportunity it presented. But, since the airline stocks have tanked under the Bush Administration, and since he created TSA, which is a complete waste of money/phony "false front" for security...I will be able to gobble up those airline stocks now, for when President Obama gets sworn in as the next president, and when the economy soars, I'll finally be in position to unload those airline stocks ahead of the next 9/11, which Sheik Osama bin Obama will certainly usher in....

PROFITS! PROFITS! PROFITS!

 

[Jason z]

Yea I think there are alot of questions that have not been answered wtc building 7 etc.
I think thats the reason why you see alot of people believeing it was an inside job just like how jesse ventura believes that.

 

[neighborboy]

What exactly are these questions the have not yet been answered? That it looked like a controlled demolition? No one with any expertise in controlled demolition thinks it looked like a controlled demolition.

By the same logic I could say, "You know, there are a lot of unanswered questions about whether the earth really does revolve around the sun, I mean, it sure looks to me like the sun revolves around the earth. Screw what the scientific evidence says."

Look, if you are going to go for the conspiracy theories, go all in: space-based lasers (I'm not making this up), the whole enchilada. Absolutely no evidence supports any of this nonsense, so at least have enough sense to do it with a little pizzazz.

 

[Jason z]

what about wtc buliding 7 falling later around 5 pm on the same day 9/11 happened? How did that building fall without hardly being touched?

 

[Marlo Manson]

What exactly are these questions the have not yet been answered? That it looked like a controlled demolition? No one with any expertise in controlled demolition thinks it looked like a controlled demolition.

By the same logic I could say, "You know, there are a lot of unanswered questions about whether the earth really does revolve around the sun, I mean, it sure looks to me like the sun revolves around the earth. Screw what the scientific evidence says."

Look, if you are going to go for the conspiracy theories, go all in: space-based lasers (I'm not making this up), the whole enchilada. Absolutely no evidence supports any of this nonsense, so at least have enough sense to do it with a little pizzazz.

lol you can be as naive as you like, if you wanna think that 9/11 is proven without any doubt in your mind that it was 100% terrorist related and that our government didn't play any part in what happened thats fine you have that right! on the other hand nobody has commented on something I have mentioned several times already that I find very interesting and concerning! what you ask am I talking about?

what in the hell is this relationship between GWB and the crowned prince of Saudi Arabia? I would love to know what there friendship is motivated by? oil? the fact that the royal family of Saudi Arabia has terrorist connections with Al Queda and OBL the taliban all the islamic jihadists were funded by someone in the royal family of S.A.? thats not @ all fishy or gives the impression that somehow, someway GWB and the crowned prince are in cahoots?

all the hijackers got past security @ how many different airports 3,4,5,6?? whatever ridiculous # of security breaches in so many different cities on the same day? what about the date "9/11" america's emergency # thats coincidence or intentional? there's just to many different things to factor into the whole day of 9/11 to just say wow they really nailed us good.. the FBI and the CIA both never shared intel on suspected terrorist attacks? not only did they not share with each other they ignored or didn't take the intel seriously? you got to be joking if you actually think that 9/11 has this many unanswered logical questions that so far nobody has a legitmate explanation for, and nothing strikes you as fishy or suspicious?

terrorist are effective but on scale of 9/11 how many things had to happen for them to pull off what they did? you don't find that suspicous? like I said you think all is well and simple to explain, when in actuality half that shit sits there like an open book with question marks smeared all over 9/11.. naive and conspiracy theorists are definitely totally different! you don't have an explanation for anything above! and if you did then the whole world can stop wondering what really happened on 9/11 who's responsible.. and who is guilty of failing to do there job! it this enough pizzazz to chomp on while your able to answer with absolute certainty that nothing suspicious took place on 9/11? :dunno: :hatsoff:

 

[neighborboy]

Naive? What's naive about not believing something without evidence?

As for the GWB Saudi Arabia connection, what's so special about it? Saudi Arabia is the leader of OPEC. America pretty much has to get on its knees and beg OPEC not to raise oil prices. Saudi Arabia has America by the balls, so America tries to curry favor by giving Saudi Arabia military hardware and whatnot. Why does there have to be some sort of sinister connection? I'd also point out the hardcore militants in Saudi Arabia hate the royal family because they view the royal family as sellouts. That being the case, it's about as likely that Al Queda would take orders from the royal family as it is likely that they would take orders from Saddam Hussein, which is to say, not at all.

As for your other point, proving that the CIA wasn't in on it and didn't "let it happen" is just about impossible. All you can do is point out that there is zero empirical evidence and leave it at that. But since you are positing a huge conspiracy involving thousands of people who "let it happen", you can ask yourself why not one of the thousand imagined conspirators has stepped forward and spilled the beans. Take another conspiracy, a real conspiracy, the conspiracy to cook the intelligence on Iraq, and dozens of people have stepped forward to tell their story. Take other secret societies like the Skull and Bones, or Scientologists, and people have always stepped forward.

But in the end, why is a conspiracy necessary? Can't the American intelligence services just be incompetent? Given that intelligence is never foolproof, and America lets in thousands of people through its borders each day, why is it all that unreasonable that these people just fell through the cracks? And if there was a coordinated effort to let Al Qaeda have free run of things in America, why did the FBi detain that guy in Minnesota? Why didn't some mysterious "man in black" show up in Minnesota and tell the FBI agents to let him go?

Suspicions are not evidence. Coincidences are not evidence. Only evidence is evidence.

9/11 conspiracy theorist are all all driven by one of two things:

1. The (mistaken) belief that big events have to have big causes. Since 9/11 was a "big thing" it just had to be coordinated by a bunch of super evil and super sophisticated people, and not just some dudes in turbans.

This is wrong. History proves over and over again that little things matter and that one little person can have a huge effect on history.

2. A feeling that we don't have any control over our lives and that there must be something or someone else out there (i.e the government or the "men in black") pulling the strings.

This is also mistaken. There is no person out there with all powerful control over your life. Most people in positions of authority couldn't care less about you, your life, or what you think.

 

[neighborboy]

what about wtc buliding 7 falling later around 5 pm on the same day 9/11 happened? How did that building fall without hardly being touched?

Huh? What's so strange about a building collapsing after being on fire for hours and sustaining major damage from the debris of the falling twin towers? What the heck are you talking about, "hardly being touched"??? Have you seen the pictures of the damage? It looked like someone had scooped out a chunk of the building! Again, I'll point you to the "liars" at Wikipedia:

As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing heavy damage to the south face of the building. The bottom portion of the building's south face was heavily damaged by debris, including damage to the southwest corner from the 8th to 18th floors, a large vertical gash on the center-bottom extending at least ten floors, and other damage as high as the 18th floor. The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.