As much as I think ill of Bush/Cheney the notion that they could cover it up is not plausible IMO.The number of people involved in such an operation would just make that impossible.
was 911 an inside job?
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As much as I think ill of Bush/Cheney the notion that they could cover it up is not plausible IMO.The number of people involved in such an operation would just make that impossible.
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Given that the President is so dead set of the maintenance of a _____ w i d e ______ open Southern (Mexico) border, you be the judge.
If such a terrorist threat exists, why would he wish to encourage such a open border plan?
Maybe the threat of terror does not exist !
It sure does keep everybody occupied.
You see how easy it would be to destroy America ? What are "they" waiting for ?
http://www.bordergate.net/testimonials.html
(please, no dialectical opposition to this post)
If such a terrorist threat exists, why would he wish to encourage such a open border plan?
Maybe the threat of terror does not exist !
It sure does keep everybody occupied.
You see how easy it would be to destroy America ? What are "they" waiting for ?
http://www.bordergate.net/testimonials.html
(please, no dialectical opposition to this post)
Marlo Manson
Hello Sexy girl how your Toes doing?
I would hope not, but that fuck up bush has lied and broken just about every law a president can break, made laws up as he went to accomplish whatever he had on his retarded mind.. bush and chenney?? sheeez I wouldn't put anything past either of them let alone the whole bush administration!! CORRUPT, CORRUPT, soooo fuckin CORRUPT!! I wouldn't be shocked @ all in the end that certain things were arranged by our government!! prince abdulah or the crowned prince of Saudi Arabia whatever the fuck his name is?? the President of the USA are gotdamn butt buddies in cahoots!!! 
Somethings smells FISHY and looks even worse than the smell!!! we'll just have to wait and see!! quiet as kept, albeit OSAMA BIN LADEN is no ANGEL!!! but I don't think he had anything or little to do with 9/11.. I think the media automatically assumed and the way bush works he probably said yeah lets roll with that.. NOBODY not OBL or AL QUEDA claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attacks right away??? why not?? not like they were affraid of retalliation, cuz they finally did claim to do it??? but did they really??? I have my doubts!!!
and one final argument.. what the hell hit the pentagon?? camera tricks and all kinds of computer generated illusions can trick the eye too see an AIR LINER crashing into the pentagon?? where were the reminence of the jet at the scene in the wreckage??? I don't recall anything distinguishable to suggest it was a jet liner!!! maybe a missile??? and the same can be said of the pennsylvania wreckage scene?? no proof that a plane crashed!! it didn't look like a plane crash... planes usually shatter and blow up leaving distinct peice's of that plane in a certain radius around a crash doesn't it??? leads me to believe hmmmm?? what the hell are all these question marks mean?? just some food for thought!!! :hatsoff:
Somethings smells FISHY and looks even worse than the smell!!! we'll just have to wait and see!! quiet as kept, albeit OSAMA BIN LADEN is no ANGEL!!! but I don't think he had anything or little to do with 9/11.. I think the media automatically assumed and the way bush works he probably said yeah lets roll with that.. NOBODY not OBL or AL QUEDA claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attacks right away??? why not?? not like they were affraid of retalliation, cuz they finally did claim to do it??? but did they really??? I have my doubts!!!
and one final argument.. what the hell hit the pentagon?? camera tricks and all kinds of computer generated illusions can trick the eye too see an AIR LINER crashing into the pentagon?? where were the reminence of the jet at the scene in the wreckage??? I don't recall anything distinguishable to suggest it was a jet liner!!! maybe a missile??? and the same can be said of the pennsylvania wreckage scene?? no proof that a plane crashed!! it didn't look like a plane crash... planes usually shatter and blow up leaving distinct peice's of that plane in a certain radius around a crash doesn't it??? leads me to believe hmmmm?? what the hell are all these question marks mean?? just some food for thought!!! :hatsoff:
Frankly, Lincoln did the same (he actually jailed dissenting journalists and expelled disagreeable Senators) .... and I don't hear none of y'all complaining about it.
Oh wait! I forgot! It was a-ok because he "eradicated slavery".
Father Abraham! The 'Emancipator'....
*cue flowery, upbeat music*
Of course, history doesn't agree with it but who ever cared for the truth anyway?
Seriously, y'all have a lot to learn about freedom, liberty, the Constitution and most importantly "the presidents".
cheers,
PS: Just so y'all know: King Bush II is an asswipe and a fucktard.
I don't know about you but I see a big difference in the two situations.Lincoln was facing armed revolt(civil war) by sizeable portion of his own citizens.Bush faces nothing of the sort with this so-called war on terror.
Conspiracy Theories.
Bush has NEVER lied. Being wrong about weapons of mass destruction IS NOT lying. You can be wrong on something and still not be lying. Hell ... everyone thought Sadam had WMD's - Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary ... all of 'em. There's plenty in the video record of these individuals stating unequivocally that Sadam had WMD's - even though these same people deny that they said he did (now THAT is lying).
Sadam had done enough imo to merit his removal. Genocide, the use of WMD's against is own people, invasion of Kuwait and refusal to obide by his own surrender treaty, etc.
Bush freed about 25 million Iraqis and has given them a chance at freedom. The enemies of the United States are pissed off about that. Please give me a moment to wipe the tears from my keyboard.
Also - Lincoln DID NOT free the slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Union territory (which, with the exception of Maryland, Kentucky, and the District of Columbia, was already free anyway). Lincoln died before the majority of the slaves in the South were freed.
And yes - Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. He jailed many individuals and held them without charges. This was particularly upsetting to Chief Justice Taney of the U.S. Supreme Court - who ordered that one of the individuals be freed from jail. The Army, loyal to Lincoln, refused. That ended the issue - and so much for checks and balances.
Lesson is - the Union survived. Lincoln did what he needed to do to keep it together. Bush has done the same but he hasn't committed 1/100th of the Constitutional violations that Lincoln did. Those who think he has should consume less caffeine and study some history - as well as the Constitution.
Bush has NEVER lied. Being wrong about weapons of mass destruction IS NOT lying. You can be wrong on something and still not be lying. Hell ... everyone thought Sadam had WMD's - Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary ... all of 'em. There's plenty in the video record of these individuals stating unequivocally that Sadam had WMD's - even though these same people deny that they said he did (now THAT is lying).
Sadam had done enough imo to merit his removal. Genocide, the use of WMD's against is own people, invasion of Kuwait and refusal to obide by his own surrender treaty, etc.
Bush freed about 25 million Iraqis and has given them a chance at freedom. The enemies of the United States are pissed off about that. Please give me a moment to wipe the tears from my keyboard.
Also - Lincoln DID NOT free the slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in Union territory (which, with the exception of Maryland, Kentucky, and the District of Columbia, was already free anyway). Lincoln died before the majority of the slaves in the South were freed.
And yes - Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. He jailed many individuals and held them without charges. This was particularly upsetting to Chief Justice Taney of the U.S. Supreme Court - who ordered that one of the individuals be freed from jail. The Army, loyal to Lincoln, refused. That ended the issue - and so much for checks and balances.
Lesson is - the Union survived. Lincoln did what he needed to do to keep it together. Bush has done the same but he hasn't committed 1/100th of the Constitutional violations that Lincoln did. Those who think he has should consume less caffeine and study some history - as well as the Constitution.
Marlo Manson
Hello Sexy girl how your Toes doing?
I am seriously all ears, you can post it here or PM me?? I wanna know what I supposedly don't know! :dunno: and I do agree with your last paragraph to a T.. lincoln did abolish slavery, thats a good thing, but as far as his flaws school never pointed the negative shit out.. so please by all means explain and teach away! :bowdown:
I agree in this day and age of computers, technology, terrorism, nuclear material, economy, global implications, bush has majorily fucked us all up the ass with his administration looking to achieve his own PERSONAL AGENDA!! lincoln didn't create the same magnitude of a FUCKIN MESS as fuckwad BUSH has!!
That's incorrect. There was NO REVOLT. The South Seceded from the Union and asked to be left alone. The South did not want a conflict with the North. It was the North that began the war by invading the South. You can argue Ft. Sumpter started it - but the Union Garrison was asked to turn over territory that rightly belonged to the State of South Carolina. When the garrison did surrender - the soldiers were given back to the United States.
They weren't beheaded or tortured.
Lincoln violated the constitution to keep the Union together - NOT to keep people alive. Bush has fought to keep people alive and prevent another attack on the United States ...
Inarguably ... he has prevented another attack on United States territory. There has not been another 9-11 (that will come when Obama is President because cookies and milk don't work as a negotiation tool - only overwhelming force does when you're dealing with Islamo-fascists)
1st off Bush and this adminiatration have lied and been caught maunfacturing reasons for war repeatedly.They knew where WMDS were and WMDS and the rest of it were never justifications for an invasion IMO anyway even if they had them.I love this stuff about how he used weapons on his own people,the Kurds people usually mean.Yeah the US ought to know we sold him the stuff he used, back when we were supporting his regime.
And on the civil war ,what was lincoln suppose to do just let those traitors waltz off with there little institution of slavery preserved? And really the South won the peace and eventually got things back to almost the way they were prior to the war when reconstuction ended.The North was far to leniant with them after the war IMO,Davis,Lee and the other main people in the south all should have been hung.And the North should have insured there was real rights for blacks which they did not do.
And on the civil war ,what was lincoln suppose to do just let those traitors waltz off with there little institution of slavery preserved? And really the South won the peace and eventually got things back to almost the way they were prior to the war when reconstuction ended.The North was far to leniant with them after the war IMO,Davis,Lee and the other main people in the south all should have been hung.And the North should have insured there was real rights for blacks which they did not do.
yes.. exactly.. The south fucked everything up. They didnt want to see our country progress in anyway at all.
LOL ... The Kurd's weren't Sadam's people? He ruled them. He gassed them too. As I said - he used WMD's on his own people ... men, women, children. There's photos sportsfans.
Well ... you're not providing any evidence that Bush lied. People throw that word out there but never back it up and you're doing the same.
And your position is inconsistent - you're all for Lincoln violating the constitution - but not for Bush violating it.
Bush hasn't violated the Constitution IMO - and I surely wish he had - like Lincoln. I can think of a few traitors who need to be locked up the way Lincoln did - but Bush is too much of a pussy to do it.
EDIT: Oh and by the way ... Jeff Davis DID beg for a trial when the war ended ... but the Feds wouldn't give him one. They released him because to put Davis on trial would have put the issue of "secession" on trial - and that is something the North didn't want. I'm a Southerner ... but I'm glad the North won the war. However ... it would have caused MAJOR problems for the North had they hung Lee. Lee was a Southern hero and STILL is.
Marlo Manson
Hello Sexy girl how your Toes doing?
Oh my, I can't believe this, I can't deny any of the Lincoln aspect of this story but bush has done EVERYTHING to turn his administration from a democracy to a DICTATORSHIP.. the man has wiped his ass with the American people.. he has killed how many thousand AMERICAN military troops??? not to mention all the INNOCENT people that lost there lives where ever king bush decided to start dropping bombs and launching missile's, he has lied about EVERYTHING he LIED to the UN..
past presidents suspected but couldn't determine if Saddam had WMD's because of WEAK INTELLIGENCE!! bush just LIED about it so he had an excuse to attack iraq because of his own agenda!!! what are you Bush's daughter or something??
your seriously delusional if you think fuck wad bush is a saviour, he has endangered US soil forever!!Along with a cover up of his/there involvement of 9/11 and other criminal tactics ie: wiretaps, surveillance with no legal right/authority, withholding peoples civil rights, due process, and all the other criminal shit he's done and your gonna spew this pro-bush
to us?? if your not bush's daughter, wife, brother, or kin to him?? your definitely BRAINWASHED!! and if your not related to bush you need a LOBOTOMY!! your holier than thou faith in your president, is nauseating!! and your respect for sir holy king fuck wad bush is PATHETIC and DISGUSTING!! ukey: :throwup:
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I think Bin Ladin is an actor that lives in Hollywood.
but seriously, there was an investigation by the senate that proved the Bush admin. cited intelligence that they knew to be contradicted and other claims about reports that didn't exist with regards to thier Iraq policy. If you do a little research you can find it, it was swept under the rug and got virtually zero coverage on the big media outlets.
but seriously, there was an investigation by the senate that proved the Bush admin. cited intelligence that they knew to be contradicted and other claims about reports that didn't exist with regards to thier Iraq policy. If you do a little research you can find it, it was swept under the rug and got virtually zero coverage on the big media outlets.
He lied in the state of the union when he talked about Iraq getting yellow cake from Niger and the CIA had told him they did not have any evidence of that but he went and said it anyway.He lied about Valerie Plame and his knowledge of that.Go read Scott McClellans (his former spokeman) new book ,it goes over lots of lies.
What Lincoln faced and Bush faced as dangers to the country are light years apart in severity.Bush clearly violated our rights when he allowed warrantless wiretaps is just one violation.I don't see any real point in pointing out others as you obviously are going to be supportive of him and the invasion no matter what evidence is presented that is contrary to that viewpoint.Bush does have some supporters left I know ,just not many.
LOL ... The Kurd's weren't Sadam's people? He ruled them. He gassed them too. As I said - he used WMD's on his own people ... men, women, children. There's photos sportsfans.
Well ... you're not providing any evidence that Bush lied. People throw that word out there but never back it up and you're doing the same.
And your position is inconsistent - you're all for Lincoln violating the constitution - but not for Bush violating it.
Bush hasn't violated the Constitution IMO - and I surely wish he had - like Lincoln. I can think of a few traitors who need to be locked up the way Lincoln did - but Bush is too much of a pussy to do it.
EDIT: Oh and by the way ... Jeff Davis DID beg for a trial when the war ended ... but the Feds wouldn't give him one. They released him because to put Davis on trial would have put the issue of "secession" on trial - and that is something the North didn't want. I'm a Southerner ... but I'm glad the North won the war. However ... it would have caused MAJOR problems for the North had they hung Lee. Lee was a Southern hero and STILL is.
what about the fucking fiza bill?? was that not against the constitution?? You need to quit posting this bull-shit about bush. Ur a useless southern fuck who thinks abraham lincoln was wrong bc he didnt want slavery.
Why is it a "So called" war on terror? I'd say bombing the Taliban and Al Qaeda would make it an actual war on terror.
Not necessarily a good war on terror, but it's definitely a war on terror.
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Have you seen the recently govt commisoned report that says they should drop calling it a "war" like the rest of the world has? The use of the word war is inappropriate.Like the report says this is a crime situation not a war.Which is exactly what John Kerry said in the 2004 election which was he was ridiculed for.
These terrorists/criminals pose nothing like the threat the civil war did and for that matter that Hitler and then the cold war did.
I don't want us to do anything just because the rest of the world does (with certain, obvious exceptions). It certainly has toned down to where it is more like trying to curtail crime, but sorry- when we use aircraft carriers, tanks, fighter planes, and infantry- it's a war.
And these terrorists pose no threat like those you mentioned now. On Sept. 10, they posed a mighty big threat. Since we scattered the Taliban and Al Qaeda to the mountains along the border of Pakistan, they haven't really, effectively done any damage to the US. We keep hearing about how they are "making a comeback", but I certainly haven't read, seen, or heard anything from my many friends serving over there to indicate that.
But I'd agree with you that certainly, there is no threat on a major scale from them now. But then... doesn't that mean we're doing well?
And these terrorists pose no threat like those you mentioned now. On Sept. 10, they posed a mighty big threat. Since we scattered the Taliban and Al Qaeda to the mountains along the border of Pakistan, they haven't really, effectively done any damage to the US. We keep hearing about how they are "making a comeback", but I certainly haven't read, seen, or heard anything from my many friends serving over there to indicate that.
But I'd agree with you that certainly, there is no threat on a major scale from them now. But then... doesn't that mean we're doing well?