War, what is it good for?

[Theopolis Q. Hossenffer]

If Donald Trump were president during Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin’s forces would be in Poland right now, Scaramucci says
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2023/03/...-would-be-in-poland-right-now-scaramucci.html

Alongside the US Marine Corps. Donald being Putin's best friend as he is.

 

[tvstrip]

The logic has to include their point of view, and by extension the world's. How much do you trust the biggest military in the world AND your boss that asks you to keep making toys for it?

Why would logic come into play for their continued genocide
(Https://www.axios.com/2021/03/09/report-clear-evidence-china-genocide-uyghur-muslims) of millions,
(so we can get cheap merch and phones)
the state monitored control of their own people
(remember that an indoctrinated people don't haff the same logic)
and that even the most well trained animal will bite the hand that feeds it, if it believe anything the matter is right is unjust.

Do the gangs of Africa praise the u.n care packages or wish to destroy tht u.n.?
Do we care for our neighbors or see them as more obstacles to our happiness?

I recall any given area has a fight for dominance, whether it's rats fighting each other for scraps or world superpowers.

Rising to wealth and power as a worker to a master is still slavery. (Work or suffer)
Or how about.. "just because you need food and shelter to survive doesn't mean you didn't walk or of your last job because the boss is scum"?

Logic is a goal, but it isn't how we function - on average.


I know your point, but the evidence of continued "passive aggressive" actions against the world is plenty of reason to doubt that maintaining a status quo is not what they're after. They have the population and the blueprints to be whatever they want. You can see what they're choosing. Turning a blind eye to their agenda is fine, until it isn't.

Then you might get to make toys for them while they discuss why you should be fine with this arrangement. You're fed. You get to dictate whatever policy you want. But they sign the checks and still monitor every step of the process

Your first post covered a lot of ground. I didn't want to convolute it by trying to address all of them - and just focused on one point: Whether China would launch a global cyber attack that would cripple the world. And it's on that point I disagree.

I'm not doubting that China wants to rule the world, or at the very least, replace the US. But I don't see how a crippling cyber attack benefits them.

 

[Torre82]

I'm not doubting that China wants to rule the world, or at the very least, replace the US. But I don't see how a crippling cyber attack benefits them.

Understood.

I'm glad there r different views in all matters. There are sides to all things that require all the views to properly see. If you can't see it, then maybe I'm focusing too hard. I admit i don't have the best opinion of China and might be seeing a grand scheme as where it could just be them "throwing rocks at the glass windows" to see if it'll break, but not trying to take down the whole building.

 

[tvstrip]

Understood.

I'm glad there r different views in all matters. There are sides to all things that require all the views to properly see. If you can't see it, then maybe I'm focusing too hard. I admit i don't have the best opinion of China and might be seeing a grand scheme as where it could just be them "throwing rocks at the glass windows" to see if it'll break, but not trying to take down the whole building.

Hey, we're on the same page that we don't have a favorable view of winnie the pooh and his ambitions. I probably have an even worse impression of them, and I totally agree that they are testing the waters to see what they can get away with. The balloons, COVID, and the covert hacking are all examples. And of course, their little projects in the South China Sea - good chance that is going to spark something bad in the future. China has a beef with practically all of it's neighbors other than NK & Russia, and they don't seem to be keen on making any friends anytime soon.

 

[Orban89]

What was the Schlieffen Plan and why did it fail?​

 

[Luxman]

Far From His Goals on the Battlefield, Would Putin Turn to Assassinations? | Amanpour and Company - Feb 9, 2023

Ukraine strikes devastating Russian weapon - Feb 15, 2023

 

[Orban89]

How the war in Ukraine could change Central and Eastern Europe forever​

 

[tvstrip]

Ukraine strikes devastating Russian weapon - Feb 15, 2023

Is there evidence that thermobaric weapons have been used?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-fighter-jet-collides-us-172003084.html

A Russian jet, collides with a U.S. drone................and so it begins.

 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-fighter-jet-collides-us-172003084.html

A Russian jet, collides with a U.S. drone................and so it begins.

So no actual weapons were used - presumably so they can claim it wasn't a "hostile" act. I think we're safe until actual weapons are used, and there is an actual pilot's life at risk. Probably a matter of time before that happens though.

The Russian fighters dumped fuel on the drone and flew in front of it before the collision.

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...or-putin-over-ukraine-war-crimes/ar-AA18KXx0?

The International Criminal Court said Friday it has issued an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin for war crimes because of his alleged involvement in abductions of children from Ukraine.

Not that it really means anything...

A possible trial of any Russians at the ICC remains a long way off, as Moscow does not recognize the court’s jurisdiction— a position reaffirmed on Friday by Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova in a first reaction to the warrants.
“The decisions of the International Criminal Court have no meaning for our country, including from a legal point of view,” she said.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

So no actual weapons were used - presumably so they can claim it wasn't a "hostile" act. I think we're safe until actual weapons are used, and there is an actual pilot's life at risk. Probably a matter of time before that happens though.

No, but you can bet your bottom dollar, if the Russian jet would have crashed, they would be freaking out, and accusing us of all but starting a war.

The U.S. said the Russian's were trying to recover the drone, and an official from America said there won't be much to find. I wonder, do they have a self destruct function, and if not, doesn't that seem prudent to a piece of high tech equipment?

 

[tvstrip]

No, but you can bet your bottom dollar, if the Russian jet would have crashed, they would be freaking out, and accusing us of all but starting a war.

The U.S. said the Russian's were trying to recover the drone, and an official from America said there won't be much to find. I wonder, do they have a self destruct function, and if not, doesn't that seem prudent to a piece of high tech equipment?

I read that they remotely wiped the memory before it crashed, which supposedly makes it worthless.
I remember that the damaged copter in the bin laden raid had to be blown up manually by the SEAL team, so it sure doesn't seem like self-destruct functions are standard, even for the most cutting-edge military tech.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I read that they remotely wiped the memory before it crashed, which supposedly makes it worthless.
I remember that the damaged copter in the bin laden raid had to be blown up manually by the SEAL team, so it sure doesn't seem like self-destruct functions are standard, even for the most cutting-edge military tech.

But the big difference is, the helicopter was manned. If it malfunctioned, it could claim the lives of our service members, if it malfunctioned on a unmanned drone, it would just be a financial loss. I'm just a little surprised, is all. It obviously sends a real time live feed, so I never even considered a memory unit on board. I just don't know how cutting edge that drone technology is. Lets face it, there really aren't any secrets anymore. That's why the plane that hit the drone looks like an F15, and they have a strategic bomber that looks just like the B1B Lancer. Considering that, they must have drones too, it's just who's ahead in the race.

 

[tvstrip]

But the big difference is, the helicopter was manned. If it malfunctioned, it could claim the lives of our service members, if it malfunctioned on a unmanned drone, it would just be a financial loss. I'm just a little surprised, is all. It obviously sends a real time live feed, so I never even considered a memory unit on board. I just don't know how cutting edge that drone technology is. Lets face it, there really aren't any secrets anymore. That's why the plane that hit the drone looks like an F15, and they have a strategic bomber that looks just like the B1B Lancer. Considering that, they must have drones too, it's just who's ahead in the race.

For sure. If you can remotely wipe the memory, presumably you could install a remote detonation system as well.
That said, I'm no military expert, but I'm under the impression that a damaged plane isn't much use, at least intelligence-wise

Remember this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akutan_Zero

The US had access to tons of damaged Zeros, even those shot down over Pearl Harbor, but it wasn't until they got one intact in July 1942 that they were able to get any real intelligence on it. If we use that logic, so long as you fry the electronic data (which would include signal encryption, etc), the physical husk of a 15-year old MQ-9 probably isn't much use anyways.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Let's face face it dude. No mater what it is, stereo, phone, computer, or billion dollar bomber, the day after it comes out, it's old tech, because the next one is already in prototype.

 

[tvstrip]

Let's face face it dude. No mater what it is, stereo, phone, computer, or billion dollar bomber, the day after it comes out, it's old tech, because the next one is already in prototype.

100%. And it's always the military that gets the newest toys.

 

[Orban89]

Czech citizens raise €1.2m to send rocket launcher and 365 missiles to Ukraine​

 

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Czech citizens raise €1.2m to send rocket launcher and 365 missiles to Ukraine​

We can start GoFundMes for military weapons now?

 

[Orban89]