I think people hate Brown so much as they can't get to Tony Blair. Blair lied over and over again to justify the wars (especially Iraq) and people were fooled by his charm (I never was). Now the inquiries have shown how he stretched the truth and pushed the case for war on his own cabinet and now we also see how much money he makes from speeches etc, no doubt about the war. Many people embarassed by the fact he tricked them all with his charm and charisma (not me though) have turned on Gordon Brown as he was his right hand man and Blair has edged himself out of the limelight. We'll never know the extent of how much Brown agreed with Blairs decisions and he took over from Blair (not voted in which has upset a lot of people) just as the economy crashed, I guess he's just unlucky but he aint a bad guy by any means and i do feel kind of sorry for him at times.
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The problem isn't so much with issues it's with the sheer ineptitude of the present government.Apart from being sleazy we had a Home Secretary (Jacqui Smith) who falsely claimed housing expenses and signed important documents without checking them.There's simply nobody of any calibre in the present lot.David Cameron's conservatives do have some very capable people (some of whom have actually had a real job) but because they've been in opposition for so long few of them gave governmental experience.All made more difficult by the fact that many of their policies were pinched by New Labour.
As for Gordon, he presided as Chancellor during an unbelievably favourable set of world wide economic conditions-steady growth and low inflation.To call him unlucky isn't realistic, he wrote the cheques for the wars and supported them (though keeping the army short changed on equipment)...making no provision for a rainy day but instead borrowing more and more.
As for Gordon, he presided as Chancellor during an unbelievably favourable set of world wide economic conditions-steady growth and low inflation.To call him unlucky isn't realistic, he wrote the cheques for the wars and supported them (though keeping the army short changed on equipment)...making no provision for a rainy day but instead borrowing more and more.
No. :dunno:
I live in a realm outside of time and space. Yes that's right...
Mwahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!
You'll never take me alive motherfucker!
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larss
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It may have to be a lib dem vote - wish I lived in Graveham, just so that I could vote for Anna Arrowsmith (aka Anna Span)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7060533.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7060533.ece
om3ga
It's good to be the king...
There's quite a few reasons why I won't vote Labour:
- The cash for peerages scandal
- Lying over the reasons to invade Iraq,
- "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" (yeah, right)
- "Education, Education, Education" (ditto)
- Gordon Brown selling off more than half of the UK's centuries-old gold reserves between 1999 and 2002 (supposedly against the advice from the Bank of England), when the price was at a 20-year low. Since then the price has almost trebled, meaning the decision cost the British taxpayer an estimated £2 billion.
but for me this is my main reason:
Gordon Brown's notorious "pension stealth tax" has reduced the value of retirement funds by at least £100 billion, independent research has disclosed.
The new calculation of the loss to pension schemes resulting from the removal of tax credits on share dividends, a policy unveiled in Mr Brown's first budget in 1997, is much higher than previous estimates.
Details:
Brown's raid on pensions costs Britain £100 billion
Insanity. I feel like I've walked into a parallel dimension.
17 April - YouGov/The Sun
Conservatives - 33%
Lib Dems - 30%
Labour - 28%
18 April - BPIX/Mail on Sunday
Lib Dems - 32%
Conservatives 31%
Labour - 28%
18 April - OnePoll/Sunday People
Lib Dems - 33%
Conservatives - 27%
Labour - 23%
The last time the Liberals had this much popular support was in 1906. It probably won't last this long - they'll have to debate Europe soon, which will probably dent the colossal boom in popularity, but it all depends how strongly Clegg mitigates that by referring to their dissent over the Iraq War. They're still on course for a balanced parliament and coalition government at this rate.
17 April - YouGov/The Sun
Conservatives - 33%
Lib Dems - 30%
Labour - 28%
18 April - BPIX/Mail on Sunday
Lib Dems - 32%
Conservatives 31%
Labour - 28%
18 April - OnePoll/Sunday People
Lib Dems - 33%
Conservatives - 27%
Labour - 23%
The last time the Liberals had this much popular support was in 1906. It probably won't last this long - they'll have to debate Europe soon, which will probably dent the colossal boom in popularity, but it all depends how strongly Clegg mitigates that by referring to their dissent over the Iraq War. They're still on course for a balanced parliament and coalition government at this rate.
Well arguably it was much of Thatcher's work that has led to our current situation. The big bang in the city and de-regulation of the markets kicked off the economic boom which ultimatley led to bust some 20 odd years later, admttedly Labour also dropped there pants for the city and more than culpable too. And for the Tories to keep banging on about Broken Britain well again Thatcher had a big hand in creating the so called "underclass" which Broken Britain refers too, by instigating huge unemployment in certain areas and trying to kill off the working classes.
Also:
18 April - COMRES/Sunday Mirror/Independent on Sunday
Conservatives - 31%
Lib Dems - 29%
Labour - 27%
18 April - Sunday Telegraph/ICM
Conservatives - 34%
Labour - 29%
Lib Dems - 27%
18 April - YouGov/Sunday Times
Conservatives - 33%
Labour - 30%
Lib Dems - 29%
18 April - COMRES/Sunday Mirror/Independent on Sunday
Conservatives - 31%
Lib Dems - 29%
Labour - 27%
18 April - Sunday Telegraph/ICM
Conservatives - 34%
Labour - 29%
Lib Dems - 27%
18 April - YouGov/Sunday Times
Conservatives - 33%
Labour - 30%
Lib Dems - 29%
& claiming "there's no such thing as society". Fucking bitch!
& claiming "there's no such thing as society". Fucking bitch!
That's a claim often brought against her but never substantiated.Not to mention the fact she was misquoted and misinterpreted.What she actually said and meant was in my view nothing more than stating the obvious.That it isn't society which foots the government's bills it's individual men and women paying taxes.
Back to 1979 when the economy was in utter ruins. A massive steel industry with no customers, a giant mining industry at a time when people were converting to cheaper and cleaner gas. Industry massively overmanned plus world wide unemployment and global inflation.Whole communities were dedicated to obsolete industries and some very painful but necessary decisions were needed. They would have happened anyway, you can't keep on producing stuff than nobody wants , it just happened to be in the early 80s.The crunch had been put off for so long that it couldn't be dealt with painlessly as there was no possibility of redeploying workers.This seriously affected whole communities but tell me just how many people buy coal today?
Why do people always focus on the bad side of Europe? If we were in it properly, instead of just being on the edge as we are now, there would be many benefits, such as no exchange rate, little to no passport issues (free roaming), international healthcare and probably best of all we would all have the same rules instead of our parliament changing European suggestions and screwing things up for British businesses. :wave2:
People are scared of change, they somehow equate joining the EU to losing WW2. The politicians know we can only survive economically and politically (esp Foreign Policy) by joining the EU which is why none of the major parties are campaigning to pull out. Also the newspapers do a lot of scaremongering about EU legislation adversely affecting us as they know these stories will help them shift their newspapers.
The need to be actually part of the EU is unproven. We depend on the EU fot trade not because of the organisation but because of all the people living there.If we left, the French would still sell us their wine !
Norway and Switzerland seem to cope tolerably well outside the EU.
We benefitted enormously from remaining outside the Eurozone, at one point we received inward more investment than the rest of the EU put together.
My objection is that it's a corrupt and undemocratic body run at vast expense.
^^^I think Switzerland do well because they are completely out of everything, so they have no outside costs and can tax imports etc. If we were out of Europe I imagine we would still be part of NATO and various trade agreements and whatnot, limiting our ability to survive as independents. In this situation I would prefer to be fully in the EU, with fully shared systems such defense networks and minimum wage agreements, and fair equal trade throughout the Union. :wave2:
Probably Nick Clegg for me, some of his policies are realistiv eventhough he knows they may not please all the public (ie immigration amnesty). Cameron just wants to suck up to the public and promise them whatever he thinks they would want whilst Brown is trying to scare people into voting Labour. I like Gleggs view on the relationship with the USA, it should no longer be the 'you're either with us or against us' condition we faced when Bush was in power.
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