The right to go topless

[PrimeGuy]

I like the mystery. So no.

 

[wingman00]

Men should not go topless in places it is not common to do so. I don't need to see that!

 

[wingman00]

only ugly tits should count as indecent exposure.

 

[Ashleigh]

Name one other reason that a girl would walk around without a shirt on.

What, tanning? No, there are tanning booths. And, girls who want to get a tan by using the sun can easily do it in the comfort of their backyard. There is absolutely no reason for a girl to walk around without a shirt on, other than to get attention.



How is that an equal rights issue? Women's breasts are considered a private area and a man's chest is not. Why? Because, like it or not, women's breasts stimulate sexual arousal in people, men and women alike. That's exactly why women show off their breasts by flaunting a little cleavage when they go out; because it draws attention.

Let me ask you a serious question (because I ask this to everyone who acts like public nudity is no big deal)...

A) Would you do it in front of your father?
B) Would you do it in front of your children?



I don't mean to get personal with this, but how can you say all of that when you're a cam girl? You are the definition of women treating themselves as an object of lust. Nobody made you become a cam girl (for example) and nobody makes women portray themselves as nothing more than a sexual object of desire. Women know exactly what they're doing when they act in such a manner to draw attention to themselves. So, don't put all of the blame on men here, because women are just as much to blame for how they get treated.

1) Do you understand that women go to the beach to get a tan not only for the sake of getting a tan, but having a relaxing day out with friends? Some women don't like tanning beds because of the cost or other reasons. When I want to go to the beach to tan, its just to get out in the sun, fresh air and be with friends or my SO. Its a daily excursion, and women would rather enjoy their time at the beach rather than worrying about stupid fucking tan lines that are inevitable unless you go topless.

2) Would I do it in front of my father? No. Why? Becuase my father is an overly religious prick, who would judge me and I wouldn't hear the end of it. And sorry, being half nude in front of my father, the person who raised me and created me....is wierd. Would you show your penis to your sister? I think not.

Would I go topless in front of my children? Yes why not? (I don't actually have kids btw) Alot of parents are comfortable discussing nudity in front of their children. How many parents shower or have bubble baths with their young kids? Its not a sexual thing, its just being comfortable and displaying comfortability with the human body. I would never teach my kids that being nude is a bad thing.

3) Yes I'm a camgirl. Yes I portray myself as an "object of lust"...WHILE I'M ON CAM. Thats it. As soon as my webcam gets turned off, and I hang up my g-string, I'm back to being ME. When I walk out the front door everyday, I don't expect to be treated any differently than any other woman.

You really can't bring up the fact that I'm a camgirl to use against my opinion or point of view. Thats you making an unfair judgement on me just because of what I do for a living. Yes I turn on men while I'm on cam, thats what I do, I'm good at it and I LOVE it....but while I'm living my life outside of my "job" I don't EVER try to gain that kind of sexual attraction from men. If I wear a low cut top, its because the top looks good with my outfit. If I wear a shorter dress, its to show off my nicely shaped legs. And if I wear tight jeans, its becuase....well I don't want to look like a granny. But NONE of that is done so that I can have some a-hole tell me he'd like me to suck his cock, or have my ass grabbed in public. Just because a woman is wearing clothing (or in this discussion, NOT wearing a shirt) does NOT mean that she's trying to get attention from men. Most women actually don't really like that kind of negative attention...I hate it in fact, and so does my husband. But when I go out, I like to look nice for ME. And if a woman were to take off her bikini top at the beach to avoid tanlines...its not her attempt at getting sexually harassed.

Oh, and...

I don't mean to get personal with this, but how can you say all of that when you're a cam girl?

I don't mean to get personal with this, but how can you say what womens intentions are with going topless or dressing a particular way when you're a MAN? No offense, but you probably don't know the first thing about what a woman thinks when she makes the decisions she does...because you're not a woman. When you grow some tits of your own, and wanna spend the day at the beach...then you can make your own call about whether the bikini top stays on or off. Stop generalizing women as being attention whores simply because we want the ability to remove our top on a hot sunny day.

 

[Spleen]

No offense, but you probably don't know the first thing about what a woman thinks when she makes the decisions she does...because women are completely insane

Fixed it a bit for you

 

[Jane Burgess]

Fixed it a bit for you

Haha. I will give you credit for that being funny. :thumbsup:

 

[TITS KING]

The discussion here is going to more complicated in the coming days.....too much detail is coming on................

 

[Facetious]

Re: The right to go topless

Only in a world of all beautiful women would I advocate such a thing.

No, picture this, you're just sitting down at the beach with some friends, you open up your bag of tacos, you're getting ready to take your first bite and a group of ................. walk right in front of you and you quietly wrap the taco back up, put it back in the bag . . . ukey:

Only in a perfect world would I advocate "the right to go topless"
Trust me on this

 

[ChefChiTown]

Oh, and...


I don't mean to get personal with this, but how can you say what womens intentions are with going topless or dressing a particular way when you're a MAN? No offense, but you probably don't know the first thing about what a woman thinks when she makes the decisions she does...because you're not a woman. When you grow some tits of your own, and wanna spend the day at the beach...then you can make your own call about whether the bikini top stays on or off. Stop generalizing women as being attention whores simply because we want the ability to remove our top on a hot sunny day.

A) I didn't generalize ALL women, so don't put words into my mouth. Not all women are sluts, not all women are attention whores; some of them are actually decent human beings. It would be ignorant to claim otherwise.

B) How can you ignore what a man's intentions are or what a man thinks when you are a woman? If you are going to use that argument, you should realize that it works both ways.

Bottom line: Here in the US, if a girl walks around without a shirt on, it is going to draw attention from every guy within eyesight and they are going to look at the topless girl the most sexual way possible. To think otherwise is ridiculous.

When people use the argument other countries have a more acceptable society when it comes to public nudity is also ridiculous. Countries like that have been like open to public nudity for hundreds and hundreds of years, so their society is 100% used to things like that. Here in the US, we are not. If we just, all of a sudden, changed the way our society works, it wouldn't transition smoothly and bad things would happen. Women walking around topless would NOT be a good thing here in the US. Just to give you an idea of how crazy it would be, just walk into a bar, take your shirt off for 10 seconds and look at how every single guy stares at you like they want to fuck you. Now, magnify that exact response by imaging what that would be like all over the country.

Public nudity doesn't fit into the way that the United States' society works. Does it work for other countries? Yes. But, that doesn't mean it would work here.

:2 cents:

 

[laxe]

This thread proves my point.
"Only hot women should be allowed to go topless"

Thats basically what I keep seeing in this thread. They dont care for womens rights, they just want to see titties.

 

[ChefChiTown]

1) Do you understand that women go to the beach to get a tan not only for the sake of getting a tan, but having a relaxing day out with friends? Some women don't like tanning beds because of the cost or other reasons. When I want to go to the beach to tan, its just to get out in the sun, fresh air and be with friends or my SO. Its a daily excursion, and women would rather enjoy their time at the beach rather than worrying about stupid fucking tan lines that are inevitable unless you go topless.

Tanning is such a piss poor reason to go topless. Plus, women who go to the beach (where nudity is allowed), know damn well that they are going to get attention, whether they want it or not.

2) Would I do it in front of my father? No. Why? Becuase my father is an overly religious prick, who would judge me and I wouldn't hear the end of it. And sorry, being half nude in front of my father, the person who raised me and created me....is wierd. Would you show your penis to your sister? I think not.

So, you don't have a problem with public nudity (as the naked body is natural), but you'd have a problem with your father seeing you naked? That's the answer I get from almost every single person I ask that question to. Funny...

Would I go topless in front of my children? Yes why not? (I don't actually have kids btw) Alot of parents are comfortable discussing nudity in front of their children. How many parents shower or have bubble baths with their young kids? Its not a sexual thing, its just being comfortable and displaying comfortability with the human body. I would never teach my kids that being nude is a bad thing.

I didn't say "young kids", I said "children". When you're 40 years old and you have a 15 year old son, would you walk around naked in front of him?

Funny, because you say that being naked isn't a sexual thing, yet...you wouldn't do it in front of your father? If it's not sexual, then why not undress in front of your dad? I mean, it's not sexual, it's natural and you don't think nudity is a bad thing, right?

3) Yes I'm a camgirl. Yes I portray myself as an "object of lust"...WHILE I'M ON CAM. Thats it. As soon as my webcam gets turned off, and I hang up my g-string, I'm back to being ME. When I walk out the front door everyday, I don't expect to be treated any differently than any other women.

How does that change the fact that you're a camgirl? You choose to objectify yourself as an object of lust by taking your clothes off for money. Just because you don't do it when the camera is turned off doesn't change the fact that you still do it.

 

[Ashleigh]

How does that change the fact that you're a camgirl? You choose to objectify yourself as an object of lust by taking your clothes off for money. Just because you don't do it when the camera is turned off doesn't change the fact that you still do it.

I don't even see why that came into the argument. I don't bring my webcam to the beach when I'm tanning topless lol. Your argument is that women removing their tops is them asking for sexual attention/harassment...and bringing up the fact that I'm a camgirl is irrelevant because I don't get my sex on when I'm topless in public lol. I'm still a normal girl, please don't forget that!! I do what I do, and yes I'm asking for sexual attention when I'm online but when I walk out the door, I'd like to be treated with respect just like any other woman.

And my problem is with guys giving the sexual attraction...I'm not denying the fact that guys'll stare/hit on girls/be crude to a woman if her top is off...I'm just stating that guys should chill the fuck out. Its tits. You sucked on one when you were a behbeh and you'll see a zillion sets of them every year. Girls should just be able to do their thing without having men thinking with their other head bugging them lol.

Anyways, I'm done with this topic. I've said my piece, and maybe I'm biased because I'm a woman AND an Ontarian lol...but I'm all for female toplessness as long as men can treat it and us with respect

 

[TITS KING]

OMG.......never ending discussion.......

 

[Jane Burgess]

OMG.......never ending discussion.......

No doubt. :wave2:

 

[ChefChiTown]

And my problem is with guys giving the sexual attraction...I'm not denying the fact that guys'll stare/hit on girls/be crude to a woman if her top is off...I'm just stating that guys should chill the fuck out. Its tits. You sucked on one when you were a behbeh and you'll see a zillion sets of them every year. Girls should just be able to do their thing without having men thinking with their other head bugging them lol.

To counter that...

If a dude walked down the beach with his dick hanging out, I can guarantee that pretty much every woman would be staring at it; some of which would get aroused. Even though women have seen countless dicks, they'd still get effected by seeing one in public...just like men would with a topless woman.

:2 cents:

 

[Jane Burgess]

To counter that...

If a dude walked down the beach with his dick hanging out, I can guarantee that pretty much every woman would be staring at it; some of which would get aroused. Even though women have seen countless dicks, they'd still get effected by seeing one in public...just like men would with a topless woman.

:2 cents:

A dick is not tits. Men have tits. There are men with bigger tits then I have. Why should they be allowed to go topless and not women? Most of your postings clearly seem to state the men will have no choice but to hit on a topless women. Plenty of men hit on women that are fully clothed. It does not matter what a women is or is not wearing. Also plenty of men could care less if a women is topless. They have seen tits and it is no big deal to them. I have been to nude beaches. No one cared that everyone was topless or nude.

FYI I have seen a dick out in public and I didn't care. I didn't get wet and I didn't hit on the guy. I didn't care.:2 cents:

 

[TITS KING]

In this discussion if men looses..... the ladies gonna loose their braw...but what gonna the men loose.........:dunno::dunno:

 

[Jane Burgess]

In this discussion if men looses..... the ladies gonna loose their braw...but what gonna the men loose.........:dunno::dunno:

The men loose nothing. They get to see tits.

 

[laxe]

The men loose nothing. They get to see tits.

Thanks for proving my point.
Please have some selfrespect.
Women wonder why men don't treat them equally in the first place. Im pretty sure that if you ask any guy in the US, he would respect a woman who has never went topless in public vs someone who did.

 

[ChefChiTown]

A dick is not tits. Men have tits. There are men with bigger tits then I have. Why should they be allowed to go topless and not women? Most of your postings clearly seem to state the men will have no choice but to hit on a topless women. Plenty of men hit on women that are fully clothed. It does not matter what a women is or is not wearing. Also plenty of men could care less if a women is topless. They have seen tits and it is no big deal to them. I have been to nude beaches. No one cared that everyone was topless or nude.

A penis is a sexually oriented part of the body on a male. Breasts are a sexually oriented part of the body on a female. There is the comparison.

The reason that you have been to nude beaches without people caring is because you were in a part of the world/country where nudity was accepted. The huge majority of society in the United States doesn't accept public nudity though.

Sure, people can hop on the internet and talk all they want about how it's no big deal, but I'm willing to bet that most of the people talking the talk would never be able to walk the walk.