The right to go topless

[Skyraider22]

The men loose nothing. They get to see tits.

It is a win-win for everyone:nanner:

 

[Nester6]

Women should have that right!!!! That would be awesome!!!!

Let them dress or undress however the fuck they want!

 

[Jane Burgess]

Thanks for proving my point.
Please have some selfrespect.
Women wonder why men don't treat them equally in the first place. Im pretty sure that if you ask any guy in the US, he would respect a woman who has never went topless in public vs someone who did.

There is nothing wrong with tits. It has nothing to do with self respect. I have plenty of friends that do not work in adult and they do not care if their girls show their tits. Hell I see so many women flash their tits at the lake or the river it is not even funny. You are on a porn forum full of tits. This thread cracks me up. :thumbsup:

 

[Jane Burgess]

A penis is a sexually oriented part of the body on a male. Breasts are a sexually oriented part of the body on a female. There is the comparison.

The reason that you have been to nude beaches without people caring is because you were in a part of the world/country where nudity was accepted. The huge majority of society in the United States doesn't accept public nudity though.

Sure, people can hop on the internet and talk all they want about how it's no big deal, but I'm willing to bet that most of the people talking the talk would never be able to walk the walk.

Breasts are technically for breast feeding. There are also lots of people in the US that think it is wrong to breast feed in public. They think it is obscene. It is actually not obscene, it is to feed a hungry baby. I will never understand why breasts seem to be such a big deal. :2 cents:

 

[sproing99]

So, if you had a 5 year old daughter, would you be cool with me walking around with my penis flopping around? Like, right in front of her?

:dunno:

Well, I did say that parental/child nudity should be noting to be ashamed of so a more accurate representation of my position is that if I had a 5 year old daughter then I'd be cool with me, or my significant other walking around naked.

To turn the argument on its head, why should I be uncool with you walking around naked in fromt of my putative 5 year old daughter ? Do you present a threat to her ? (I presume not) Will you be aroused in front of her ? (I hope not)

 

[Vicky Vette]

I say hell yes!

 

[boobfan]

Vicky Vette[/URL][/B], post: 3195532, member: 99191"]I say hell yes!

I say Hell Yea! To Vicky walking around topless as well!
Now where is my video camera?

 

[Rattrap]

If women have the right to go topless (wherever they please), then men should have the right to go bottomless. I mean, if girls can show a private area of their body, why can't men?

Chef, throughout this thread you've made a distinction between male and female breasts, as shown here. I guess that's simply something I disagree with, as they are physiologically very similar (men can grow 'em large, they can lactate...et cetera). I'll just leave it at that.

Why can't people just be happy with the freedoms we already have in this country? Like it or not, we live in the most free country in the entire world. People in other countries risk their lives and abandon their past by trying to come to America. But, we're too busy over here complaining about having the right to go topless?

I find this kind of silly. We have it better, so let's not even try? That's simply against human nature. We're always going to strive for better, regardless of how we measure up to the rest of the world. If that isn't idealistically American, I don't know what is.

I like how you all keep saying that the US likes to make a big deal out of nudity and that we're too over protective. Im pretty sure the US is one of the only countries that even allowed stores to sell GTA:San andreas.
As for germany, people keep saying how they're so care free and able to go nude, but when it comes to Saints Row 2, they had to edit the content because it was too violent.
So much for the US being too overprotective.

Oh man, don't even get me started on this. GTA: San Andreas was pulled off the shelves here in the US because of a hidden sex scene. Nobody batted an eye before at the wanton violence you commit in the game, with the ability to run down the street with a chainsaw/sword mowing down people left and right. Lopping the heads off cops willy-nilly. Nah, nobody cared about that. But sex! OH NOES! This is exhibit A as to how a large part of American culture is F&#%ED UP.

For a study on how suppressing human sexuality creates a violent culture, see here (and if anyone has ever come across any similar research, they should really let me know).

When people use the argument other countries have a more acceptable society when it comes to public nudity is also ridiculous. Countries like that have been like open to public nudity for hundreds and hundreds of years, so their society is 100% used to things like that. Here in the US, we are not. If we just, all of a sudden, changed the way our society works, it wouldn't transition smoothly and bad things would happen. Women walking around topless would NOT be a good thing here in the US. Just to give you an idea of how crazy it would be, just walk into a bar, take your shirt off for 10 seconds and look at how every single guy stares at you like they want to fuck you. Now, magnify that exact response by imaging what that would be like all over the country.

Public nudity doesn't fit into the way that the United States' society works. Does it work for other countries? Yes. But, that doesn't mean it would work here.

Why does the US have a huge stick up its ass about nudity? Nudity is a beautiful thing and here people make it out to be obscene and dirty. The US could use a good dose of European thinking when it comes to nudity. :2 cents:

We sure could. And yeah, Chef is right - we're not used to it in the US because we haven't been open to it for as long as many other countries have. That's really no reason not to start making progress on it now.

A dick is not tits. Men have tits. There are men with bigger tits then I have. Why should they be allowed to go topless and not women? Most of your postings clearly seem to state the men will have no choice but to hit on a topless women. Plenty of men hit on women that are fully clothed. It does not matter what a women is or is not wearing. Also plenty of men could care less if a women is topless. They have seen tits and it is no big deal to them. I have been to nude beaches. No one cared that everyone was topless or nude.

FYI I have seen a dick out in public and I didn't care. I didn't get wet and I didn't hit on the guy. I didn't care.:2 cents:

Exactly! There's really no difference between guys' and gals' chests. There's plenty of women who're going to be attracted to/turned on by a well-toned man's chest, just as there's going to be plenty of guys attracted to a well-endowed woman's chest. Life'll go on.

Breasts are technically for breast feeding. There are also lots of people in the US that think it is wrong to breast feed in public. They think it is obscene. It is actually not obscene, it is to feed a hungry baby. I will never understand why breasts seem to be such a big deal. :2 cents:

Yep.

I'm working on figuring that out myself.

 

[Jane Burgess]

Chef, throughout this thread you've made a distinction between male and female breasts, as shown here. I guess that's simply something I disagree with, as they are physiologically very similar (men can grow 'em large, they can lactate...et cetera). I'll just leave it at that.



I find this kind of silly. We have it better, so let's not even try? That's simply against human nature. We're always going to strive for better, regardless of how we measure up to the rest of the world. If that isn't idealistically American, I don't know what is.



Oh man, don't even get me started on this. GTA: San Andreas was pulled off the shelves here in the US because of a hidden sex scene. Nobody batted an eye before at the wanton violence you commit in the game, with the ability to run down the street with a chainsaw/sword mowing down people left and right. Lopping the heads off cops willy-nilly. Nah, nobody cared about that. But sex! OH NOES! This is exhibit A as to how a large part of American culture is F&#%ED UP.

For a study on how suppressing human sexuality creates a violent culture, see here (and if anyone has ever come across any similar research, they should really let me know).





We sure could. And yeah, Chef is right - we're not used to it in the US because we haven't been open to it for as long as many other countries have. That's really no reason not to start making progress on it now.



Exactly! There's really no difference between guys' and gals' chests. There's plenty of women who're going to be attracted to/turned on by a well-toned man's chest, just as there's going to be plenty of guys attracted to a well-endowed woman's chest. Life'll go on.



Yep.

I'm working on figuring that out myself.

I like your posting. I guess breasts are not a big deal to me. I am from the US but my grandparents are from Europe. They always said that nudity was a beautiful thing and the human body should be worshipped. So that is how I see nudity.

 

[Rattrap]

I like your posting. I guess breasts are not a big deal to me. I am from the US but my grandparents are from Europe. They always said that nudity was a beautiful thing and the human body should be worshipped. So that is how I see nudity.

And I very much agree. Chef is right to say that isn't how the US works, but I don't see why we can't start moving in that direction. I think it'll be healthier for us in the long run.

 

[ChefChiTown]

And I very much agree. Chef is right to say that isn't how the US works, but I don't see why we can't start moving in that direction. I think it'll be healthier for us in the long run.

It would take hundreds and hundreds of years for our society here in the US to adapt to public nudity and to truly come to accept public nudity as being completely natural and part of our lives.

We can't even come to terms with the color of someone's skin, so just imagine how long it would take to accept the nakedness of someone's skin.

 

[skechers]

My two cents.

I'm fine with it. No one complains when I take off my shirt at work, or when I'm just driving around. Of course, when I go into certain places, I toss my t-shirt back on. I think, if it ever worked out the same way for the ladies here in the US (which it probably never will, considering the huge population of closed minded people) then I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.

It's not a huge deal. I mean, I would look of course. I am a guy, and boobs... well, you never really get tired of them, y'know? But it's not like I'd loose all control of my common sense. Or my manners.


I'd like to know, how was it decided that breasts were obscene? I mean, yes, they inspire sexual attraction, but that's not their purpose. I blame the religious nuts. It's not good to repress your desires like that. You live your whole life in a perpetual state of denial. Just be a human being, you don't have to check your brain at the door when you do it either. Yes, we have urges.

We also have a conscience.

 

[maxxum]

Yes!!!!!!!!!

 

[ChefChiTown]

I'd like to know, how was it decided that breasts were obscene? I mean, yes, they inspire sexual attraction, but that's not their purpose. I blame the religious nuts. It's not good to repress your desires like that. You live your whole life in a perpetual state of denial. Just be a human being, you don't have to check your brain at the door when you do it either. Yes, we have urges.

We also have a conscience.

You could say the same thing about a penis and a vagina. Both of those are made for creating babies, but they are both most definitely obscene.

To answer that question though, it's society. Our society in the US has taught us and raised us in a certain way. Part of that way includes the perception that certain parts of the body are sexual, obscene and off limits, so to speak. Since you can't change society, it's pointless to even try. Unfortunately, society controls the people, not the other way around.

 

[skechers]

To answer that question though, it's society. Our society in the US has taught us and raised us in a certain way. Part of that way includes the perception that certain parts of the body are sexual, obscene and off limits, so to speak. Since you can't change society, it's pointless to even try. Unfortunately, society controls the people, not the other way around.

That's horribly pessimistic, bordering on nihilsm. Of course, people who think like that can't change society.

The perceptions of populations on a whole, can be broadened. It just takes time and work. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle... these guys would agree with me.

Besides that doesn't answer my question. That question was; WHY were we made to believe these things are obscene. You're just telling me that, in the western mind, they are percieved as such, and I already know that much.

Mostly, I was being rhetorical.

 

[ChefChiTown]

That's horribly pessimistic, bordering on nihilsm. Of course, people who think like that can't change society.

The perceptions of populations on a whole, can be broadened. It just takes time and work. Socrates, Plato, Aristotle... these guys would agree with me.

Besides that doesn't answer my question. That question was; WHY were we made to believe these things are obscene. You're just telling me that, in the western mind, they are percieved as such, and I already know that much.

Mostly, I was being rhetorical.

The reason we live the way we live is because of how our society works. Society has changed many, many, many times over the years (in every culture, in every part of the world) and the way we live our lives is based on the societal changes that occur.

Why were we made to believe that these things are obscene? I just told you; SOCIETY. We live in a society that views breasts, penises and vaginas as being obscene. There are societies that don't have that view, but we do. If you are looking for a specific moment in time where that mentality all began, you're going to be asking that question until the day you die because there is no answer to that.

 

[skechers]

The reason we live the way we live is because of how our society works. Society has changed many, many, many times over the years (in every culture, in every part of the world) and the way we live our lives is based on the societal changes that occur.

Why were we made to believe that these things are obscene? I just told you; SOCIETY. We live in a society that views breasts, penises and vaginas as being obscene. There are societies that don't have that view, but we do. If you are looking for a specific moment in time where that mentality all began, you're going to be asking that question until the day you die because there is no answer to that.

Again, you miss my point, and then you make observations that don't matter. Like "society" was something tangible.... something more than just a pop-culture defined way to pigeon-hole everyone. Like society was the working of human minds in tandum.

The fact that we're even having this discussion disproves that notion.

How do you define this word... society? It seems to me, you think we all got together, at some point in history and said, hey... keep your shirts on, ladies. No, you won't find a specific date, but you can find certain... movements, and this is what I'm talking about... well, not really, because I was being rhetorical, but you missed that a second time, eitherway.

Let me rephrase. Why do we believe in a notion of society? Again, rhetorical, but I'll put a bow on it, so you can see my point. We believe in society because nature kind of... passive-aggressively persuade us that people should follow people. We must be lead to believe. We pigeon-hole ourselves, as it were.

But not if you can step outside the box, think for yourself for a moment. That's why nature gave us these heap big-um notions of individuality, right? We all CAN do it. It might involve stepping out of your comfort zone every now and then, maybe even contradicting ourselves, and ooooh, we all hate that, don't we. But we can get over it. Do the thinking that we need to do, to see the issues that need to be seen, in all things.

But our opinions, don't they just suck? Like... all the time? Hell. being the fool is better than believing the fool. Think for yourself.

But now, the question becomes, "why doesn't everyone do that? Think for themselves?" And the answer, I believe (and now I sound like the nihilst) human kind is bent on apathy. Often, we don't care enough to try, and that's gotta be nature fucking with us, because every other species on the planet cares about survival at all costs. And not just survival, but some measure of comfort. And although, most of the other creatures on this weird little planet don't have the same emotional faculties as us, if they did... considering what they do to survive, I'm sure they'd do the same, in order to be content.

Yes, but even that has it's flaws. They'd turn into us. They'd repress eachother... kill eachother over stupid things like belief, and imaginary lines on the land.

And now we're deeper down than we thought we'd go, in this little conversation.



So the last point I'll make is, if "society" defines the obscene, and we define the society... why can't we use a lil understanding... maybe RE-define it?


But I don't care anymore. I say, let em swing.

 

[SouthernSpice]

I voted yes but I suppose that if they ever did give us the right, it would be a personal opinion. I know some men that won't go shirtless in public but I also know some women, including me that would do it. Also some women that wouldn't do it.

 

[kurtman1]

I was in Argentina once and in one intersection street a beauty made a topless in front of all the cars, imagine the reaction.

 

[baron elkhorn]

Haven't any of you guys ever been to a topless or nude beach. There are a number of them in the united staes especially California and they're all over Europe. They have every kind of looking female from to teens laying around sunning topless and even nude. There's never been a rape or sexual harrassment problem publicized that I've ever heard or seen and its all happneing even now. All that topless in public would mean is expanding what's already been going on at beaches all over and in clubs everywhere from Vegas to the smallest topless bar anywhere,