The reason for buying a gun

[huppenkothen]

Needing a gun to defend my home is a strange concept from my point of view. I'd rather leave that to the police and/or consider moving into some more peacefull neighborhood. I live in a city of 2 million people and have allmost no memory of crimes happened here in the past 20 years where a gun would have been usefull or pre-emptive.

Collecting guns / family memorabilia, sportive reasons, hunting, or even the threat of wild animals in the ouskirts of civilization I can understand & agree with. However, one does not need a machine-gun or other military-grade weaponry to pursuit any of these.

I think an easy access to fire arms like in the USA is more bless for the criminals than an asset for the security of the ordinary people.

 

[Mariahxxx]

well the sad reality is that a thief with half a brain doesn't break into poor people's houses.

and your cavalier attitude towards crime is the perfect example. Your guard is down and you are the perfect target. My aunt and uncle live in Beverly Hills which is very low crime. They had someone force their way into their home dressed as detectives and then pistol whipped my uncle. it doesn't get much safer than Benedict Canyon in Beverly Hills but that was a horrible thing for them. Their feeling of home is gone now.

Let's hope you don't have a need to defend your home.

 

[Jack Davenport]

Beuerly hills... That's where i wanna be! In beverly Beverly Hills!

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Actually there was at least one 9mm revolver made, and it used a special "rim" that hels the rounds in place. I don't know what came of the idea, but I wasn't interested in 9mm revolvers so I never followed up.
I am aware of the rim difference, I do not know that a .45 revolver won't fire the same ammo as a .45 auto. How does that work?

Oh yeah, it can, and has been done. They use what's called a "half moon clip". The rounds slide in, at the rim, and are held in place partially by that, and the lip inside the cylinder. Ruger made a single action Black Hawk in .357 magnum that had an extra cylinder that took 9mm rounds, and S&W currently makes a revolver that takes .40 S&W or 10mm, Revolvers are a little more forgiving on VERY minor tolerances, then autos...that's why you can put a longer .357mag. and put a slightly shorter .38 special in it, but not so much that you can put a .38 short, or .38 super (which is a semi auto round). But a .380 ACP, is much shorter then a 9mm, so I don't believe they make one that is interchangeable. You can't put a .40 S&W in a 10mm either, if it's an auto loading pistol, BUT a .357 Sig round, CAN be fired out of a .40 S&W pistol, if you change the barrel. The magazines, and slide work, JUST THE BARREL needs to be switched out.

The basic premise of operation is, with a revolver, the rim, and the lip in the cylinder hold the casing, as the firing pin strikes the round, and won't allow it to move. When expelled, you simply eject them, as I'm sure you know how to do. The semi auto however, has that bevel on the case, as the slide stripes a round off, that little thing you see running along the ejection port, is called an extractor. That is also the "hook" like object you see inside, when the slide is pulled back. When a round stripes off, that extractor slips behind the rim, into that bevel...and it actually is timed to slip behind, and not pop over it...NEVER put a round in the chamber, and close the slide, to get the "extra" round in your gun, chamber it with the slide, then put one more in the magazine...you'll wear out the extractor doing it the other way. Anyhow, that, and the lip in the chamber, as the weapon goes into battery, hold the case in place, as the round is discharged, and as the slide comes back, the extractor throws the empty out, and it repeats. That's why the empty case tumbles as it comes out, because it's being yanked out, on the one side.

Revolvers chambered for .45 ACP headspace the round just like a 1911 -- on the case mouth. It is perfectly safe with .45 ACP ammo, with and without the so-called full-moon and half-moon clips or with the thicker-rimmed .45 Auto Rim cartridges.



I checked.

I'm not sure...I would like to see that. The S&W model 25 uses moon clips...which I just realized you knew about..sorry.


If you meant something else, I need a more specific question.

 

[bobjustbob]

Assari: I do not think that the Finnish Olympic athletes keep their weapons at home.

Bob: You don't think the Finnish shooting team have guns at their homes? Please expand on that statement.

Assari: (insert sound of crickets cherping)



I think Assari is the only person in the world that has never seen the below Monty Python video. I've posted it at least 4 times on this site alone.

 

[Philbert]

Oh yeah, it can, and has been done. They use what's called a "half moon clip". The rounds slide in, at the rim, and are held in place partially by that, and the lip inside the cylinder. Ruger made a single action Black Hawk in .357 magnum that had an extra cylinder that took 9mm rounds, and S&W currently makes a revolver that takes .40 S&W or 10mm, Revolvers are a little more forgiving on VERY minor tolerances, then autos...that's why you can put a longer .357mag. and put a slightly shorter .38 special in it, but not so much that you can put a .38 short, or .38 super (which is a semi auto round). But a .380 ACP, is much shorter then a 9mm, so I don't believe they make one that is interchangeable. You can't put a .40 S&W in a 10mm either, if it's an auto loading pistol, BUT a .357 Sig round, CAN be fired out of a .40 S&W pistol, if you change the barrel. The magazines, and slide work, JUST THE BARREL needs to be switched out.

The basic premise of operation is, with a revolver, the rim, and the lip in the cylinder hold the casing, as the firing pin strikes the round, and won't allow it to move. When expelled, you simply eject them, as I'm sure you know how to do. The semi auto however, has that bevel on the case, as the slide stripes a round off, that little thing you see running along the ejection port, is called an extractor. That is also the "hook" like object you see inside, when the slide is pulled back. When a round stripes off, that extractor slips behind the rim, into that bevel...and it actually is timed to slip behind, and not pop over it...NEVER put a round in the chamber, and close the slide, to get the "extra" round in your gun, chamber it with the slide, then put one more in the magazine...you'll wear out the extractor doing it the other way. Anyhow, that, and the lip in the chamber, as the weapon goes into battery, hold the case in place, as the round is discharged, and as the slide comes back, the extractor throws the empty out, and it repeats. That's why the empty case tumbles as it comes out, because it's being yanked out, on the one side.




I'm not sure...I would like to see that. The S&W model 25 uses moon clips...which I just realized you knew about..sorry.


If you meant something else, I need a more specific question.

I only had a .38 wheel gun, all my other arms were auto pistols and semi auto (AK 47 Beijing made); I never thought about how a .45 auto round could be fired in a .modern .45 revolver...now I know.
I like the dependability of a revolver, but I love 9-14 rounds of hellfire coming from me to whoever.

 

[assari]

I don't own a gun. Why? Because It's a pain in the ass to have one.

I've lived and worked in NYC, rural NY, and now in NJ. At no time have I ever fealt that I needed a gun to anywhere that I have traveled. I have, and continue to travel to Camden, Philly, Newark, Asbury Park, Yonkers, Atlantic City and other dangerous places.

You don't think the Finnish shooting team have guns at their homes? Please expand on that statement.

-I do not own a gun because I do not need it, but I have many knifes and if I find spoils of war gun it is also my property, I think. (wtf)

-Your hometown is a very famous place and if you believe reports it is also dangerous, but those stories maybe just rumors.

-I have never know any Finns who carries a gun or maintain the gun at home so I do not know why an athelete would do that.

But exceptions confirm the rule.

 

[assari]

I think Assari is the only person in the world that has never seen the below Monty Python video. I've posted it at least 4 times on this site alone.

I have heard that name many times, but I do not understand his humor.

You need to know English in order to understand it.

 

[Chopper3000]

Never owned a gun, never held a gun, never fired a gun and long may that continue. In the UK no-one can own a fire arm and I'm more than happy with that as I don't wish to own one ever! We do however have to respect US law which allows everyone to arm themselves. I would also say I've been to the USA a number of times and never had any trouble, but seen loads of guns. It's a fucked up world.

I'll stick with my cricket bat.

 

[assari]

Never owned a gun, never held a gun, never fired a gun and long may that continue. In the UK no-one can own a fire arm and I'm more than happy with that as I don't wish to own one ever!

Congratulations.

England goverment is able to make good decisions and if the others think like you gun accidents are a rarity soon.

In general many people say that goverment makes us slaves if we do not own guns, but I think it is an exaggeration. :1orglaugh

 

[Chopper3000]

I think you'll find that it's the BRITISH government.

 

[assari]

I think you'll find that it's the BRITISH government.

Sorry, I meant the island, not the whole empire.

 

[Chopper3000]

Sorry, I meant the island, not the whole empire.

The island is the empire now and it's never been called England.

 

[assari]

The island is the empire now and it's never been called England.

British people do not use that word, but the Finns use it when we talk about your country.

"Lähden Englantiin au-pairiksi", Englanti on sumujen saari", Haluan matkustaa Englantiin ja syödä fish and chips, "Mennään bussilla kuten siinä Englantilaisessa tv- sarjassa" Pullopojat oli hyvä Englantilainen tv- sarja" etc.

It is probably wrong to use that word, but people do so.

 

[Chopper3000]

British people do not use that word, but the Finns use it when we talk about your country.

"Lähden Englantiin au-pairiksi", Englanti on sumujen saari", Haluan matkustaa Englantiin ja syödä fish and chips, "Mennään bussilla kuten siinä Englantilaisessa tv- sarjassa" Pullopojat oli hyvä Englantilainen tv- sarja" etc.

It is probably wrong to use that word, but people do so.

Carry on it will piss off the Scots & Northern Irish. The Welsh do not count as they are a principality and as such owned by the English

 

[Rattrap]

In the UK no-one can own a fire arm and I'm more than happy with that as I don't wish to own one ever!

That's not entirely true; you can own one in the UK as a member of a gun club (subject to council-specific limitations on what sort of guns are permitted). In other words, one can still use them for sport.

 

[wdoall]

And you dont Want to kiss off the Scots and the Irish

 

[assari]

Carry on it will piss off the Scots & Northern Irish. The Welsh do not count as they are a principality and as such owned by the English

I understand because I am aware of the British - Irish hostilities.




^

When I say English people I mean the people who live in this region.

 

[huppenkothen]

Some Stats from 2007/2012:



Seems to me the Finns are well armed

 

[assari]

Some Stats from 2007/2012:

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Seems to me the Finns are well armed

^

If that chart is true then the Finns do not tell each other that they own guns.