The Biden Presidency

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
Historically, the party in power typically loses seats in the midterms anyway. It was critical for them to gain seats in 2020 in order to provide a buffer. Even if things improve, the Dems will have a tough time.



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I think it's way better to have a guy that naps from time to time at the rudder than a guy that is mad and spits out lies left and right
Is it too much to ask for someone who can stay awake at the wheel but not actively trying to crash the vehicle?
Those two traits shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
 

Supafly

Retired Mod
Bronze Member
Is it too much to ask for someone who can stay awake at the wheel but not actively trying to crash the vehicle?
Those two traits shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
The captain isn't actually doing the driving and steering. He points in the right directions, and his crew does the details needed
 
Let's not forget, this is with Joe having the Federal government trifecta. If the midterms go as bad as his first year in office, he might lose that, so if he thought things are bad now, they're gonna get a lot worse.
Really, at this point I would say in all practicality the Republicans hold the senate 52 to 48. Even some of the other 48 are probably are secretly happy Manchin and Sinema are talking the heat off of them so they don't have to vote against the Democrats own agenda themselves. They can pretend to keep their voters happy while having their donors get what they want.

In any case at some point the Democrats have to actually do something, or at least baring that start fighting like hell. Yes, flowery worlds aren't enough to keep people from being pissed nothing is getting done. At some point they have to actually start doing stuff. Are the Republicans obstructing to an obscene degree? Yes. On the other hand are most of the Democrats trying very hard? Nope. Biden needed to start going apocalyptic on dumbasses like Manchin some time ago, and told the Republicans to screw off instead of the make nice reach across the isle shit he thinks will work. The Democrats get cowed instead of going all crusader like they should.

Could that have made those two lose re-election in the future, maybe, but as it's going I don't see how it turns out much different in one form or another. Now the Democrats will both not get what they want and will increase the chances they lose more as more of their supporters sit home on election night. The Democrats don't have the level of demagoguery or the irrational fear of pretend boogyman like immigrants and Critical Race Theory that will drive the mindless masses to the voting booth like the Republicans do. They need substantive policy issues that make people's lives better, and they can't be bothered to try and deliver them.

I don't think Republicans made gains as much as Democratic supporters turned back to apathy.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
The captain isn't actually doing the driving and steering. He points in the right directions, and his crew does the details needed

I think it's way better to have a guy that naps from time to time at the rudder than a guy that is mad and spits out lies left and right
Right on.

My bar is low: Everyday that Donald Trump is not president, Joe is doing the job I voted him to do.
 
My bar is low: Everyday that Donald Trump is not president, Joe is doing the job I voted him to do.
That's the problem. He was basically elected for not being trump. Not because he was necessarily the best Dem for the job (I could think of at least a few who would have been much better). That strategy backfired "bigly" during the recent elections where the dems continued to rely on trump being some bogyman they can blame. But that doesn't work when he's no longer in office and you've been in power for 10 months.

Getting elected was playing on easy mode. Now it's the actual game, and we're seeing all of joe's the weaknesses that were glossed over in the rush to oust trump.

I don't think Republicans made gains as much as Democratic supporters turned back to apathy.
Pretty much everything D-rock said. The dems & joe need to get their shit together and fast.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
https://finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/maybe-biden-should-quit-while-hes-ahead-200343146.html

No, Biden should not quit.


The author’s points out: Dems need to stop acting “as if Biden’s win in 2020 was something much more than a rejection of Donald Trump’s corrupt presidency.”

The center repudiated Trump, it did not embrace progressivism in 2020. It was not a progressive, or even liberal, wave. We claim to like the center - some lean left and others right - but get frustrated when we hear how it plays out.

I believe some Senators overplayed their hand to stroke their own egos. Get a reasonable compromise and move on. No need to drag out the drama in order to get a little more. Heck, Mitch even voted for infrastructure.
 
Biden is one of the more to the right Democrats in the party, and the right still hate him as about as much as they would if Bernie were president. He's damn near the definition of center in American politics. (worldwide he would be considered pretty far right)

The compromise just plain sucks, and that's why nobody likes the bill, and damn near no average joe of any persuasion gives much of a damn about it. I can't say I blame them. Any parts people really wanted, and even more, needed that would benefit the most people in the most impactful way were striped out a long time ago. I'm not just talking about people to the left, but even things poor Republicans might have liked were kicked to the curb. Hell you give Republicans a list of things without telling them a party affiliation of where they come from and they like a large number of progressive economic measure also.

When there is a compromise on a compromise of somebody's compromise that was already compromised where at each step things only gets stripped down from it to the point what's left is both inadequate and theater to maybe gain some half-assed PR it's past the point of being reasonable.

Worse, anything passed now will just be used against anything that even has a hope of passing for years to come no matter how much it's needed. Too many politicans will just point to it and say people got something, they already did blah blah blah, proclaim people should just be grateful for what they got, and wash their hands of it. It will be used as a tool against any further change.
 
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Let's lighten the mood a little
You have admit, farting loudly in front of the British royals at a climate conference talking about reducing gas emissions... the jokes write themselves.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
You are correct. Republicans will not like Biden under any circumstance. I am speaking of the ~30% who are centrist/independent. That is the coalition he put together and is trying to keep together.
 

gmase

Nattering Nabob of Negativism
The amusing part about Joe’s approval rating - it is higher than Trump’s at the same point. Granted, not being as bad as Trump is not the correct measure.
 

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