Should Muslim workers receive special privileges at their places of work?

[Bloodshot Scott]

MCeeeeeee, did you even WATCH the video (and read the captions)?

The kids had made their life the habitual terrorism of the locals, and basically (maybe half -heartedly/jokingly) said they would grow up to be career criminals.

If this were European or American natives you would throw a hissy fit, you fucking hypocrite!

And I was dead serious with the post you quoted. Absolutely.

 

[abrogate]

On topic - if there has to be more than reasonable accommodations made then the person can't perform the job. This is regardless of what religion. If you can't do the job because of your religious needs you have to find another one.

 

[emceeemcee]

The kids had made their life the habitual terrorism of the locals,

and?

are you seriously going to argue that being a cunt in one's youth is something exclusive to 'foreigners'?

and basically (maybe half -heartedly/jokingly) said they would grow up to be career criminals.

omfg, they said some shit. Undoubtedly legitimate grounds for round-the- clock state surveillance of them and their families who should all be considered threats to national security until proven otherwise!


Obviously this has more to do with you your fear and hatred of immigrants, who you wanted to see treated differently from everybody else when they commit crimes or don't behave accordingly.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

and?

are you seriously going to argue that being a cunt in one's youth is something exclusive to 'foreigners'?



omfg, they said some shit. Undoubtedly legitimate grounds for round-the- clock state surveillance of them and their families who should all be considered threats to national security until proven otherwise!


Obviously this has more to do with you your fear and hatred of immigrants, who you wanted to see treated differently from everybody else when they commit crimes or don't behave accordingly.

Nope, no different than I, an American, or a European little shit would be treated in Turkey if we treated the locals the same way these little abominations have in Europe.

Double standard much, MCeeeeee?

SORRY, but, if you "adopt" a new country you ARE going to be held to a different standard. It's as simple as that. We don't accept Sharia Law in America even though Mooslums practice it in many places. We don't accept arranged marriages for 13 year olds from Southeast Asians in America. Is that bigoted and racist as well?

 

[emceeemcee]

Nope, no different than I, an American, or a European little shit would be treated in Turkey if we treated the locals the same way these little abominations have in Europe.

:1orglaugh what does that have to do with anything?

we're not talking about turkey's legal system and what would happen if you or I broke the law there, we're talking about how youths who break the law in a western country should be treated.

You are advocating that a domestic crime such as the assault documented in the video should now be regarded as an act of terrorism, thus effectively converting a liberal western democracy into a totalitarian state. If you arguing that this new legal amendment should be applied only to immigrants then you are advocating the creation of a fascist state.

SORRY, but, if you "adopt" a new country you ARE going to be held to a different standard. It's as simple as that.

Of course you are going to hold those people to a different standard, if you're are a racist.

One set of rules for one group and another set for the other group means you are advocating state sanctioned racial prejudice, not western ideas about justice.

We don't accept Sharia Law in America even though Mooslums practice it in many places. We don't accept arranged marriages for 13 year olds from Southeast Asians in America. Is that bigoted and racist as well?

you're rambling

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

:1orglaugh what does that have to do with anything?

we're not talking about turkey's legal system and what would happen if you or I broke the law there, we're talking about how youths who break the law in a western country should be treated.

You are advocating that a domestic crime such as the assault documented in the video should now be regarded as an act of terrorism, thus effectively converting a liberal western democracy into a totalitarian state. If you arguing that this new legal amendment should be applied only to immigrants then you are advocating the creation of a fascist state.



Of course you are going to hold those people to a different standard, if you're are a racist.

One set of rules for one group and another set for the other group means you are advocating state sanctioned racial prejudice, not western ideas about justice.



you're rambling

You are expected to live up to more demanding standards if you move into a foreigners nation, that's just proper logic. That includes Poles, Swedes, Italians or Russians. Do you honestly think I would be critical of these people if they weren't a hindrance to European culture, values and norms? Seriously. This is an epidemic and the video I posted was but one example of hundreds.

And the initial point was a valid one: if a Westerner "adopts" a Middle Eastern or Turkish nation (or any other nation for that matter) there is NO EVIDENCE they behave in such a fashion as the youth in the vid.

 

[STDiva]

If you want prayer time, tell your employer before he hires you. If the employer is cool with letting you peace out a couple times a day to pray, I'm cool with it.

Are employers allowed to ask about religious practices? If not, they should be.

No special rooms though. That's a ridiculous demand.

 

[Bunshichi]

Im not a Mod or anything, but maybe I can act as intermediary between you guys. Bloodshot Scott answered pretty emotional on the video, which is understandable, its hard not to hate people like this. And like I said before, its true that Germany and other European countries have that some problems with a significant number of Turkish and Arab immigrants(not all of course, quite some Arabs come to Germany to study for example) but also Albanian for example, whereas they dont have that problem with immigrants from other countries, like China or India or even non-Arab African Immigrants. These are just the facts, without pointing out the reasons. And its not even a question of religion, because most Indonesian are Muslims too, and they arent "trouble makers" in Europe. So this discussion is not really relevant to this thread.
Of course monitoring criminal youngsters, if immigrants or not, is no proper response to that behavior. 1. It wouldnt even be possible, or way too expensive to monitor thousand and tenthousand of people like that 2. It wouldnt solve any of these problems, just putting those young people even further away from the host society and just waiting to get them jailed. Dont get me wrong, of course they should be punished for shit like this. But if you really start monitoring people on that big scale, the government could eventually start monitoring everybody they want to. I think that was the point emceeemcee wanted to show.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Of course monitoring criminal youngsters, if immigrants or not, is no proper response to that behavior. 1. It wouldnt even be possible, or way too expensive to monitor thousand and tenthousand of people like that 2. It wouldnt solve any of these problems, just putting those young people even further away from the host society and just waiting to get them jailed. Dont get me wrong, of course they should be punished for shit like this. But if you really start monitoring people on that big scale, the government could eventually start monitoring everybody they want to. I think that was the point emceeemcee wanted to show.

My money would be on that they are on some sort of list at some agency in Germany. We know there are stealth-like programs like that in America, so it's not crazy to think such things are going to happen.

Gloating that when you grow up you are going to be a professional thief and robber isn't going to get in the good wishes of authorities, I can assure you. They've been 'red flagged,' I'd imagine.

But I won't drag that out anymore. The moral and question of the thread was on the basis of the link in the SP I posted here (that's 'second post').

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

:1orglaugh what does that have to do with anything?

we're not talking about turkey's legal system and what would happen if you or I broke the law there, we're talking about how youths who break the law in a western country should be treated.

You are advocating that a domestic crime such as the assault documented in the video should now be regarded as an act of terrorism, thus effectively converting a liberal western democracy into a totalitarian state. If you arguing that this new legal amendment should be applied only to immigrants then you are advocating the creation of a fascist state.



Of course you are going to hold those people to a different standard, if you're are a racist.

One set of rules for one group and another set for the other group means you are advocating state sanctioned racial prejudice, not western ideas about justice.



you're rambling

Actually, you're the one who's rambling and the topic is about accommodation of workers in the U.S.

You want to wander off the reservation in order to mount another ridiculous defense of Islam and now you're getting your butt handed to you.


It looks like this isn't the fight you want to pick, especially when it comes to whether a request for accommodation is reasonable or unreasonable.

 

[emceeemcee]

You are expected to live up to more demanding standards if you move into a foreigners nation

Let's get this clear: YOU expect them to, not the law. There is no 2 tier justice system in Europe. People who single out ethnic groups and think they should be treated differently from the rest of the population are racists.

And the initial point was a valid one: if a Westerner "adopts" a Middle Eastern or Turkish nation (or any other nation for that matter) there is NO EVIDENCE they behave in such a fashion as the youth in the vid.

'no evidence'

Apparently westerners backing dictators in those countries then invading them, killing heaps of the locals and attempting to control it's natural resources doesn't count.


What a disturbed worldview you have.

 

[emceeemcee]

huurrp derp hurpety durpp durpp herrrrrp derp

:goodpost:

 

[BadNewsBewes]

No special rights should be allowed to Muslims. They pray 6 times a day, so its too bad with the prayer times that fall under work hours and have to be left out. Its not like there are no further opportunites to roll out the prayer mats that day.

Smoke breaks are an entirely different scenario as they concern the health of non smokers in the building.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

No special rights should be allowed to Muslims. They pray 6 times a day, so its too bad with the prayer times that fall under work hours and have to be left out. Its not like there are no further opportunites to roll out the prayer mats that day.

Smoke breaks are an entirely different scenario as they concern the health of non smokers in the building.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Religion is way more important than smoking though

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Let's get this clear: YOU expect them to, not the law. There is no 2 tier justice system in Europe. People who single out ethnic groups and think they should be treated differently from the rest of the population are racists.

Not a double standard in that sense, but of course there is going to be an increase in scrutiny if they have a history of fucking off the locals. Their history of behavior has given them this bad rep. It's exactly why we scrutinize those of Middle Eastern descent more than others. Not racist you bald-face liar.

Apparently westerners backing dictators in those countries then invading them, killing heaps of the locals and attempting to control it's natural resources doesn't count.

Western leaders. Since our leaders are both the ones getting our people killed in wars (and yes, killing people in foreign countries) and inviting third worlders to replace them, you probably know how I feel about them, Ace.

And please, show me an example of large groups from the West that goes abroad and apes out on the locals. If groups of my people went abroad and aped out on foreigners I would be appalled and rightfully call them on it. You are avoiding the fact this tends to be a Middle-Eastener construct/behavior/way of life.

 

[BadNewsBewes]

Religion is way more important than smoking though

It's not about the importance of smoking. A comparison was made in the thread about smoke breaks not being complained about in the same way. Smoke breaks are not entirely for the smokers benefit though, they are to stop the passive smoking of others in the building.

Prayer breaks are only for the muslims benefit. Their religion is an excuse to do as they please. Missing 1-2 prayer times per day during work hours won't exactly destroy their religion.:2 cents:

 

[Henrik Larsson]

It's not about the importance of smoking. A comparison was made in the thread about smoke breaks not being complained about in the same way. Smoke breaks are not entirely for the smokers benefit though, they are to stop the passive smoking of others in the building.

Prayer breaks are only for the muslims benefit. Their religion is an excuse to do as they please. Missing 1-2 prayer times per day during work hours won't exactly destroy their religion.:2 cents:

I still believe if smokers get breaks then, muslims deserve breaks

 

[BadNewsBewes]

I still believe if smokers get breaks then, muslims deserve breaks

Yeah, broken arms, legs etc.:stir::jk:

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Religion is way more important than smoking though

This is the guy that gets nominated for member of the week.

I wonder how many times Trident1, Meesterperfect or Bloodshot Scott have won it?

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

I still believe if smokers get breaks then, muslims deserve breaks

Many jobs don't even allow smoking on company property anymore. This comparison with smoke breaks (which aren't even guaranteed) and a daily commitment to allow praying is weak. They can go pray (or is it prey?) in a broom closet during their lunch break if they get a lunch break.