Protecting your home
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until you get shot for being unrealistic
vodkazvictim
Why save the world, when you can rule it?
I'd rather get screwed by the cops than murdered by a home invader.
You can "make" an automatic weapon with nothing more than a file. But whether you bastardize/ruin a semi-auto and make it fully auto or convert one with some "Google blueprints", all you're doing is creating something that is not designed for sustained automatic fire... and it'll eventually fail (and maybe kill you). Also there's the distinct possibility that you'll be able to share the story of how you made this weapon... with the other inmates in Federal prison. Even touching an illegal weapon (or a silencer) can earn you a visit from the BATF - as a friend of mine found out. Holding the item in your hand qualifies as "possession".
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Hence why I just talked about it. The blueprints on a site I saw were friggin unbelievable; very likely looked like it would produce an authentic, working automatic. For the life of me I can't find that site anymore though. I am sure the ATF took it down? :dunno:
I know for a fact if I purchased the blueprints I'd immediately be flagged by the Feds. BTW, I am a law-abiding, legal gun owner. I was merely pointing the former out. Of course if you purchase the Anarchy Cookbook (and so forth) you are likely going to raise a red flag. It IS crazy, though, some of the stuff/info you can get on the 'Net today.
BTW, there is a forum out there somewhere (also hard to find) which is basically an anarchy cookbook-type site. Dudes were posting pics of molotov cocktails and stuff like that. I didn't want to get involved with that site either, for obvious reasons.
Forgive me, I'm lazy an haven't read all responses. In the US, it depends on State an City laws. States like Florida have laws like the Castle Doctrine that give you forceful authority over your property. Other states, cities an counties demand that your obligation to be to flee from threat if possible.
In Texas, a man wasn't charged for shooting two burglars in the back after they fled his neighbor's home. Yet in Suffolk County, New York, a man was convicted for shooting an intruder who wielded a machete during a robbery. There's no Federal law on the matter.
Well, I own guns and have a permit to carry concealed. I've taken a a number of home and self defense courses and, given that, I can honestly say that I don't know. It's a matter of situation.
My main goal is to clear my property of all threats and my secondary goal is to do so without discharging my firearm. But in a real life scenario, I would, in fact, neutralize anyd intruder who either didn't flee or offer a clear surrender.
I hope that never happens for many reasons, but morally, I'm obliged to put my life and the life of my loved ones above those who should attempt to seize my property (or the lives and dignity of my family) without regard to safety of others and individual sovereignty.
I have an incredible respect for life, but I put that of myself and my loved ones above any who contest it.
well put my friend, completely agree
That was Joe Horn. I talked about him earlier. Can't believe he didn't get convicted of something, but Texas is a different world altogether. It is, afterall, the capital punishment capital of the world. :surprise:
you scare me at times
Last I read, they have laws that legalize killing a cop who arrests you under a false arrest pretense. The law, as I read, stems from the cattle baron days and has yet to be applied as a defense. But there is a charm to that notion. Maybe not in a practical way, but in a philosophical one.
I read that in an article related to Horn right after the incident. I'm not sure who accurate it is.
Found this article on him. It's a bit of a stretch going onto someone elses' property to shoot two robbers dead as they LEFT the property after the police operator specifically told him to stay away although he was quoted as saying "I'm going to kill them". I think this was more about retribution than self defense and heading down a slippery path to vigilantism which is not ideal in any progressive society.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-496786/Texan-faces-charge-killing-burglars.html
Again, it goes back to cowboy days when property was regularly contested by those of ill repute. I'd go out on a limb and say that even most staunch self defense advocates don't cite this as an example of how self defense laws should operate.
The last thing I remember about that was the rally the Hell's Angles had for him when Quanell X, New Black Panther leader/charlatan showed up and started to raise some trouble. It was classic. The Angels were all reving their loud as choppers and scared the living shit out of Quanell and his trouble makers. Also all his neighbors showed a lot of support and solidarity in the crowd as well.
Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZ9s0ZBAu8
I think he might have went too far, but the bottom line is they broke into property. There might have been some underlying racial issues with his shooting, but I don't know. I would think if they were Caucasian he would still have shot them. Perhaps he should've held them up for authorities, but again, it's spur of the moment and that is all we can speculate. I got family in Texas. I only hope they are armed because it is a very violent state in terms of criminals.
5.56 or 7.62? I dunno, there's been case after case of Ohioans firing with minimal assumption of threat. I can't recall any charges otherwise. Ohio DAs seem to realize they can't get away with that shit.
I live in an apartment, so 230 grain .45 JHP is what I have ready. But, you know, a Bushy with a 30rd mag would probably inspire some confidence in the situation.
I'm not sure about all the states' laws, but my dad lives in the North and he has a C&C, but it's expensive to keep the license. He only got it because he said he wanted to show the liberals who said he can't or shouldn't have the right to own one needed a message sent. :dunno:
5.56 for the Bushie. I have a .308 but that's plain overkill.
I've heard that if you hit an intruder your firearm is confiscated so that leaves me wanting to use a crapper bolt action or used 9mm beater.
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