Obama: It's time for Libya's Gadhafi to go

[Hot Mega]

I don't remember being insistent on details, I think I only asked for rank and number or something, but it was a LONG time ago, so I can't remember exactly.

Well, whatever the case..point is if someone says they were in the military you either believe them or you don't when they tell you. I'm not sure why someone would have an incentive to lie about something like that on this board. But in either case I never saw the point of asking them their rank, where they were stationed and branch as a matter of proving something as anyone with half a brain can correlate those answers or even use someone else's info they happen to know and prattle it off. I don't come here to prove anything about my personal background to anyone...as it's pretty pointless and ridiculous to be debating someone who doesn't know you about what your or they've done in their lives.

If a guy claiming this doesn't sound credible then I suppose you take what he/she says with a grain of salt. Nagging and name calling is probably going to get you the ban hammer.

There was a time where I would respond in kind to name calling and baiting and silly shit like that. But here, the admin just wants you to let the mods do their jobs.:dunno:

 

[Trident1]

Mega you are so full of it. You can't even answer the simplest questions regarding military service. That's a RED FLAG. You claim to have served in the '80s yet you didn't know details about the third largest US operation overseas namely Eldorado Canyon.
You made the claim of military service not me. Therefore the burden is on you to prove your service.
Stop making continuous claims that you served, it's sickening and is a DISERVICE to those who have served or are currently serving in the armed forces.

 

[Ulysses31]

 

[CunningStunts]

*choke*


The local population are trying to overthrow one of the most vicious police states in the ME and over 1000 of them have paid for it with their lives. How many more civilian demonstrators have to get machine gunned down in the streets before they earn your respect as courageous individuals? 2,000? 20,000?


If you were condemned to a life in that shithole I imagine you would have rode in on battle cat and single handedly pwned all the bad guys years ago, right?

Sorry, I don't agree. Freedom must always be paid for in blood. I suppose most complacent Western societies have forgotten that fact, which explains why they hold it so cheaply these days. Best of luck to them, but I don't want one American life lost in that cause.:2 cents:

 

[Hot Mega]

Mega you are so full of it. You can't even answer the simplest questions regarding military service. That's a RED FLAG. You claim to have served in the '80s yet you didn't know details about the third largest US operation overseas namely Eldorado Canyon.
You made the claim of military service not me. Therefore the burden is on you to prove your service.
Stop making continuous claims that you served, it's sickening and is a DISERVICE to those who have served or are currently serving in the armed forces.

"Can't"???? You asked and I told you to pound sand because it was irrelevant to the point.

Show me where I 'didn't' know details. In fact, details wouldn't be widely known by just every swinging dick in the military of every operation. That just a dumb, ignorant conclusion or more double talk. (Frankly, I don't think you even know how to talk straight). That information is widely disperse all over cyberspace now. What does knowing some detail prove. I never said I was involved in that op as 99 pct of the military probably wasn't either. You can prattle of this shit like stats on baseball cards but according to you ..you didn't serve so what does that prove? Everyone knows all you do is double talk once you get dusted on the points of a discussion.

Trident: The military budget doubled in '81.

'Mega: No it didn't. In fact, it didn't double at any time during Reagan's presidency and Reagan's first budget wasn't until FY '82 anyway.

Trident: My bad. Well, Uh, Reagan procured, designated, blah blah blah stealth.

'Mega: Really? How so when the contract was awarded in '78 and thing first flew before Reagan signed a single budget.

Trident: Uh, uh, uh..you probably weren't even around during Reagan presidency.

'Mega: "Around"? Sorry wrong again. I was actually in his military.

Trident: What was your blah blah blah blah...

'Mega: What the fuck does that matter?? Pound sand.

Trident: AHAH!!! I trapped you in a lie!!!:nanner:

'Mega: AHAH!!! You're trapped in the body of an imbecile!

 

[Trident1]

"Can't"???? You asked and I told you to pound sand because it was irrelevant to the point.

Show me where I 'didn't' know details. In fact, details wouldn't be widely known by just every swinging dick in the military of every operation. That just a dumb, ignorant conclusion or more double talk. (Frankly, I don't think you even know how to talk straight). That information is widely disperse all over cyberspace now. What does knowing some detail prove. I never said I was involved in that op as 99 pct of the military probably wasn't either. You can prattle of this shit like stats on baseball cards but according to you ..you didn't serve so what does that prove? Everyone knows all you do is double talk once you get dusted on the points of a discussion.

Trident: The military budget doubled in '81.

'Mega: No it didn't. In fact, it didn't double at any time during Reagan's presidency and Reagan's first budget wasn't until FY '82 anyway.

Trident: My bad. Well, Uh, Reagan procured, designated, blah blah blah stealth.

'Mega: Really? How so when the contract was awarded in '78 and thing first flew before Reagan signed a single budget.

Trident: Uh, uh, uh..you probably weren't even around during Reagan presidency.

'Mega: "Around"? Sorry wrong again. I was actually in his military.

Trident: What was your blah blah blah blah...

'Mega: What the fuck does that matter?? Pound sand.

Trident: AHAH!!! I trapped you in a lie!!!:nanner:

'Mega: AHAH!!! You're trapped in the body of an imbecile!

The fact that you continuously claim military service in the '80s and are unable to answer the most basic questions regarding your "service" presents an enormous red flag. You can't even decide on what branch of service you "served" in.
You're ignorant of the third largest military event in the '80s for the US armed forces. Your only statement was that it was against a "fairly unarmed middle eastern/north African country". Anyone who served in the military in the '80s knows Libya's armed forces were more than that.

You go on to say "I have no respect for anyone willing to dishonor themselves by claiming of all things to have served in the military, parts of the military or operations and missions but didn't not. They're lower than whale shit to me."

Really.........how interesting. This coming from someone who can't answer any of the questions I've laid out. Sickening and wrong.

 

[Hot Mega]

The fact that you continuously claim military service in the '80s and are unable to answer the most basic questions regarding your "service" presents an enormous red flag. You can't even decide on what branch of service you "served" in.
You're ignorant of the third largest military event in the '80s for the US armed forces. Your only statement was that it was against a "fairly unarmed middle eastern/north African country". Anyone who served in the military in the '80s knows Libya's armed forces were more than that.

You go on to say "I have no respect for anyone willing to dishonor themselves by claiming of all things to have served in the military, parts of the military or operations and missions but didn't not. They're lower than whale shit to me."

Really.........how interesting. This coming from someone who can't answer any of the questions I've laid out. Sickening and wrong.

"Can't"? You asked and I told you it's irrelevant to the point and not your business. Just as who I've worked for, what were my titles while there and when I was there is not your business either.

You tried claiming who was around and who wasn't during Reagan's presidency and in point of fact I was in his military. You were just wrong about it (along with a ton of other shit you've asserted) get that through your noggin.

No amount of spinning is going to change that. I can see why you idlize Reagan so much. You're both keen on how to try and spin looking dumb.

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Trident: The military budget doubled in '81.

'Mega: No it didn't. In fact, it didn't double at any time during Reagan's presidency and Reagan's first budget wasn't until FY '82 anyway.

Trident: My bad. Well, Uh, Reagan procured, designated, blah blah blah stealth.

'Mega: Really? How so when the contract was awarded in '78 and thing first flew before Reagan signed a single budget.

Trident: Uh, uh, uh..you probably weren't even around during Reagan presidency.

'Mega: "Around"? Sorry wrong again. I was actually in his military.

Trident: What was your blah blah blah blah...

'Mega: What the fuck does that matter?? Pound sand.

Trident: AHAH!!! I trapped you in a lie!!!:nanner:

'Mega: AHAH!!! You're trapped in the body of an imbecile!

 

[saschaxx]

WTF - Don't tell me your are one of those... that think the US fights in the Middle East to take their oil - I only WISH we did that! Anyone that make a statement like that is a fool, if we took oil we would not be paying what we do now for gas!

The bastard Gadhafi should step down or be removed - hopefully in the form of his head from his body. All real men and country leaders should and would support this!

Muammar al-Gaddafi - has allowed and supported terrorism for far to long....

You´re doing WHAT ? You´re PAYING for gas ? For me it looks more like a present if I could pay the price that you´re paying. Over here we pay 1,55 EUROS for a LITRE of gas, the gallon has almost 3,7 Litres and the EUR. is up to almost 1,40 to the US-$ . So the calculation is ( here ) :
3,7 x 1,55 = 5,735 EUR. In US-$ = 5,735 x 1,40 = round US-$ 8,-- ( eight ) per Gallon.
If I had your gas-price I easily could drive a V- 12 . ( with carbs only ) .

So you said the US is NOT fighting in the Middle - east for the oil, ...why dont you explain me for WHAT the US is fighting there ? To bring them azzholes hamburgers, coke + the freedom of Disneyland with Abrams - tanks with lil trailers behind them ?

To let your own forces get pissed - on by some Extremist´s /Islamist´s ??

Sometimes I really wonder why they didn´t find yet Osama bin bullshit since almost 10 years .....

 

[mickeit]

Only thing everybody Knows in all over the world: The USA and Israel, don't have moral and influence to resolves this situation, the USA only uses the military forces to stolen the petroleo from lybians.

 

[vodkazvictim]

Well, whatever the case..point is if someone says they were in the military you either believe them or you don't when they tell you. I'm not sure why someone would have an incentive to lie about something like that on this board. But in either case I never saw the point of asking them their rank, where they were stationed and branch as a matter of proving something as anyone with half a brain can correlate those answers or even use someone else's info they happen to know and prattle it off. I don't come here to prove anything about my personal background to anyone...as it's pretty pointless and ridiculous to be debating someone who doesn't know you about what your or they've done in their lives.

If a guy claiming this doesn't sound credible then I suppose you take what he/she says with a grain of salt. Nagging and name calling is probably going to get you the ban hammer.

There was a time where I would respond in kind to name calling and baiting and silly shit like that. But here, the admin just wants you to let the mods do their jobs.:dunno:

I never served in the military, but I did work for a private military company: I was recon/mine clearance not combat.
I went ahead of patrols in Afghanistan with my hands over my ears, a pink hat saying I love men and a giant star of David on my chest, hands over my ears, stamping on the sand.
I miss my left big toe

"Can't"? You asked and I told you it's irrelevant to the point and not your business. Just as who I've worked for, what were my titles while there and when I was there is not your business either.

You tried claiming who was around and who wasn't during Reagan's presidency and in point of fact I was in his military. You were just wrong about it (along with a ton of other shit you've asserted) get that through your noggin.

No amount of spinning is going to change that. I can see why you idlize Reagan so much. You're both keen on how to try and spin looking dumb.

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Trident: The military budget doubled in '81.

'Mega: No it didn't. In fact, it didn't double at any time during Reagan's presidency and Reagan's first budget wasn't until FY '82 anyway.

Trident: My bad. Well, Uh, Reagan procured, designated, blah blah blah stealth.

'Mega: Really? How so when the contract was awarded in '78 and thing first flew before Reagan signed a single budget.

Trident: Uh, uh, uh..you probably weren't even around during Reagan presidency.

'Mega: "Around"? Sorry wrong again. I was actually in his military.

Trident: What was your blah blah blah blah...

'Mega: What the fuck does that matter?? Pound sand.

Trident: AHAH!!! I trapped you in a lie!!!:nanner:

'Mega: AHAH!!! You're trapped in the body of an imbecile!

This is fun to watch

 

[saschaxx]

@TyWalker :

I just found out in the Atlanta-area you´re paying about 3.30 to 3,40 US-$ per GALLON .

Looord in heaven, I could afford an ABRAMS with prices like this !!

So hopefully you´ll NEVER tell me NOTHING about gas-prices no more ...

 

[bigbreasts]

At least Reagan had the balls to respond to terrorists.

Yes, Reagan sold arms to Iran AND Iraq, the proceeds from the former were used to ILLEGALLY fund right wing terror groups in Central America.

My God you conservatards are fucking STUPID.

 

[Trident1]

Yes, Reagan sold arms to Iran AND Iraq, the proceeds from the former were used to ILLEGALLY fund right wing terror groups in Central America.

My God you conservatards are fucking STUPID.

The arms we sold Iran were for the release of hostages in Beirut. Germany, UK, France, Belgium sold more equipment to Iraq including components to make chemical weapons. We gave intel to Iraq on Iranian troop movements.

 

[emceeemcee]

Sorry, I don't agree. Freedom must always be paid for in blood. I suppose most complacent Western societies have forgotten that fact, which explains why they hold it so cheaply these days. Best of luck to them, but I don't want one American life lost in that cause.:2 cents:

So the Libyan protestors are a bunch of pussies for dying in droves because democracy can only be earned with blood. Makes plenty of sense.


at least your post didn't include any cliches about freedom and subtle hints about how the eurolosers don't have big balls like platitude spouting, NRA loving, light-unto-the-world right wing Americans....

 

[emceeemcee]

The arms we sold Iran were for the release of hostages in Beirut. Germany, UK, France, Belgium sold more equipment to Iraq including components to make chemical weapons. We gave intel to Iraq on Iranian troop movements.

and chemical and biological agents

n May 25, 1994, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[30]

The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[31]

Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said:

U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control sent Iraq 14 separate agents "with biological warfare significance," according to Riegle's investigators.[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Iran–Iraq_war#Chemical_and_Biological_exports

 

[Trident1]

and chemical and biological agents

So did Germany.
Singapore, Netherlands, Luxembourg gave precursors of Tabun, VX, Sarin, and mustard gas.
Spain and China sold Iraq munitions for chemical use.

 

[emceeemcee]

so the western powers are talking about a no-fly zone and all sorts of possible military action under the guise of protecting the population. Funny they didn't want to do the same with Egypt when protesters were being gunned down in the streets.


Moral of the story- get some oil if you want western 'protection'. Christ, it's just like a mafia.

 

[vodkazvictim]

@TyWalker :

I just found out in the Atlanta-area you´re paying about 3.30 to 3,40 US-$ per GALLON .

Looord in heaven, I could afford an ABRAMS with prices like this !!

So hopefully you´ll NEVER tell me NOTHING about gas-prices no more ...

Want the inside scoop on Abrams? Go to youtube, look up the real M1 Abrams and click on the vid by blacktail defense :tinhat:

so the western powers are talking about a no-fly zone and all sorts of possible military action under the guise of protecting the population. Funny they didn't want to do the same with Egypt when protesters were being gunned down in the streets.


Moral of the story- get some oil if you want western 'protection'. Christ, it's just like a mafia.

Yes it is like a mafia.
Not sure how a no fly zone can protect the civvies. You really need boots on the ground to control an area IMHO.
Glad to see people aren't forgetting Englands irresponsible role in selling WMD to tinpot dictators; with luck it'll ensure we never do it again.

 

[LaLiLuLeLohan]

how is this different the clinton and bush saying the same to saddam?
other than 2 presidents giving a verbal warning and 1 using military force.
i wonder what ron paul's opinion is on this kadaffi thing.

His opinion is that it's not an American matter and we should have nothing to do with it. The same philosophy he has regarding any foreign government or despot.

 

[Ulysses31]

'Protests? What protests' Ranting Gaddafi branded delusional after telling the world 'all my people love me'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tells-world-people-love-me.html#ixzz1FMC89c8V

Mission: The USS Enterprise sails through the Suez Canal in Egypt today as the U.S. was said to be moving warships and aircraft in response to Gaddafi

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tells-world-people-love-me.html#ixzz1FMCPnMk1