Nigerian attempts to blow up Northwest flight

Since you are such a great student of history, please inform us as to when any religious denomination group, faction or it's hierarchy has voluntarily given up power to the state, governing party or rulers.

And if you are such a believer in magical powers, why don't you pray for them to research the question and post the answer on here? I'm too busy with my guilt free - sin free life to spend any more time giving a shit about religion.

Let us know what the big fella thinks when you rap with him about this, will ya?
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
Or, like the major auto makers who figured it's cheaper to pay out wrongful death lawsuits than to spend the millions to retool a bad design (Ford and the Exploding Pinto), it's cheaper to have an occasional flaming jet fall from the sky than to seriously implement a zero-loss system. We got lots of Mommies and babies, Daddies and Uncle Teddies...we can spare a few hundred a year.
I mean, all the time consuming crap we do now has the Israeli experts laughing so hard that terrorists are getting through with I Love Jihad t-shirts on, and it didn't even slow down a Nigerian who paid for a 1 way ticket in cash, had no luggage, was on a watch list, and had explosive underwear on.:rofl:
Like the one guy said, OK, so now they'll assemble their devices an hour and a half before landing ...:thumbsup:

I commend Jason on coming up with a starting point. The only question I had was on the practicality of a system designed for one 10 million passenger/year airport and applying it to dozens of airports that carry 4-10 times that number of passengers annually. While the goal might be zero loss, the result might be zero loss... and an air transportation system that no longer functions. Where Israel basically has one international airport, we have many... and our airports are part of an inter and intranational system. A backup at one causes issues throughout the system. Look at how bad weather at JFK or O'Hare affects LAX, Charlotte or Atlanta.

If they could tweak what Jason is talking about and scale it, something along those lines might work. :dunno:
 

jasonk282

Banned
I commend Jason on coming up with a starting point. The only question I had was on the practicality of a system designed for one 10 million passenger/year airport and applying it to dozens of airports that carry 4-10 times that number of passengers annually. While the goal might be zero loss, the result might be zero loss... and an air transportation system that no longer functions. Where Israel basically has one international airport, we have many... and our airports are part of an inter and intranational system. A backup at one causes issues throughout the system. Look at how bad weather at JFK or O'Hare affects LAX.

If they could tweak what Jason is talking about and scale it, something along those lines might work. :dunno:

How about having the National Guard be stationed at the airports? that way we are not using the main military but iusing people that live and work in that community to actually protect that community. Just a though.
 
The obama administration is the shittiest and lamest administration USA ever had. :yesyes:
That nigerian should have been sent in the worst federal military prison and been given a muscular interrogation to see what were and are his motives of committing an act of terrorism.
Sorry George, gotta disagree. Obama is not remotely the worst President. Other than being a typical, political liar on many things during his campaign, and he's not the first or worst in that regard (not by a wide margin -- although I love seeing the apologists try to say otherwise now) -- he's actually doing the best he can. I would put him far more under a positive light than a negative one.

Most of his policies are unchanged from W., so you can't drag down Obama without taking W. right to the same hole. Obama has changed little on the economy, and -- to give Obama credit -- actively engaged W. while W. was still in office to tackle the problem and set a common, administration-to-administration transition so it would be smooth to try to minimize bumps. Understand I've disagreed with economic policies in the US since the '80s, and heavily so under the Democrat Congress - Clinton Presidency of '95 on-ward (especially major changes in '96-97), but I can't fault Obama for doing his best.

Putting aside the political non-sense that was laughable during his campaign and we all knew he wouldn't be able to keep, he's actually done far more than I expected, and should be commended. All the Republicans and right-wingers who complain about his fiscal policy should take a look at what W. was doing anyway, and how much the dollar was suffer. And we can go back before the Republican Congress and Clinton administration of the mid-to-late '90s and look into the Reagan years as well.

We've gone from capitalist to short-lived facist to flat-out, 100% consumer-based economy. We've pumped cash into banks, instead of just -- if we really want to be facists, but in a better way -- pump that into actual factories and production. Instead, we've tried to make consumers happy and keep the dollar strong, and it's a failed proposition that we'll see the horrendous fruits of by next year.

Hardly Obama's doing.

Shittier and lamer than the one who set free the alleged "mastermind" of this plot and who's no fly and terror watch list can keep US congress persons from flying but still can't stop terrorists?
6 years of war at nearly a trillion dollars in Iraq and terrorists are still walking aboard planes. Where is the Faux "News" expose'?:dunno:
I guarantee you won't find it.:crying:
Dude, why do you have to go there? W. isn't in office any more and statements like "terrorists are still walking aboard planes" doesn't still well against W. as much as it does Obama now.

Watch where you counter-step. ;)

I'm also honestly tired of the Democrats who thought Obama would pull us out of Afghanistan. As much as I have called Obama a hypocrite on many things, he wasn't one on Afghanistan in the least bit. He's been sticking to his word. Makes me wonder what speech Democrats were listening to about Afghanistan while he was campaigning.
 

Rey C.

Racing is life... anything else is just waiting.
How about having the National Guard be stationed at the airports? that way we are not using the main military but iusing people that live and work in that community to actually protect that community. Just a though.

As long as they had bomb sniffing dogs, I could see that.

I had to fly not long after 9/11. My traveling partner and I commented on all the soldiers we saw at the airport. Other than engaging a band of armed attackers in the terminal, we couldn't figure out what purpose they (really) served. I mean, I know it was basically a "show of force." But is some guy who is going to be blowing himself up in a coupl eof hours (along with a plane load of passengers)... is he really afraid of a guy with an M16? I just don't see it.

Something that I do think about... I hope it doesn't happen, though I suspect it will sooner or later, is a terrorist exploding a suicide bomb in something like a shopping mall. In all honesty, there's a greater chance that the pilot flying my plane is off his ass drunk than there being a guy with a shoe or underwear bomb on board. But think how easy it would be for some flake to walk into a mall during the holidays and do a Wile E. Coyote. The whole point of these attacks and attempts is to frighten us and make us act in extreme ways. A bomb on a plane? Yeah, that affects SOME people. But blow up a bunch of teens at a mall... that would really fuck with most all of us.

While we're busy trying to fortify the hard targets, I'm just afraid that the terrorists will do an end run and start picking off the easy targets.
 
How about having the National Guard be stationed at the airports? that way we are not using the main military but iusing people that live and work in that community to actually protect that community. Just a though.

There are those with far more training at airport security than the NG would ever be IMO in airports now. It would be just for show....or worse IMO

Dude, why do you have to go there? W. isn't in office any more and statements like "terrorists are still walking aboard planes" doesn't still well against W. as much as it does Obama now.

Watch where you counter-step. ;)
No need to watch it. The policies of invading Iraq, no fly and terror watch lists are the policies that have failed. Now it is definitely in Obama's court to fix those policies where they are found wanting.
I'm also honestly tired of the Democrats who thought Obama would pull us out of Afghanistan. As much as I have called Obama a hypocrite on many things, he wasn't one on Afghanistan in the least bit. He's been sticking to his word. Makes me wonder what speech Democrats were listening to about Afghanistan while he was campaigning.

I agree 100%.
 

jasonk282

Banned
As long as they had bomb sniffing dogs, I could see that.

I had to fly not long after 9/11. My traveling partner and I commented on all the soldiers we saw at the airport. Other than engaging a band of armed attackers in the terminal, we couldn't figure out what purpose they (really) served. I mean, I know it was basically a "show of force." But is some guy who is going to be blowing himself up in a coupl eof hours (along with a plane load of passengers)... is he really afraid of a guy with an M16? I just don't see it.

Something that I do think about... I hope it doesn't happen, though I suspect it will sooner or later, is a terrorist exploding a suicide bomb in something like a shopping mall. In all honesty, there's a greater chance that the pilot flying my plane is off his ass drunk than there being a guy with a shoe or underwear bomb on board. But think how easy it would be for some flake to walk into a mall during the holidays and do a Wile E. Coyote. The whole point of these attacks and attempts is to frighten us and make us act in extreme ways. A bomb on a plane? Yeah, that affects SOME people. But blow up a bunch of teens at a mall... that would really fuck with most all of us.

While we're busy trying to fortify the hard targets, I'm just afraid that the terrorists will do an end run and start picking off the easy targets.
Of course they will have k-9's. They need to be able to sniff out bomb making materials. We can even have the K-9s posted after everyone goes through the metal dectors, x ray machine and have the K-9 sniff the luggage and the person as a final measure of security.

In regard to your second paragraph that deals with malls etc.... I can tell you that without a shadow of doubt it is VERY EASY to just walk into a mall and stary spraying bullets everywhere. I know because I spend a good bit of my time looking to places to run for cover and where good insertation points are, one of my perks from PTSD.
 
And if you are such a believer in magical powers, why don't you pray for them to research the question and post the answer on here? I'm too busy with my guilt free - sin free life to spend any more time giving a shit about religion.

Let us know what the big fella thinks when you rap with him about this, will ya?

Yet you gave a shit enough to spout your B.S. earlier in this thread. :1orglaugh Ok Madame O'Hare?
 
Yet you gave a shit enough to spout your B.S. earlier in this thread. :1orglaugh Ok Madame O'Hare?


Eh? Are you saying that I was wrong about stating that the victories of science and rationality over religious nonsense were not grudingly relinquished by the fantasists?

Or are you saying that it is not a oft quoted line from the christianists that people like me are "lucky" that we don't get beheaded on camera for pointing out that an old book of fairy stories is not the fountain of all knowledge?

Or are you aware of a group of atheists congregating for the purpose of visiting violence upon their critics?

Let me know which combination of those items is the BS. Cheers!

Anyway, how did you get on when you closed your eyes and talked to that non evidentiary being? When he talks back to you does he really sound like Charlton Heston?
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
its simple. dont over anal-lize it.
the guy got passed security and got a bomb on the plane, and only due
to luck people werent killed.
So now Obamas acting pissed and napalitano says everything went well after the bomb didnt explode.
now what to do with the guy?
obviously life in jail.
but what about info?
the guy knows he's gonna do life so why should he talk?
what should be done to get info from him to perhaps prevent future attempts?
 
Eh? Are you saying that I was wrong about stating that the victories of science and rationality over religious nonsense were not grudingly relinquished by the fantasists?

Or are you saying that it is not a oft quoted line from the christianists that people like me are "lucky" that we don't get beheaded on camera for pointing out that an old book of fairy stories is not the fountain of all knowledge?

Or are you aware of a group of atheists congregating for the purpose of visiting violence upon their critics?

Let me know which combination of those items is the BS. Cheers!

Anyway, how did you get on when you closed your eyes and talked to that non evidentiary being? When he talks back to you does he really sound like Charlton Heston?

Oh your poor thing. It doesn't bother me in the least that you Atheist, but you certainly seem to have a chip on your shoulder in respect to your non-belief in a supreme bring. Try to follow along...

I have never witnessed any calls for public floggings of non-believers. But I am sorry that anyone who reminds you that your right to publically deny the existence of God wouldn't be possible in some societies. That is really the extent of your persecution and it ruffles your feathers. Bad Christian!

I didn't realize that science had disproved the existence of a supreme being once and for all. Link?

No my God's voice sounds like Fran Dreshere you silly twit.
 
Somali arrested at airport with chemicals, syringe

War ravaged Somalis can interdict nearly the exact same plot the Dutch couldn't? "Het Wilhelmus":rolleyes:

MOGADISHU, Somalia – U.S. officials are investigating a Somali man's alleged attempt to board a flight last month carrying chemicals, liquid and a syringe in a case bearing chilling echoes of the plot to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas Day.

Terrorism analysts said the arrest in Mogadishu, the Somali capital, could prove highly valuable for the Detroit investigation if the incidents turn out to be linked.
The Somali was arrested by African Union peacekeeping troops Nov. 13 before boarding the Daallo Airlines plane bound for the northern Somali city of Hargeisa, then Djibouti and Dubai.

"We don't know whether he's linked with al-Qaida or other foreign organizations, but his actions were the acts of a terrorist. We caught him red-handed," said a Somali police spokesman, Abdulahi Hassan Barise.

Continued at link...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091230/ap_on_re_af/af_somalia
 

Facetious

Moderated
its simple. dont over anal-lize it.
the guy got passed security and got a bomb on the plane, and only due
to luck people werent killed.
So now Obamas acting pissed and napalitano says everything went well after the bomb didnt explode.
now what to do with the guy?
obviously life in jail.
but what about info?
the guy knows he's gonna do life so why should he talk?
what should be done to get info from him to perhaps prevent future attempts?

He should have been hauled off by the FBI and transferred to gitmo for interrogation while there's still time †.... but noooo, this admin and the last admin to be quite honest, is fixated on the idea that these are law enforcement issues... WRONG !

Anytime you hear these bureaucrats mention anything about "bringing somebody to justice, chances are that the enemy combatant(s) will receive kid gloves treatment.

Military Tribunal all-the-way !! :thumbsup:
 
He should have been hauled off by the FBI and transferred to gitmo for interrogation while there's still time †.... but noooo, this admin and the last admin to be quite honest, is fixated on the idea that these are law enforcement issues... WRONG !

Anytime you hear these bureaucrats mention anything about "bringing somebody to justice, chances are that the enemy combatant(s) will receive kid gloves treatment.

Military Tribunal all-the-way !! :thumbsup:

An administration bent on closing GiTMO is going to send Abdulmutallab (as some futility exercise I suppose) there? :rolleyes:

As far as "kid gloves treatment" in bringing somebody to justice goes...Best I can see these people are getting Hellfire missiles up the ass or life imprisonment without parole in supermaxes...I mean you can spell potatoe and I can spell potato but those two consequences are no walk in the park by any standard...no?:o
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
we agree, but with different views.
im saying whats the big deal whether the PREZ speaks about it or not, as i believe you are.
also in reality i dont think many republicans are blaming this directly on obama, its
the meda playin us again to cause controversy and divisiveness and make their $$$
 
we agree, but with different views.
im saying whats the big deal whether the PREZ speaks about it or not, as i believe you are.
also in reality i dont think many republicans are blaming this directly on obama, its
the meda playin us again to cause controversy and divisiveness and make their $$$

Sorry...GOPer politicians are really creating mythical talking points to make politics out of something that isn't political. Hoekstra (sp?), etc. are really trying to argue nonsense that they were absentee on when the exact same thing happen under Bush.

No sir! That ain't the media.
 

meesterperfect

Hiliary 2020
maybe youre right.
its kinda like hurricane katrina or the economy, foriegn relations problems,
terrorist attacking civilians all over the world, prisoner treatment, sept 11th, ect.

Oh how they pointed their fingers then. big names like clinton gore kennedy, kerry and pelosi.
that was no problem, but let a few obscure republicans say anything directed at "the savior" and its just wrong, wrong i tells ya.

and it is the media portraying it that way, poor obama, mean repubs.
they didnt have that spin when the other guy was in office and the dems were blaming him for everything.
 
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