Nigerian attempts to blow up Northwest flight

[prof_porn]

I'm sorry but to attribute the actions of a tiny minority to the faith of Islam or the Muslim community enmasse is idiocy. That's like attributing the genocides of Nazi German to the Christian faith [Kurche was one of the pillars of AH regime], or the genocide in Gaza to the Jewish faith, or the pogroms against non Hindus routine in India to the Hindu faith.

No, extremists represent about 0.000001% of the global Muslim community, and you guys on here who are blanketing a community en masse are showing the ignorance for which the USA is famed for globally.

 

[Friday on my mind]

In general, Americans -- since the Suez Incident -- have tried to tip-toe and apologetically enact a general "fairness" on the world, when everyone has agendas. The US used to keep its agendas to the Americas, and not bite off more than it can chew.


Philbert is a blatant right-winger, but he doesn't hide it.

What I can't stand about Hot Mega and, God help me and even worse, Friday, is how much of left-wingers they are, and won't admit it. I'll give Hot Mega some credit at times, but sometimes his apologies for Obama clearly shows he's not being objective.

Just for the record,when have I deneid being anything but a leftist? I have said many times none of the current politicians (such as Obama or Hillary Clinton during the last presedential race for example) or media reflect my views.Both parties are much to far right for me on to many issues.But as you have said many times it's the choice of a lesser of evils.And the media is also at best moderate to far right in the case of FOX.The so-called liberal media is laughable.Yeah all those corporate owned media folks in $1000 suits are Liberals.:1orglaugh
It's only true the media is liberal if you think not being a nazi like FOX or Limbaugh makes you a liberal.IMO there is a vast middle ground between being that and being on the left and thats where the media is.

Hot mega IMO is much more moderate then I am.We have had sharp disagreements on Afganistan for example which he see's as necessary and I see as imperalistic folly.

I never thought as you apprently do that the suez incident had all that much influence on american policy and still don't ,but to each his own.

And lastly at least I am willing to stand up and say heck yes I am a lefty while you who are clearly right wing try to hide behind some I am a non- aligned Liberterian who cannot be put into any category nonsense.

 

[Member2019]

There are those with far more training at airport security than the NG would ever be IMO in airports now. It would be just for show....or worse IMO

Have to agree. The thing about the US is that we specialize our law enforcement, use non-military and non-para-military, civil servants. That makes a massive difference, especially in how situations are handled. If you have ever travelled to even just Mexico, you can see the difference.

The National Guard is for emergency situations only, where you need either raw muscle (clean-up, nothing related to combat) or raw shows of force (actual mobs or massive, organized threats). Neither of these have anything to do with small unit or single person terrorism, so it would help nothing.

No need to watch it. The policies of invading Iraq, no fly and terror watch lists are the policies that have failed. Now it is definitely in Obama's court to fix those policies where they are found wanting.

First off, no argument on Iraq -- Afghanistan, however, I do very much advise you to "watch where you step."

Secondly, Obama has had more time to "fix those policies" than W. had to prepare for 9/11 (which was far more of a surprise), so -- again -- "watch where you step."

Again, I'm going to re-emphasize that Obama has been in longer than W. had been in for 9/11, so it's time to let the W. arguments go -- unless, of course, you want me to unleash the right-wing dogs on making 9/11 100% Clinton's fault?

Because that's the same thing as what you're saying when you blame W. for Obama's foreign policy and security at this point.

 

[Hot Mega]

First off, no argument on Iraq -- Afghanistan, however, I do very much advise you to "watch where you step."

I'm not sure where you're going with this as I like Obama saw Iraq as unnecessary whereas Afghanistan was necessary. Even within the Afghan policy it is being implemented quite differently by the two different presidents.

Secondly, Obama has had more time to "fix those policies" than W. had to prepare for 9/11 (which was far more of a surprise), so -- again -- "watch where you step."

Again, I'm going to re-emphasize that Obama has been in longer than W. had been in for 9/11, so it's time to let the W. arguments go -- unless, of course, you want me to unleash the right-wing dogs on making 9/11 100% Clinton's fault?

Because that's the same thing as what you're saying when you blame W. for Obama's foreign policy and security at this point.

I'll do you a few further, Obama has come into office with a keener awareness of the threat, more recognition of the nature of their attacks and more systems put into place to defend against them.

You see PV, the attack isn't on Bush as much as it is against the hyper-GOPerism machinery of laughable double standards, "kept us safe" (and presumably others, can't or won't), every policy was and is a success GOPers implemented just because they said so despite the reality, no one understands terror like the GOPer mind can and where simple policy disagreements are tantamount to capitulation if not outright anti-Americanism. Not that my points don't have standalone merits beyond illustrating the double standards.

Clinton nor any of his administration supporters EVER argued that he possessed the magical formula for keeping us safe. Even though, the US experienced the exact same number of attacks on the CONUS as the Bush admin experienced. Let's not get into the other attacks because...by the same standard...:dunno:

In the overwhelming majority of cases in these posts I just point out the glaring double standards, straw man arguments and tortured logic. I comes across as hyper-partisanship because it's aimed overwhelmingly at GOPers. Deservedly so...as case in point, 9/11 happened...and the ABSOLUTE FIRST breath was to blame Clinton. And this wasn't by wingnuts only. This was straight up and down GOPer rank and file.

So take what I state here for what it's worth PV....

 

[meesterperfect]

man obama and his media buddies are really playing this one up.
since the bomb didnt work every, and i mean every time i go to my home page the top article is about "obama doing this, obama doing that" about airport security and intelligence.
Its a publicity stunt nothing more, supposed to make us feel like he's actually doing something. plus its him saving face.
the reason is personal. its for future votes and his own credibilty, persuasiveness and power.
c'mon, this is what we have the cia, homeland security leaders for.
these guys are handling it, i'm sure they are paid well.
its all just political posing to give the appearance like "he's on it".
annoying.

 

[Rey C.]

these guys are handling it, i'm sure they are paid well.
its all just political posing to give the appearance like "he's on it".
annoying.

I got a shiny dime in my pocket (that matches the one that the Mad Bomber's dad dropped on him ) that says one of those "well paid guys" is going to be in the unemployment line within the next few weeks. I think the first well paid guy to take a bullet for this might be Janet Napolitano. We'll see though.

But don't ever do something (or don't do something) that leads to a major fuckup and ruins your boss's vacation. I've always seen that lead to one of those "____ is leaving the organization to pursue other opportunities... effective IMMEDIATELY" type letters. :crash:

 

[Philbert]

Oh, I surely hope not....as it's not really a duel...honestly.
But hey...:dunno:

This is an unusually true statement for HM; normally he tries more tricks than a bad lounge Magician, but as soon as I point out a line of BS or a blatant double standard of his he claims "that's out of context, or something similar.":rofl:

Well Philby has other problems that are blatant but that's another thread.

So I'm a "left-winger"? This ought to be easy enough and can be found on this board....What are my positions on key issues then?

I've expressed many of them on this board...

What some of YOU can't seem to get is there are people who simply agree with Obama on many more things just by virtue of common sense thinking than we don't who are not any wing.

But I most certainly admit much more disdain for GOPers than Demos..

OK...make that thread, let us know those "other problems"...this from someone who "only" agrees with a Left Wing liberal on most every point, despises a good portion of the citizens of the US of A, espouses almost exclusively Democrat talking points, but is in NO WAY a left winger!:rofl:
Let your keyboard cash the bad check your mouth wrote, or is that some more of your fake claims that make up a big part of who you are?

What's that famous old River saying...? Oh yeah, "de-nial ain' jus a ribber in Egypt".

Even though there are severely real points to be made on the subject of Military tribunal vs Civilian Court, Congress had a really good "debate" on this with AG "Let'em Go" Holder, you act like only an idiot would want to put terrorists somewhere less distracting while they are interrogated, and you see no reason there would be a discussion of the subject...a dishonest attempt to propound a weak argument by ignoring facts you are aware of...
Very disingenuous...like sabotage has never been seen before, or saboteurs never tried and executed by military justice... Blowing up airliners to terrorize the population is pretty close to sabotauge.

For an alleged Military person you are atypically for appeasement and all things Democrat.
Asskissers who accidentally got ahold of a county.:helpme:

 

[meesterperfect]

I got a shiny dime in my pocket (that matches the one that the Mad Bomber's dad dropped on him ) that says one of those "well paid guys" is going to be in the unemployment line within the next few weeks. I think the first well paid guy to take a bullet for this might be Janet Napolitano. We'll see though.

But don't ever do something (or don't do something) that leads to a major fuckup and ruins your boss's vacation. I've always seen that lead to one of those "____ is leaving the organization to pursue other opportunities... effective IMMEDIATELY" type letters. :crash:

yeah i hear that. someones heads gonna roll.
but its probably not their fault.
the guy just got past security in nigeria was it?


i still dont know how he got the explosive on the plane.
in a carry on?
i dont know what kind of device it was or what it looked like.
All I know is he tried to detonate it and nothin.

little help?

 

[jasonk282]

I got a shiny dime in my pocket (that matches the one that the Mad Bomber's dad dropped on him ) that says one of those "well paid guys" is going to be in the unemployment line within the next few weeks. I think the first well paid guy to take a bullet for this might be Janet Napolitano. We'll see though.

But don't ever do something (or don't do something) that leads to a major fuckup and ruins your boss's vacation. I've always seen that lead to one of those "____ is leaving the organization to pursue other opportunities... effective IMMEDIATELY" type letters. :crash:

I have heard that she is going to be replaced by a FBI debuty director. I am still trying to find the article but I hear it on the radio this week.

 

[Rey C.]

yeah i hear that. someones heads gonna roll.
but its probably not their fault.
the guy just got past security in nigeria was it?

I think he snuck back into Nigeria. But Amsterdam is where he boarded the plane.

To be honest, if all they do is fire some low ranking analyst grunt, that wouldn't be right. The system is screwed up. Different agencies don't/won't talk to each other. The old left hand/right hand thing. And it really does rest on Obama to make sure the system gets corrected.

Not to cheapshot the Bush Administration. But during the Bush/Cheney years, the No Fly List became politicized to some degree. There were reporters and others on the list who had just pissed off the wrong people in the U.S. gov. Meanwhile, other people, who may have been legitimate threats weren't on the list. They need to get in there and clean the shit out of the barn.

i still dont know how he got the explosive on the plane.
in a carry on?
i dont know what kind of device it was or what it looked like.
All I know is he tried to detonate it and nothin.

little help?

It was some sort of underwear bomb. I'm not into explosives, but he had some nasty shit called PETN sewn into his tighty whities. Luckily for the people on that flight, whoever put it together was as incompetent as the security people. I guess as long as everybody on both sides is incompetent, nobody gets hurt. :dunno:

 

[meesterperfect]

wow thats pretty small to fit in your undies.
seems unless they strip search each passenger, this stuff can not be prevented 100%.
people gotta realize that.


oh this just in.
the media proclaims:
Obama ties it together (he's so smart)
yep obama figured it out. he did it folks.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100102/ts_nm/us_security_airline_obama

god i hate the press and their agenda.

yeah he's doin alot of talkin about it.
startin to look ridiculous to me.

yeah the press keeps saying that the republicans are scathing him about it.
i havn't seen any quotes or clips of this. i think theyre making more out of that than it is
to try to make the repubs look mean.
those meanies.

 

[Hot Mega]

Let us remember that Congress invoked the War Powers Resolution and stated:

That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Using the authorization granted to him by Congress, on 13 November 2001, President Bush issued a Presidential Military Order: "Detention, Treatment, and Trial of Certain Non-Citizens in the War Against Terrorism" which allowed "individuals ... to be detained, and, when tried, to be tried for violations of the laws of war and other applicable laws by military tribunals", where such individuals are a member of the organization known as al Qa'ida; or has conspired or committed acts of international terrorism, or have as their aim to cause, injury to or adverse effects on the United States, its citizens, national security, foreign policy, or economy. The order also specifies that the detainees are to be treated humanely.

Abdulmutallab should be and likely will be tried (if he doesn't confess first) in civilian, federal court for his violation of a civilian, federal crime like all those before him accused and convicted of similar crimes.

I'm still not sure what the fascination is with transferring jurisdiction of a federal crime to military jurisdiction is. Is the water better or something? At the end of the day, this guy will be convicted and sent to a Federal Supermax just like those before him.

Besides, elements of that resolution have been overturned by a USSC decision and 2 Military Commissions Acts since.:2 cents:

As far as I know this Resolution is still active. IMO Obama is going to turn Afghanistan into another Vietnam, the very thing they were accusing Bush was going to do.

The accusation was that Iraq would be another Vietnam...not Afghanistan. Hard to imagine Bush being accused of turning Afghanistan into another Vietnam when he barely prosecuted the policy....unless of course the equation was with failure. Then that would be an accurate IMO.

Obama has committed more personnel to Afghanistan than ever, sending troops to places there that were abandoned by the previous admin, plans on and is as far as we know hitting AQ where they are, has enlisted unprecedented support from Pakistan, more importantly has set a sunset on our large scale military involvement there....but somehow, under some perspective you anticipate Obama will "turn Afghanistan into another Vietnam"??

Okay Jason....rep....

 

[sporty_carr]

No no no guys! This poor Nigerian is truely misunderstood!

You see, he's actually trying to become a dutch citizen. In order to do so, he must "integrate" himself into dutch society. One of the things the dutch do every December 31st is try to blow themselves off the map with all their bloody fireworks. So this guy was just trying to be like the dutch!!

It's just that nobody told him that an airplane wasn't an approperiate place to show off his new found dutchness.

:1orglaugh

Don't forget that we Germans have invented terrorism. We know how to set things on fire

Really? Are you for hire?

How about non-fundamentalist muslims? Surely they will be driven closer to fundamentalism and terrorism after getting harsher treatments and humiliation at every airport, and then viewing non-Muslims as true enemies. Wont that kind of stuff be more harm than good - every terrorist we are preventing, we are creating hundreds more.

But yeah anyway, the bigotry makes amazing reading. I'd love to see the shitstorm the world will descend into when people with views like that will gain political leverage - though I doubt and hope it wont ever happen.

So by your logic if we let them blow up planes it will deter hundreds of more terrorists?

You should call up the Obama administration. You'll have a job with Homeland Security by the end of the week.

Hey according to Janet Incompentato the system worked propertly, they today it faild misserable and we all took her words out of context. Well janet when you say the system worked what did you really mean. Also this guys name came up on a terrorist watch list and his father WARNED the American Embassy. Really how many red flags does someone need to be considered a terrorist? I have no problem with any religion is general terms, I get along with Jews(I have a Jewish Brother-in-law), Muslims, Christians, Buddist etc.... What I have a problem with is the fundmentalist side of religion Muslims, Jews, Christians etc.

As Department of homeland insecurity chairperson Janet Neapolitano said, ''the system worked" ... but she failed to specify what exact system it was that, in fact, "worked".

Of course it worked guys! Don't you know about Homeland Security's last line of defense? When your bomb doesn't go off, you get the crap kicked out of you by angry American passengers. :thumbsup:

There are soo many details you left out...you are one of millions shaking their heads and wondering how we are gonna make it through 3 more years with this junior senator from Illinois as President and CIC. No UberLeftie could come up with enough lame excuses or justifications to explain away the broken down Obama Whitehouse and it's disarray, from "tax cheat"Geitner to "Huh?" Napoliatano.
Although they keep on trying, but it's more embarassing than effective.:rofl:

We have no leader...

We're not. I'm starting to believe in that Aztec calendar thingy more and more each day. 2012, here we come!!!

I mean, all the time consuming crap we do now has the Israeli experts laughing so hard that terrorists are getting through with I Love Jihad t-shirts on, and it didn't even slow down a Nigerian who paid for a 1 way ticket in cash, had no luggage, was on a watch list, and had explosive underwear on.

:rofl2:

Now, now......if we checked him too thorougly that would be racial profiling.:nono:

It would be better if he just blew up the plane. That way nobody's feelings would get hurt. (^ see Evil Hobo's post)

Blaming terrorism on Obama is very infantile but of course NeoCons are just that.

Anyway, if terrorist shitholes were to be destroyed, then there wouldn't be no western superpowers because they are the super terrorists who export terrorism around the globe because they our tax money through Black Ops to fund, train and arm right wing terrorists who are more then willing to die in whatever the name of their God is

The data proves that Christianity is savage, brutal and genocidal as any dogmatic religion and it hasn't evolved. What has really occurred here is that Christianity is on the decline since the data proves the more educated a person is, the less religious and dogmatic they are likely to be. The reason why you have Blowback from right wing conservative Muslim fanaticals is becoz the CIA has funded, trained, armed and empowered them to overthrow their more enlightened, less religious and democratically socialist elected leaders so right wing extremist Muslim regimes can take over through the use of force, murder, deception, torture and terror which after is the American way of doing things

^ So then why don't you join the U.S. Air Force and tell the Christian extremist pilots that it's against their religion to fly and drop bombs on innocent civilians.

I'm a Christian.

I don't think I've ever felt the need to blow up a plane with hundreds of innocent people on it.

Actually, I'm a calm, rational, non violent person.....go figure. :dunno:

Oh, and I'm currently working on a Master's and planning to get a Doctorate....so there goes your uneducated theory as well.

But anyway......DOWN WITH NEOCONS, YEAH!!!! :banger:

 

[meesterperfect]

yeah the other day some muslims killed like 90+ people at a volleyball game in pakistan.
a volleyball game!
i suppose if a bomb was strong enough to kill 90+ then it probably injured a few hundred more.
hands arms legs blown off, faces disfigured.
must have been a river of blood and bodyparts everywhere.
wonder how many children got it too.
this is common in that part of the world, the muslim part.

but to fools like hellraiser its the christians who are so evil.
its a twisted mentality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZXN17lV3MI

i feel sorry for these people in those countrys.
the US and some of its allies(not many) are trying to fight the taliban and alquada but what effect can they really have?
too bad we cant get more help.

 

[MILF Man]

I knew I read a story about a Club Gitmo prisoner being released only to turn around and start planning and helping more terrorist attacks against the U.S.

These assholes should not be released. Why does this fucking administration want to continue doing this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599195117600

 

[sporty_carr]

We're not. I'm starting to believe in that Aztec calendar thingy more and more each day. 2012, here we come!!!

Whoops....I meant Mayan calendar thingy. :o

 

[Hot Mega]

I knew I read a story about a Club Gitmo prisoner being released only to turn around and start planning and helping more terrorist attacks against the U.S.

These assholes should not be released. Why does this fucking administration want to continue doing this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599195117600

Sheeesh!! You're just now getting the facts straight on this. The allegations were posted on here and discussed days ago..

And no! Abdulmutallab STILL wasn't ever in GiTMO...the man who allegedly trained him was but was released in 2007.

http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=366239&highlight=released+gitmo

I will say this though...it's clear from Bush's track record of releasing detainees the we are suffering blowback...this is just the latest case apparently with the Nigerian being trained by a former detainee. So Obama should re-evaluate his strategy for legally disposing of those at GiTMO while still closing it down.

It sounds like from your article, that's exactly what he's doing.

Closing GiTMO doesn't necessarily mean releasing all those detained there to go free.

 

[Baill Inneraora]

Well Philby has other problems that are blatant but that's another thread.



So I'm a "left-winger"? This ought to be easy enough and can be found on this board....What are my positions on key issues then?

I've expressed many of them on this board...

What some of YOU can't seem to get is there are people who simply agree with Obama on many more things just by virtue of common sense thinking than we don't who are not any wing.

But I most certainly admit much more disdain for GOPers than Demos..

I throw a big bash every year celebrating Che's Birthday. Friday and Hellraiser always make it, but Hot Mega never comes.

 

[Hot Mega]

I throw a big bash every year celebrating Che's Birthday. Friday and Hellraiser always make it, but Hot Mega never comes.

Yeah Baill...I tried to sneak into the inaugural but someone squealed that I was pro death penalty, pro right to bear arms, not anti war and don't believe the government should intrude into the private decisions of the individual (although..that can cut both ways depending on which right to self-determination the individual wants to exercise)....:o

 

[MILF Man]

And no! Abdulmutallab STILL wasn't ever in GiTMO...the man who allegedly trained him was but was released in 2007.

I realized this from the article I posted. I only made the original statement that the Nigerian piece of shit was in Gitmo, once. You make it out to sound like I said it over and over and over and over....