"Whatever happened, happened." IMO, it was the "incident"
meesterperfect
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ah i dont know, this whole locke not being locke and probably the guy who told jacob he would kill him one day is bothering me.
if it aint locke, how would he know personal stuff like who killed him, sun, ben, richard, history of things?
if it aint locke, how would he know personal stuff like who killed him, sun, ben, richard, history of things?
meesterperfect
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well yeah exactly, and if his body was inhabited he would be him/it, not locke.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob's_enemy
i'm gonna watch it again now, but some things just seems off on that finale.
bens behaviour especially.
and why was jacob so easy to kill?
if ben could do it whay couldnt the enemy do it back in the 1800's?
ehhhhh, .
Yeah, for an ageless super-being he died quite easily, without the least bit of a fight. Perhaps he'll pull a Highlander next season.
To be honest Season 5 as a whole left a bad taste in my mouth. At this point the only character I find even remotely interesting is Richard. Hope they'll do at least one episode centered around him before the end.
They explained the numbers. They are random serial numbers for the hatch.
I have mentioned this before in past posts and will repeat it again.
The producers during the first season stated that the show was fully explained in the pilot episode. I have watched the pilot numerous times and the only thing that I can see that has any explanation is the scene where Jack wakes up after the crash on the island in the jungle away from the crash site. If you remember, he was laid out on his back, he stared up into the sky and seemed disoriented.
You would think this was because of the crash, but this scene was repeated later when Desmond was caught in a time shift jumping back and forth and always waking up on his back, and Ben Linus did the same thing when he turned the wheel and woke up in the Sahara desert.
I dont think the numbers mean "jack" shit....just like everything else to this show (Notice I emphasized JACK). Everything that has happened thru-out this series I dont think means anything. I do believe the series will end with Jack doing something stupid and sending them back to what we saw in the series pilot. This will kinda go in hand with what Myles said about the A-Bomb might be the cause of everything.
This show has brought on over 1000 questions and about the only big question that has been answered thru-out the whole series is how the plane was dragged in because of Desmond. There is no way they will be able to explain everything in 20 episodes.
Everything will most likely be explained thru one explanation and most likely you will have to go back and watch all the episodes again.
I just hope they dont fuck this up. The end of this series could probably go down in history as one of the greatest endings in TV history if they do it right.
Cross your fingers...........
I have mentioned this before in past posts and will repeat it again.
The producers during the first season stated that the show was fully explained in the pilot episode. I have watched the pilot numerous times and the only thing that I can see that has any explanation is the scene where Jack wakes up after the crash on the island in the jungle away from the crash site. If you remember, he was laid out on his back, he stared up into the sky and seemed disoriented.
You would think this was because of the crash, but this scene was repeated later when Desmond was caught in a time shift jumping back and forth and always waking up on his back, and Ben Linus did the same thing when he turned the wheel and woke up in the Sahara desert.
I dont think the numbers mean "jack" shit....just like everything else to this show (Notice I emphasized JACK). Everything that has happened thru-out this series I dont think means anything. I do believe the series will end with Jack doing something stupid and sending them back to what we saw in the series pilot. This will kinda go in hand with what Myles said about the A-Bomb might be the cause of everything.
This show has brought on over 1000 questions and about the only big question that has been answered thru-out the whole series is how the plane was dragged in because of Desmond. There is no way they will be able to explain everything in 20 episodes.
Everything will most likely be explained thru one explanation and most likely you will have to go back and watch all the episodes again.
I just hope they dont fuck this up. The end of this series could probably go down in history as one of the greatest endings in TV history if they do it right.
Cross your fingers...........
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I've never heard that before about the entire show being explained in the Pilot. I'm not sure I would believe that anymore.
If what you're saying is true and pans out--and if the "incident" is prevented and the plane crash is prevented--Jack could conceivably wake up with that close eye shot but he'd be in his bed or something?
Hmmm.......I don't know. They have a bunch of episodes to fill before the series finale...
I've never heard that before about the entire show being explained in the Pilot. I'm not sure I would believe that anymore.
If what you're saying is true and pans out--and if the "incident" is prevented and the plane crash is prevented--Jack could conceivably wake up with that close eye shot but he'd be in his bed or something?
Hmmm.......I don't know. They have a bunch of episodes to fill before the series finale...
I have heard that Jacob was in the pilot episode, or rather the actor who played "Jacob" in the cabin in season 3. Even though I do believe that it was never Jacob in the cabin but the other guy the real Jacob was talking to in the recent finale. But I have never heard that the whole show was explained in the pilot and I've done a lot of looking on lostpedia (where I work, we can use the computer a lot)
That's interesting because when they first mentioned Jacob (I don't remember if it was in season 2, but I know that at the latest it was early on in season 3) The producers said that he was someone whom we had already seen on the show before.
I'm not sure about that actor... but if they meant that the person everyone thinks is Jacob is actually Locke, then that would be technically true.At least that is what I interpreted and what made me think that Locke was Jacob ever since he first went to the cabin.
That's also the implication I got at the finale, that the real Jacob has been at the statue the whole time (well, other than leaving the Island) and the guy in the cabin was his nemesis (time-traveling as Locke?) impersonating him. Also remember that he told Locke to help him which jives with the whole thing.
I just thought that pretty much all of the survivors have had something "magical" happen to them, or else been killed off. We just assumed that these things happened to anyone that was on the Island, but maybe they don't. Maybe it's because everyone has some special abilities just like Miles and Hurley and Locke and Walt, maybe just not as much.
I'm not sure about that actor... but if they meant that the person everyone thinks is Jacob is actually Locke, then that would be technically true.At least that is what I interpreted and what made me think that Locke was Jacob ever since he first went to the cabin.
That's also the implication I got at the finale, that the real Jacob has been at the statue the whole time (well, other than leaving the Island) and the guy in the cabin was his nemesis (time-traveling as Locke?) impersonating him. Also remember that he told Locke to help him which jives with the whole thing.
I just thought that pretty much all of the survivors have had something "magical" happen to them, or else been killed off. We just assumed that these things happened to anyone that was on the Island, but maybe they don't. Maybe it's because everyone has some special abilities just like Miles and Hurley and Locke and Walt, maybe just not as much.
With all the theories and speculation,I believe that there is one inevitable fact about the show...The writers have painted themselves into a corner with little to no way out.There is absolutely no way that they are going to tie up all the loose ends.Now you might say that it's o.k. if we are left hanging with some of them,but it seems like every little thing is supposed to be part of the grand scheme of things.I guess we can be thankful that at least now it seems like we finally have a better understanding of know exactly what's going on on the island.
I really think that the ending is going to be a total cop out very similar to the ending of Battlestar Galactica.If that happens,it's gonna suck really hard.
I really think that the ending is going to be a total cop out very similar to the ending of Battlestar Galactica.If that happens,it's gonna suck really hard.
I never watched battlestar galactica, but it does remind me of the X-files which had a complex mythology that hinged everything together and I loved that show, but it become such crap that I didn't even ever see the last few episodes.
My other favorite show was Six feet under, and I didn't see the last episode of that either, but it had the perfect ending- everyone died.
My other favorite show was Six feet under, and I didn't see the last episode of that either, but it had the perfect ending- everyone died.
It doesn't really ruin anything, everyone dies- and that's the point. It's not like they all die in a fiery explosion, the epilogue of the series is just a fast forward to the moment at the end of each characters life. As far as what the actual resolution, or moment that the show ends on, I don't know because I haven't seen it.
I had an interesting conversation about Lost and heard some new theories.
-Here's one I just came up with, not really a shocking twist, just a thought. the reason that Sun didn't travel back in time is because they needed someone in the "present" to connect them to it, like Daniel's Constant. If they all went back in time, then they wouldn't have anything to connect them, and thus no way to return to the "present". Since the present is a non-existant thing, and there is neither future nor past, just different points in time.
-Jacob, or rather the person that we have been shown to be Jacob is not actually the real Jacob, and the real Jacob is Richard Alpert.
-The crew of the Black Rock are the Oceanic flight 815 passengers. People keep coming to the Island and having a conflict with the natives, but it's the same people every time. A pretty likely scenario I'd say considering that it was them in 2004 for 815 and them again in 1977 with Dharma.
-The end of the series will have them leave the Island, only to find themselves in a situation that returns them there yet again. (a variation on the loop theory where instead of starting out at the beginning again (going back in time) things just keep on repeating forward into the future.)
- This next season will start off with them having successfully reversed the circumstances to prevent the Incident and the plane crash, and they will just go on about their normal lives. All of the other plots will be dropped and no further explanation for anything on the Island will be given. So everything that everyone has been speculating about for five years will be meaningless, which is what the producers had in mind all along. (worst ending ever!? Although it is lent some credibility in being the one that no one expected.)
I had an interesting conversation about Lost and heard some new theories.
-Here's one I just came up with, not really a shocking twist, just a thought. the reason that Sun didn't travel back in time is because they needed someone in the "present" to connect them to it, like Daniel's Constant. If they all went back in time, then they wouldn't have anything to connect them, and thus no way to return to the "present". Since the present is a non-existant thing, and there is neither future nor past, just different points in time.
-Jacob, or rather the person that we have been shown to be Jacob is not actually the real Jacob, and the real Jacob is Richard Alpert.
-The crew of the Black Rock are the Oceanic flight 815 passengers. People keep coming to the Island and having a conflict with the natives, but it's the same people every time. A pretty likely scenario I'd say considering that it was them in 2004 for 815 and them again in 1977 with Dharma.
-The end of the series will have them leave the Island, only to find themselves in a situation that returns them there yet again. (a variation on the loop theory where instead of starting out at the beginning again (going back in time) things just keep on repeating forward into the future.)
- This next season will start off with them having successfully reversed the circumstances to prevent the Incident and the plane crash, and they will just go on about their normal lives. All of the other plots will be dropped and no further explanation for anything on the Island will be given. So everything that everyone has been speculating about for five years will be meaningless, which is what the producers had in mind all along. (worst ending ever!? Although it is lent some credibility in being the one that no one expected.)
The highlighted part kinda goes with what I posted earlier.
The only theory you posted that I question is the Black Rock. I doubt the Oceanic folks were on the Black Rock. I think the main survivor was Richard since he has done things that connect him with the ship.
Most likely this next season they will do a flashback on his story that hopefully will connect the dots on some of the issues to this show.
The whole "time travel" aspect of the show is nothing more than a plot device,and a very overused and unimaginative one at that.
I'll bet that one of the last scene's of the show is something really cheap like everyone waking up on the plane before it goes down,and they will do something stupid and Twilight-Zoney,like Jack,Kate,Sawyer,and all of the other main characters will get up and start a commotion trying to get to the pilot to change course,only to find out that the pilot it Ben Linus,and they crash anyway.
I'll bet that one of the last scene's of the show is something really cheap like everyone waking up on the plane before it goes down,and they will do something stupid and Twilight-Zoney,like Jack,Kate,Sawyer,and all of the other main characters will get up and start a commotion trying to get to the pilot to change course,only to find out that the pilot it Ben Linus,and they crash anyway.
I think you're probably pretty close to something with Jacob/Richard connection. If Jacob's enemy can "change bodies" than why couldn't Jacob? Maybe the fake Jacob that Ben stabbed was actually John Locke?
There is something different and important about Richard Alpert and if he was the real Jacob (as dumb as that reads when I type it) it sort of makes sense to me, I think:thumbsup:
I think the Black Rock and Flight 815 aren't connected. I guess the overall myth of the show is meant for us to believe that everything was orchestrated by time travelers (Jacob, Richard, etc) for the exact purpose of Crashing Flight 815 so John Locke would come to the island....and that the season finale, the detonating of the HBomb is meant to unravel that?:dunno:
meesterperfect
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I think i found a loophole...............
Pierre Chang,Dr. Marvin Candle, Dr. Mark Wickmund, Dr. Edgar Halliwax.
his arm.
ok, in the darhma videos he appears to have no use of his arm.
those were from 1980.........but maybe not the original videos.
either way, in 77 his arm was fine, until the incident when it was crushed.
soooooo, if jacks plan did work, and none of that never happened, wouldn't his arm had been fine in the videos?
i'm not sure, but this could be a major clue.
Pierre Chang,Dr. Marvin Candle, Dr. Mark Wickmund, Dr. Edgar Halliwax.
his arm.
ok, in the darhma videos he appears to have no use of his arm.
those were from 1980.........but maybe not the original videos.
either way, in 77 his arm was fine, until the incident when it was crushed.
soooooo, if jacks plan did work, and none of that never happened, wouldn't his arm had been fine in the videos?
i'm not sure, but this could be a major clue.
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