Lost

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When God led Israel out of Egypt, he appeared to them as a pillar of black smoke. I also think that the island could be the final resting place for the Ark of the Covenant. That would explain the awesome power and bringing back the dead.

that is a really interesting theory that I haven’t heard before. I mentioned a couple analogies to Egypt and Lost a few pages back and likened the 815 survivors to the Israelites.

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=3012072&postcount=866

In Egyptian history the worshipers of Set were the foreigners that first drove out the natives, which would kinda be the opposite of the connection to Lost….

I don't know quite what to make of this episode. The epigraph of the temple clearly showed Anubis (the Egyptian Jackal-headed god who judged the deeds of the dead, and who would feed the unworthy to the soul-eater) summoning the smoke monster from the underworld.

Besides Egyptian, the show has certainly mentioned Biblical aspects- from the characters, to the episode titles Eg,. "Exodus" and of course "Psalm 23."

But I think that those things are just part of the mythos that the show draws inspiration from, the same way that novels and movies appear, and not really a direct influence on the plot.

After all, the smoke monster killed Eko, who was a priest and built the church on the Island, as well as many of the other Survivors. If the Others are represented by the Egyptians, he certainly seems to if not favor, then at least to go along with them; all the more unfitting of the character of the God of the Jews.

and Locke as one of the Survivor's becoming the leader of the Others is the anti-Moses.

 

[calpoon]

as far as this weeks episode... it was Ok, but I'm still steamy about last week. I feel like they just threw in the smoke monster to distract us from how they are more and more making asses of themselves unraveling the plot.

Desmond beating up Ben. Ok, that wasn't bad. It wasn't great, but I can live with it as a "twist." Admittedly I had forgot all about Ben saying he was going to kill Penny.

Widmore wanted to kill baby Alex. ugh Ok. It doesn't really make much sense, other than to give Ben a reason to hate him (having her shot in the head worked well enough for me, I don't know about you.)

But Widmore was exiled from the Island because he left and then came back, to which Ben supports by claiming that he broke the rules because he couldn't leave and come back either... but it's Ok for Alpert to go hang out with baby Locke and to go recruit Juliette. Lame. And it's more of the same thing of "revealing" what we already knew.

Clearly the implication was that the Island chose a new leader in Ben, just as it later would do with Locke, and that is OK for me. Just tell us that like you did in the subtext of the scene, and we would be peachy. Instead they have to pander to the stupid audience that wants it spelled out and so far that way has not been very satisfying for me.

 

[meesterperfect]

Uncanny.

 

[BellaBellini]

ooooooh excited to see a Lost thread here. I'm a huge Lost fan I loved the most recent episode. It was great to see it confirmed that smokie was cerebus or at least associated with cerebus for a long time.

I'm also on fence about whether Locke is alive like he was, or whether he is in a state similar to Christian and being a channel for the Island's wishes.

I can't wait to see what happens in the coming episodes!

 

[meesterperfect]

Cool Bella!
Maybe youre right about Locke, he does seem to know alot more now than he did before.

 

[BellaBellini]

and Vozzek (Lost theorist writer) mentioned that Locke and the monster weren't in the same place at the same time in the last episode. And it was Locke that emerged from the forest when Ben told Sun that he couldn't control what was going to come out of the jungle.

At the very least, he is more in synch with the Island than ever before.

 

[meesterperfect]

Hmm, so Locke left for a rope, the monster comes, the monster goes and Locke returns?
That interesting.

 

[BellaBellini]

exactly meesterperfect, something suspicious going on there. Nothing is ever a coincidence on Lost!

 

[calpoon]

good to see some new blood and new ideas on this thread. (not that I don't anxiously await your posts MP and blackbull.)

 

[blackbull1970]

^^^
Lol!

I too agree that Locke knows what the island is about, unfortuntly, the writers wont explain what Locke knows until most likely the end of next season.

 

[BellaBellini]

Who else is dying for the Richard Alpert flashback? I know that will be a very answer heavy episode so we'll have to wait a little longer but it is going to be so damn good

 

[meesterperfect]

Who else is dying for the Richard Alpert flashback? I know that will be a very answer heavy episode so we'll have to wait a little longer but it is going to be so damn good

are they going to do that?
I hope.
I originally thought the others originated from the black rock, but now it seems they go back much further.
richard is probably an original otherfrom waaaay back.
I am also curious how widmore and ellie got to the island originally. ( i think they are siblings).

Ok anyone remember when they were flashing through time and they were at the camp, probably in the future? when they found vincents leash.
there was a water bottle in an outrigger from the same airline that the 5 plus ben and lapedias returned in.
they showed ben drinking out of the same in the last episode.

Also in the last episode, maybe its important is when approaching the temple ben said " this is where they healed me as a child".
which means sayid did change the future of ben ( and everything)from the point that he met him on to the present.
which means that now ben must remember jack, sawyer, jin ect from the past.

the whole time travel has too many problems, i cant put it in a logical context.
its like before they returned ben had one time line , then from the minute he got involved with sayid in 77#2 that whole timeline changed and all present bens memorys changed also?

 

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Also in the last episode, maybe its important is when approaching the temple ben said " this is where they healed me as a child".
which means sayid did change the future of ben ( and everything)from the point that he met him on to the present.
which means that now ben must remember jack, sawyer, jin ect from the past.

How do you figure that? It seems to me that he "always" knew that was where they healed him as a child, not suddenly remembered it because they changed the past.. just because he never mentioned it before, doesn't mean that it didn't happen before. and he had forgot everything from BEFORE then so even now in the present he never knew what Sayid and the rest did in 1977. I'm not even sure if he knows that they were there. did he see the photograph?

 

[meesterperfect]

How do you figure that? It seems to me that he "always" knew that was where they healed him as a child, not suddenly remembered it because they changed the past.. just because he never mentioned it before, doesn't mean that it didn't happen before. and he had forgot everything from BEFORE then so even now in the present he never knew what Sayid and the rest did in 1977. I'm not even sure if he knows that they were there. did he see the photograph?

he saw the photo.......but he didn't react with much shock.........acyually kind of like he didnt even know them personally.

so you think he didnt suddenly remember? ok probably so.
but he didnt forget everything from before, only the sayid part, he did remember his father and darhma when he awoke.
and middleaged widmore told him he " just because youre living with them doesnt mean you cant be one of us"
implying that he did go back to darhma, i assume until the purge in 92.
but if he did go back to darhma then he should have seen jack and the gang

and how could jack and the gang wind up on the island in 2004 if they were there in 77.....
its a chicken and egg question.
I cant figure it.

 

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cuz they traveled back in time. the only way that they will have not been on the Island in 2004 is if they do something in the past that prevents them from ever having crashed on the Island... but then they would have never traveled back in time and wouldn't have been able to prevent it, yadda yadda.. it's a casualty paradox which the show so far has shown that you would be unable to do because of...whatever.

It really doesn't make sense that ben would have amnesia for say... a day, and he'd remember everything before and everything after. I just think it's a lame cop out to explain what happened without it being a plot inconsistency and isn't supposed to really make any sense.

I could only assume that during the time that Ben is with the Others, Sawyer and the rest of them either go forward in time or leave the island or die or whatever, they go somewhere, so that they are not there when Ben goes back to Dharma and thus never knows/remembers that they ever were there.

Of course none of this prevents Richard Alpert from remembering them. We know that he at least saw Sawyer and Kate in 77. So you'd think that he would remember seeing them 30 years later when they were captured by the Others. hmm.. you think that he just conveniently neglected to mention that detail to Ben or anyone else?

 

[meesterperfect]

paragraph 3 great theory. very possible.
good point with richy, he also saw locke in 54

 

[BellaBellini]

What did everyone think of this last episode? It was great to get a Miles flashback and it confirmed what I had suspected about Dr. Chang being his father. It wasn't a crazy action packed episode, but I like the character driven episodes anyway. It was one of the reasons I really fell in love with the show because the writers have created such amazing, enthralling characters

And I was so excited to see Dharma building the hatch and hearing the read out the numbers. So spooky!!!!

I wonder who the 3rd group are that are struggling for the Island. Do you think it is the left over dharma initiative or another group?

 

[calpoon]

I liked it. It still kept up with the lame, totally obvious "revelations". It's almost insulting. Do they really think that we wouldn't have connected Myles and Dr. Candles? Or not have noticed Razynski's model of the computer room for the Swan station and the other hints that he was dropping? electro-magnetism? hmm.. what can that be??

But Hurley is awesome and he's oblivious to the bullshit. when he said, "Ok I won't tell anybody about that dead body either." I laughed my ass off.

In the previews it kind of makes it seem like the inner circle of Dharma is leading a coup against the rest of them, possibly because of The Survivors involvement. Or maybe they go to war with the Others.

Yeah, I have no idea who this new group is. that is an interesting development. Did you catch that the guy who was trying to talk Myles out of going to the Island is one the people that just arrived on the Island with the O6?

 

[BellaBellini]

Yes, his name is Bram and he is working with Ilana who caused so many problems for Sayid. It is possible that they are Dharma because Dr. Chang is always referencing the mainland Dharma station at Ann Arbor and those people wouldn't have disappeared even after the purge.

But it is probably something completely different knowing Lost;p

 

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Do you know what lies in the shadow of the statue?

nothing, because the statue is just a foot.