I Know This is Unethical, But How in the Sam Hell is it LEGAL?

[titsrock]

Bloody, you sound clueless and naive with more and more of your non-sports related posts. And the ultimate narcissist too -- "Gee, I never knew healthcare was expensive in this country"

You do realize that Health Insurance is run on supply/demand, right? As in YOU a 20something would pay your health care premium even though you're probably healthy and not in need of medical attention? When the healthy aren't paying monthly premiums the burden falls on the people who can pay.

Healthcare mandates are ways to get YOU to pay for healthcare whether or not you need it now because the theory is that more people in the system equals lower costs. This includes the "illegals" that you seem to hate now, why can't THEY pay into the system, too? Employers and homeowners don't pay undocumented in pesos, right?

But you who seem to know so much about everything but you don't want to actually deal with real problems like ridiculous health costs until you actually need it. Solving problems and getting angry when the shit hits the fan--probably not the best moment to make rational decisions, huh?

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

Bloody, you sound clueless and naive with more and more of your non-sports related posts. And the ultimate narcissist too -- "Gee, I never knew healthcare was expensive in this country"

You do realize that Health Insurance is run on supply/demand, right? As in YOU a 20something would pay your health care premium even though you're probably healthy and not in need of medical attention? When the healthy aren't paying monthly premiums the burden falls on the people who can pay.

Healthcare mandates are ways to get YOU to pay for healthcare whether or not you need it now because the theory is that more people in the system equals lower costs. This includes the "illegals" that you seem to hate now, why can't THEY pay into the system, too? Employers and homeowners don't pay undocumented in pesos, right?

But you who seem to know so much about everything but you don't want to actually deal with real problems like ridiculous health costs until you actually need it. Solving problems and getting angry when the shit hits the fan--probably not the best moment to make rational decisions, huh?

I've only recently had to take up my own insurance, and of course all in all I've been fortunate. Even when I rolled my car I walked away from that bitch with just a scratch and later a $12K bill. But I've not had any issues with "ridiculous" health costs because I'm a healthy individual despite all the hell I've raised over the years. The bill, when I went back and looked at it was an eye opener. Like I said, GAMC is a nice alternative for a person such as myself, until I start my own business and purchase my own coverage.

 

[titsrock]

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Walking away from a car accident "with just a scratch" but a 12k medical bill--there's probably more to that story. If you had rolled your car in France or England--here's a guess--they wouldn't have handed you a 12K bill. Probably $2500.

Our country is so bass awkward that what other citizens pay in taxes we pay much more (per dollar) into "free" market cartels like health insurance companies who work (scam) with pharma cartels and yet our system still has higher costs than everyone else's... Gee, that's not fair. Maybe if we had Gov't regulators, oh wait, we allow lobbyists to run regulation in this country. Nevermind about regulation.

It's not like there are a set of expensive awesome medical textbooks that only American doctors have access to and all these other countries use inferior medical texts...

The healthcare problems run much much deeper than what the tea bagger supremacists can comprehend.

 

[HE1FiNEARTiST]

So I was going over some old paperwork as I prepare to move out of my current residence, and I came across the paperwork for my visit to the ER a couple years ago for a sprained ankle.

Now, after they gave me a couple x-rays, they gave me a cheap plastic "brace" for the ankle that looks about as cheap as sometihng you would find at the Dollar Store.

Price: about $300.00 for the flakey plastic brace POS. Never mind the fact that the second I walked into that ER they hit me with about a quick $400.00 right off the bat, but the price for that "brace" really sticks in my craw.

Now I know our current healthcare is superior to places like the U.K. and Canada and at my age with my health I don't really even feel like I need health care, but seriously, $300.00 for a flimsy plastic POS? :dunno:

Something stinks.

next time you sprain your ankle or break something, rather than pay, just build your on plastic cast :hatsoff:

 

[larss]

I don't have a clue where you live, but the ER I was in was one of the largest and busiest in the Midwest, and it was on a weekend. I'm not going to dig on Google, but the bottom line is I've heard and read acounts that terminally ill in your country (Britain?) are apparently dying because of having to wait for care. That sure doesn't sound good to me.

Yes, last time I looked, London was in Britain - I also mention UK in my post as where I was.

The terminally ill are not dying waiting for care. Long waiting lists are those that have chronic illnesses, waiting for hip replacements, and that sort of thing. At least they have a chance of some care. If you are in the states and you have no insurance, you are fucked, unless a charitable organisation takes you in.

You will always be able to find accounts of people being left in corridors or forgotten about, or not getting treated quickly but that is not the norm. People with cancer get treated for cancer - no messing about filling in form after form before during and after treatment. There are problems with the NHS, mostly to do with funding - the problem here being as more terminal diseases become chronic instead, the more it costs to treat.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

^
Walking away from a car accident "with just a scratch" but a 12k medical bill--there's probably more to that story. If you had rolled your car in France or England--here's a guess--they wouldn't have handed you a 12K bill. Probably $2500.

Our country is so bass awkward that what other citizens pay in taxes we pay much more (per dollar) into "free" market cartels like health insurance companies who work (scam) with pharma cartels and yet our system still has higher costs than everyone else's... Gee, that's not fair. Maybe if we had Gov't regulators, oh wait, we allow lobbyists to run regulation in this country. Nevermind about regulation.

It's not like there are a set of expensive awesome medical textbooks that only American doctors have access to and all these other countries use inferior medical texts...

The healthcare problems run much much deeper than what the tea bagger supremacists can comprehend.

It wasn't a medical bill; I lost my car, had to purchase a new car, pay a grand to get my license back and then of course the creeps sent me a bill in the mail for a light pole I hit. Before you and others on here try to rip me a new asshole, I entirely agree I got what I deserved that night, although the boys bailed on me when they went to the club, the fucks. I was never supposed to drive that night but I felt like He-man.

But no, there was no bill for any medical costs, and fortunately for me after working my tail off several years out of high school I had a significant sum of money that is going to go to a business. The bottom line is this Obamacare shit doesn't make any sense, and that's why the bill is going to be repealed when congress reconvenes after the tragedy that occured the other day.

I mean, you wanna break it down for me - the "single-payer" code words? It's partly why I started the thread, titties.

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

next time you sprain your ankle or break something, rather than pay, just build your on plastic cast :hatsoff:

Considering they didn't do anything for me but give me a plastic piece of shit, I would have never walked into that hospital because I knew all about the bills. But my girl was so damn persistent and her family even got on me, so I was kind of dragged to that swindle factory.

 

[Legzman]

So I was going over some old paperwork as I prepare to move out of my current residence, and I came across the paperwork for my visit to the ER a couple years ago for a sprained ankle.

Now, after they gave me a couple x-rays, they gave me a cheap plastic "brace" for the ankle that looks about as cheap as sometihng you would find at the Dollar Store.

Price: about $300.00 for the flakey plastic brace POS. Never mind the fact that the second I walked into that ER they hit me with about a quick $400.00 right off the bat, but the price for that "brace" really sticks in my craw.

Now I know our current healthcare is superior to places like the U.K. and Canada and at my age with my health I don't really even feel like I need health care, but seriously, $300.00 for a flimsy plastic POS? :dunno:

Something stinks.

same as gas prices. They know people need it, and so can get away with raping people for shit they need. Make a profit on your misfortune in this case. That thing cost only .25c to make.

 

[TheOrangeCat]

same as gas prices. They know people need it, and so can get away with raping people for shit they need. Make a profit on your misfortune in this case. That thing cost only .25c to make.

LEGAL NOTICE

From: Crappy Plastic Things Manufacturing Company Inc (a wholly owned subsidiary of Things You Don't Need But Will Be Socially Pressured Into Buying SA)

To: Legzman

Sir,

Your above post is highly libelous. It cost 30c to make. So fuck off.

Sincerely,

The Company
(We know where you live, we know who your friends are)

 

[Doc Scurlock]

Yes, because this makes complete sense. Canadians pay for our medicare system, and as such it is Canadians who benefit from it. So naturally, you need a card to prove that you contribute to the system. If you don't have one, you need to pay for your treatment just like in the US. We don't have a medicare system just so people from other nations can come and get free health care. :dunno:

Your logic. I don't follow. Too hard. Ugh. :spin:

 

[D-rock]

That price includes R&D, lobby dollars, lawsuits, insurance and all kinds of shit you'd never think about.

It's the same reason why an aspirin costs $14 in the hospital. $13.90 of that goes into the till in the event that somebody has an undiagnosed aspirin allergy and kicks the bucket. Legal fees and court awarding ain't cheap.

The last I heard things like tort reform and limiting damages from malpractice suits might reduce cost of medical care in this country by around 2%, maybe. That whole threat of a lawsuit and other similar things that are an excuse of why medical cost are so high are just that, and excuse. The overwhelming reason is the massive amounts of profits that people in the industry want to make on a system that should be a human right, but instead we have allowed to be treated like a normal business.

 

[Rey C.]

The last I heard things like tort reform and limiting damages from malpractice suits might reduce cost of medical care in this country by around 2%, maybe. That whole threat of a lawsuit and other similar things that are an excuse of why medical cost are so high are just that, and excuse. The overwhelming reason is the massive amounts of profits that people in the industry want to make on a system that should be a human right, but instead we have allowed to be treated like a normal business.

There should be an option on here that a person can give 2x rep at least once a month!

You're exactly right! :clap: I'm not sure why people think that reducing costs means a reduction in prices. Reducing costs (at a static sales price) means an increase in profitability! As long as demand remains roughly the same, why in the world would a company reduce prices just because their costs have gone down???!!! But on the flipside, companies do try to raise prices (until they begin to affect demand) if costs increase. And they do that... to protect the profit margin.

Let's say a (successful) doctor goes from paying $150K a year to $75K a year in malpractice premiums. What do you think he's going to do with that windfall, reduce his office visit rate or use the extra cash to upgrade from a Mercedes E Class to a Mercedes S Class? I bet a Mercedes dealership will get a call from him before a sign painter will (to change the prices on the board).

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

This was the link I was looking for:

http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=5207702&postcount=97

 

[Whit]

Bloody, you sound clueless and naive with more and more of your non-sports related posts. And the ultimate narcissist too -- "Gee, I never knew healthcare was expensive in this country"

But you who seem to know so much about everything but you don't want to actually deal with real problems like ridiculous health costs until you actually need it. Solving problems and getting angry when the shit hits the fan--probably not the best moment to make rational decisions, huh?

And in the end he blames it on Obama! HaHa
I watch Fox and know everything yet I know nothing.

 

[PierreDK]

I'm glad I live in a country where healthcare is still payed over the taxes. Unfortunately the conservative-liberal (in the european meaning of the words) government is trying to destroy that great system.

 

[funkipman]

HEY!!!!! I make those "POS" braces and they cost that for a reason!!!! It's a labor intensive process AND they're made with love... or something:elaugh:









i do it all for the LULZ

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

And in the end he blames it on Obama! HaHa
I watch Fox and know everything yet I know nothing.

If you know so much about "Obamacare," break it down for me, smart guy. I never said I examined Obamacare sufficiently but was sort of inquiring about how a plastic piece was $300.

HEY!!!!! I make those "POS" braces and they cost that for a reason!!!! It's a labor intensive process AND they're made with love... or something:elaugh:









i do it all for the LULZ

I would LOVE to see the production costs. Link?

 

[Facetious]

So I was going over some old paperwork as I prepare to move out of my current residence, and I came across the paperwork for my visit to the ER a couple years ago for a sprained ankle.

Now, after they gave me a couple x-rays, they gave me a cheap plastic "brace" for the ankle that looks about as cheap as sometihng you would find at the Dollar Store.

Price: about $300.00 for the flakey plastic brace POS. Never mind the fact that the second I walked into that ER they hit me with about a quick $400.00 right off the bat, but the price for that "brace" really sticks in my craw.

Now I know our current healthcare is superior to places like the U.K. and Canada and at my age with my health I don't really even feel like I need health care, but seriously, $300.00 for a flimsy plastic POS? :dunno:

Something stinks.

If it hasn't already been said, you're paying these high prices because you are subsidizing those who don't have the ability to pay.

Look at you energy bill, Scott, don't you have to pay a "Public Purpose Program" fee? I have to pay an additional $4.00 each billing cycle to make sure that the lazy people in society can be cozy in their subsidized homes.


:dunno: what are ya gonna do :dunno:

 

[Bloodshot Scott]

If it hasn't already been said, you're paying these high prices because you are subsidizing those who don't have the ability to pay.

Look at you energy bill, Scott, don't you have to pay a "Public Purpose Program" fee? I have to pay an additional $4.00 each billing cycle to make sure that the lazy people in society can be cozy in their subsidized homes.


:dunno: what are ya gonna do :dunno:

I would suppose so, my brother, I would suppose so. It's just that can't they be more up-front about it? I would love for this to be more publicized and of course for why it is where it is (dumbasses taking ambulances to ER rooms, for example).

 

[Ulysses31]

Now I know our current healthcare is superior to places like the U.K.

It needs to be as it appears Americans are generally unhealthier than people from the UK according to US researchers. ps You get what you pay for, even if we don't spend a penny we get acceptable (if slow) treatment for minor/non life threatening ailments and excellent treatment for life threatening illnesses and accident & emergency situations, we can also get private healthcare if we choose to pay for it and that is probably gonna be the best healthcare you can get anywhere in the world


English are 'healthier than Americans at all ages' despite spending far less on healthcare.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...espite-spending-healthcare.html#ixzz1GCJ1zG7e

Two women enjoy a burger and chips in New York. U.S researchers have found people in England are healthier than Americans despite rising levels of obesity on both sides of the Atlantic