Harry Patch dies at 111

[marquis2]

In the trenches they were lions led by donkey's.

The officers there should have been the ones shot for incompetence, not the ones shooting men and boys for so-called desertion and the likes. Some of the actions commited by officers were a crime in it's self and a needless waste of life.

The most famous football match of all time happened in WWI. During Xmas in the trenches when all sides came out and had a game together before heading back to their dug outs. And the officers of both sides started charging the soldiers with offences afterwards. That's bullshit.

R.I.P Henry and Harry.

This is a gross distortion of the truth.Officers had a disproportionate number of casualties, a lot more generals were killed than in WW2.I once knew a veteran who served the whole 4 years-he was an educated man but refused a commission several times because he knew the life expectancy of officers.He remained a sergeant until 1918 (when in fact he took a commission)
The problem was that technology favoured defence and you don't win a war by being defensive.Haig was in fact very keen on new technology ; the tank was just one thing he fully supported.Look at the link below;I quote a paragraph from it

>>"Haig, however, was no technophobe. He encouraged the development of advanced weaponry such as tanks, machine guns and aircraft. He, like Rawlinson and a host of other commanders at all levels in the BEF, learned from experience. The result was that by 1918 the British army was second to none in its modernity and military ability. It was led by men who, if not military geniuses, were at least thoroughly competent commanders. The victory in 1918 was the payoff. The 'lions led by donkeys' tag should be dismissed for what it is - a misleading caricature.<<
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/lions_donkeys_01.shtml

 

[Ravenholm]

This is a gross distortion of the truth.Officers had a disproportionate number of casualties, a lot more generals were killed than in WW2.I once knew a veteran who served the whole 4 years-he was an educated man but refused a commission several times because he knew the life expectancy of officers.He remained a sergeant until 1918 (when in fact he took a commission)
The problem was that technology favoured defence and you don't win a war by being defensive.Haig was in fact very keen on new technology ; the tank was just one thing he fully supported.Look at the link below;I quote a paragraph from it

>>"Haig, however, was no technophobe. He encouraged the development of advanced weaponry such as tanks, machine guns and aircraft. He, like Rawlinson and a host of other commanders at all levels in the BEF, learned from experience. The result was that by 1918 the British army was second to none in its modernity and military ability. It was led by men who, if not military geniuses, were at least thoroughly competent commanders. The victory in 1918 was the payoff. The 'lions led by donkeys' tag should be dismissed for what it is - a misleading caricature.<<
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/lions_donkeys_01.shtml

Gross distortion of the truth is far from what that is. And denial wont change that. So what if there was one or three decent officers amount them. There just wasn't enough of them, that was the problem.

 

[habo9]

And I was only pointing out that One(death of a single lowly foot soldier) & the most famous entertainer in the world have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Only an idiot like you would bother to compare them in this thread & even started another about the subject(Among the other nonsensical threads you've started I've noticed).

You suggested that bringing up MJ would get a more vigorous response to an otherwise ignored thread & it did.
You got what the hell you wanted so what's the problem.:dunno:



But the only pathetic view I see here is one even suggesting that a single grunt get more attention than a beloved Artist & the whining because it will never be so. Not much to dispute in what I'm saying.
:wave2:

For all this fawning over a dead (really bad) pop star , I have not met 1 person in real life that gives a shit about MJ only on TV & on the web does anyone really say anything (& if I want to have a serious discussion on things I will go to other forums , It will not be on a porn forum but with the level of your replies I take it this is a serious forum for you)

Goodbye :hatsoff:

 

[marquis2]

Gross distortion of the truth is far from what that is. And denial wont change that. So what if there was one or three decent officers amount them. There just wasn't enough of them, that was the problem.

No. The myth that they were lions led by donkeys just doesn't stand up to investigation.They were lions OK but the donkeys bit is a massive injustice.The basic problem was this; that the armies had dug in and were equipped with formidable defensive weapons.Attacking troops had to advance under withering fire while reinforcements to the defending side could be moved by train.Attempts to destroy the defensive capacity of the enemy by shellfire simply churned up the mud and made progress more difficult.During the course of the war massive innovations were brought in , from better shell fuzes to front line radio communication with the artillery and air support.Tanks were introduced in large numbers but were slow and unreliable , nevertheless they represented a way out of the stalemate. Surprisingly the Germans hardly built any tanks at all.But with all this said, the only way to win the war was to advance over open country.It didn't take donkeys to lead this it took the very best .The Germans were very respectful of their leadership quality and considered it better than their own.

 

[girk1]

For all this fawning over a dead (really bad) pop star , I have not met 1 person in real life that gives a shit about MJ only on TV & on the web does anyone really say anything (& if I want to have a serious discussion on things I will go to other forums , It will not be on a porn forum but with the level of your replies I take it this is a serious forum for you)

Goodbye :hatsoff:

The internet is one of the worst & very fastest places for lies to be spread by idiots(like you) & I have a very low tolerance for untruths no matter where they are told.

Well MJ has sold well over 10 million albums(or more) since his death alone,held all top ten Billboard album spots(both unprecendented in music history) ,A billion people watched his memorial worldwide even though it was on a Tuesday(workday) morning, had all four(4) Major US news networks cover his memorial 'live' with their "A" team anchors, unprecendented web response,etc....................Nothing like it in music History & he wasnt anywhere near his peak.

All this obviously while you were in your mother's basement & the world passed you by. Sorry you missed it all.


If a porn board is serious/trivial(?) enough for you to get annoyed that some ex soldier who was lucky enough to outlive his comrades then I can surely set the record straight on a Pop Singer can't I:dunno:

 

[marquis2]

The internet is one of the worst & very fastest places for lies to be spread by idiots(like you) & I have a very low tolerance for untruths no matter where they are told.

Well MJ has sold well over 10 million albums(or more) since his death alone,held all top ten Billboard album spots(both unprecendented in music history) ,A billion people watched his memorial worldwide even though it was on a Tuesday(workday) morning, had all four(4) Major US news networks cover his memorial 'live' with their "A" team anchors, unprecendented web response,etc....................Nothing like it in music History & he wasnt anywhere near his peak.

All this obviously while you were in your mother's basement & the world passed you by. Sorry You Missed it all.


If a porn board is serious/trivial(?) enough for you to get annoyed that some ex soldier who was lucky enough to outlive his comrades then I can surely set the record straight on a Pop Singer can't I:dunno:

Who were all these people who watched the memorial? I can quite honestly say with my hand on my heart that I don't know of ANYBODY who watched it.No doubt though I've been counted in the billion.

 

[skechers]

Warrior?!? You obviously don't know much about Harry Patch!

Except that he was a veteran of World War One, I know nothing of Harry Patch, and have never claimed otherwise.


I really don't care to learn, either. I don't think the man himself would want much recognition. Or the responsibility of having the all lumped with the one.

Thank you for your service, sir. Rest well. I hope the next step is something beautiful and amazing.

 

[skechers]

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[girk1]

Who were all these people who watched the memorial? I can quite honestly say with my hand on my heart that I don't know of ANYBODY who watched it.No doubt though I've been counted in the billion.

The same Billion that didn't care that Harry Patch died.

 

[BlueBalls]

Is this debate really constructive? Who really thought it was a good idea to compare the two individuals, they both did great things in their own way but they were polar opposites of one another. Just leave it at that. There's no need to start disrespecting either of their accomplishments. It's just petty.

What am I saying, this is FreeOnes! Of course it's not constuctive.

 

[skechers]

Is this debate really constructive? Who really thought it was a good idea to compare the two individuals, they both did great things in their own way but they were polar opposites of one another. Just leave it at that. There's no need to start disrespecting either of their accomplishments. It's just petty.

What am I saying, this is FreeOnes! Of course it's not constuctive.

Good call.