Government Shuts Down As Congress Fails To Reach Spending Agreement
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political parties SMH and we wonder why they are called "parties" because that's what they do, they throw big parties but never get anything done that truly benefits the people, being a member of a political party is basically akin to being a cult member, maybe one day people will realize that we need results not cults
The repubs voted to negotiate a deal with the dems and Obama has refused to negotiate with those that are willing to try and work out a deal. Meanwhile he is more than willing to negotiate with Iran who kill their own people and fund terror against Americans. Fucking asshat.
Just as it is the responibility of the senate to put forward a budget. Which they haven't done in how many years now?
The last time there was a government shutdown they tried to pin it all on the repubs and they maintained the majority for 10 years beyond that. So they can stick to their guns for all I care. No the repubs don't have to negotiate but they have offered to. The honus is on Obama to work something out. Not the repubs.
The last time there was a government shutdown they tried to pin it all on the repubs and they maintained the majority for 10 years beyond that. So they can stick to their guns for all I care. No the repubs don't have to negotiate but they have offered to. The honus is on Obama to work something out. Not the repubs.
Mariahxxx
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please tell me what compromise means? when both sides give up something to where both sides are satisfied right? well what the republicans are demanding is not negotiable. it's already law, upheld 40+ times including the supreme court. the republicans already got more into the ACA than what was originally wanted, now that isn't good enough. Taxes on earners of more than $250k and medical devices are what fund ACA. the republicans are demanding to get rid of the medical devices tax which which makes up 8-one-hundredths of the federal budget.
So why pick on medical devices?
Because if the health care law works as it's supposed to, sales of medical devices will get an added boost from the tens of millions of new patients covered by health insurance, all of whom will need care from providers and hospitals that will have to buy more devices.
If the law generates more profit for the medical device industry, the thinking goes, it can afford to help pay for the law. The added revenue boost is expected to help the $130-billion-a-year industry grow by high single digits as the law kicks in, according to a report from research firm IHS.
Among the six biggest companies in the Fortune 500, five had profit margins of roughly 15 percent or higher. So the White House figures that if the new law helps generate 15 cents in profits for every dollar spent on new devices, the industry can afford to spend 2.3 cents to help underwrite expanded coverage.
Obamacare should be delayed but not this way
Sen. John Barrasso, (R-WY), explains why he thinks there should be a delay in the individual health care mandate of the Affordable Care Act, but not necessarily at the expense of shutting down the government.
That makes sense. So why is this such a big issue?
Because the industry employs about 400,000 people—many of whom work and vote in Democratic congressional districts. Between them, the top five device makers are based in states with eight Senate Democrats, including Baxter International (Illinois), Medtronic (Minnesota), Stryker (Michigan), Becton Dickenson (New Jersey) and Boston Scientific (Massachusetts).
AdvaMed, the industry's largest trade group, has also argued that not all device makers generate Fortune 500-sized profits, and that the tax will hurt job creation, reduce investment in new medical devices and raise health care costs because some device makers will just pass along the tax cost.
Just in case those arguments didn't work, device makers have spent more than $150 million since 2008 lobbying to overturn the tax. The money was apparently well-spent. In July, 79 senators supported a resolution opposing the device tax, including 30 Democrats. A House bill to repeal the tax picked up 260 co-sponsors.
So why hasn't the tax been repealed?
Because the White House—with some justification—figures that if opponents of the Affordable Care Act succeed in picking off pieces of it, the law will quickly unravel. To answer complaints that the new law was a budget–buster, the White House added the tax as one of many offsets to cover the cost of insurance not covered by premiums paid by individuals or their employees. Start taking away those offsets and the law gets very expensive, very quickly.
More recently, both the president and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., have said they refuse to let the threat of a government shutdown become a weapon for one branch of Congress to hold the government hostage to their demands.
Reid apparently thinks he's got the votes in the Senate to stand his ground. A spokesman told The Associated Press said the Senate will reject any funding bill that includes a repeal of the device tax.
"Absolutely not," White House spokesman Jay Carney said when asked if President Barack Obama would support repeal.
So unless House Republicans back down, the government will run out of funding because of a stalemate over $2.9 billion—or about 0.08 percent of the $3.8 trillion federal budget.
So why pick on medical devices?
Because if the health care law works as it's supposed to, sales of medical devices will get an added boost from the tens of millions of new patients covered by health insurance, all of whom will need care from providers and hospitals that will have to buy more devices.
If the law generates more profit for the medical device industry, the thinking goes, it can afford to help pay for the law. The added revenue boost is expected to help the $130-billion-a-year industry grow by high single digits as the law kicks in, according to a report from research firm IHS.
Among the six biggest companies in the Fortune 500, five had profit margins of roughly 15 percent or higher. So the White House figures that if the new law helps generate 15 cents in profits for every dollar spent on new devices, the industry can afford to spend 2.3 cents to help underwrite expanded coverage.
Obamacare should be delayed but not this way
Sen. John Barrasso, (R-WY), explains why he thinks there should be a delay in the individual health care mandate of the Affordable Care Act, but not necessarily at the expense of shutting down the government.
That makes sense. So why is this such a big issue?
Because the industry employs about 400,000 people—many of whom work and vote in Democratic congressional districts. Between them, the top five device makers are based in states with eight Senate Democrats, including Baxter International (Illinois), Medtronic (Minnesota), Stryker (Michigan), Becton Dickenson (New Jersey) and Boston Scientific (Massachusetts).
AdvaMed, the industry's largest trade group, has also argued that not all device makers generate Fortune 500-sized profits, and that the tax will hurt job creation, reduce investment in new medical devices and raise health care costs because some device makers will just pass along the tax cost.
Just in case those arguments didn't work, device makers have spent more than $150 million since 2008 lobbying to overturn the tax. The money was apparently well-spent. In July, 79 senators supported a resolution opposing the device tax, including 30 Democrats. A House bill to repeal the tax picked up 260 co-sponsors.
So why hasn't the tax been repealed?
Because the White House—with some justification—figures that if opponents of the Affordable Care Act succeed in picking off pieces of it, the law will quickly unravel. To answer complaints that the new law was a budget–buster, the White House added the tax as one of many offsets to cover the cost of insurance not covered by premiums paid by individuals or their employees. Start taking away those offsets and the law gets very expensive, very quickly.
More recently, both the president and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., have said they refuse to let the threat of a government shutdown become a weapon for one branch of Congress to hold the government hostage to their demands.
Reid apparently thinks he's got the votes in the Senate to stand his ground. A spokesman told The Associated Press said the Senate will reject any funding bill that includes a repeal of the device tax.
"Absolutely not," White House spokesman Jay Carney said when asked if President Barack Obama would support repeal.
So unless House Republicans back down, the government will run out of funding because of a stalemate over $2.9 billion—or about 0.08 percent of the $3.8 trillion federal budget.
The House is within their rights to try and broker some sort of deal.
Everyone else are also within their rights to see that they passed the spending legislation and they are either twits and didn't do the math to understand that their spending would get them into more debt or they are not negotiating in good faith.
Either way, they loose. If this purges the Republican party of the idiots, good for them.
Everyone else are also within their rights to see that they passed the spending legislation and they are either twits and didn't do the math to understand that their spending would get them into more debt or they are not negotiating in good faith.
Either way, they loose. If this purges the Republican party of the idiots, good for them.
It's law but it was passed by democrats. Laws can be changed and that is within their rights to try and change it. And it will be before the SCOTUS again bank on it. Damn autocomplete has Honus instead of onus. either that or I have been watching too much baseball this weekend
Mariahxxx
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it was upheld by the supreme court. the republican party is already in serious trouble, by their own admission. so maybe they should spend a little time on doing things that bring them together rather than split them apart and make people on the fence write them off.
I know it's because the companies who are now going to be required to provide care have hammered them hard on it. they can't just ignore their biggest base, corporate america. they could give a fuck what 90% of the people in this country want.
and BC I got the Honus reference - Ive seen that card in person.
I know it's because the companies who are now going to be required to provide care have hammered them hard on it. they can't just ignore their biggest base, corporate america. they could give a fuck what 90% of the people in this country want.
and BC I got the Honus reference - Ive seen that card in person.
I gotta quit posting from this phone. I put u for v and the autocomplete drives me crazy. Pobably should send some in to Ellen
bahodeme
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The main reason for this quadmire is you have group is no leadership. Do you think O'Neil, LBJ, Thurmond or others allow Cruz to talk to House members about how to circumvent Boehner? I seriously doubt it. Likewise do you see ANYONE in either party as the group I mentioned where you could see brokering a deal? Since this isn't an election year there is no reason to deal.
Working on that now. I will still make the u for v error. I need reading glasses I think
bobjustbob
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First fuckin' line -
At 3;47AM, I am going to go have a stiff blast of vodka and toast my supernova-like hatred of the GOP/TP. They really do eat the peanuts out of my 2 day old fecal matter.
Fine. 30 federal workers. Watch out for the 60k blind people wandering aimlessly without the guidance of these 30 important people. Page down.
Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau. 450. Most tax duties will continue, but processing of requests for new licenses, label approval and manufacture of non-beverage products would cease.
Broadcasting Board of Governors 611. Broadcasters within the BBG network include the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. Total employees and total furloughed are rough, based on percentages. Most broadcasting activities would continue.
Corporation for National and Community Service. 538. It's core programs are Senior Corps, AmeriCorps and the Social Innovation Fund. Previously awarded grants and cooperative agreements will not be affected by the absence of current appropriations. However, no new grants will be awarded during this period and program and grants staff will not be available to provide assistance to grantees. Note that this only affects new applications and not those receiving the the benefits.
Department of Commerce. 40,234. Holy shit! Most research activities at the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration will be suspended; U.S Census Bureau activities will be suspended. How will we continue with our lives?
Export-Import Bank of the United States Export-Import Bank has 409 employees. In the event of a furlough, the ban expects to retain 17 employees (4.1% of Ex-Im Bank's workforce) and three contractors. Wow, they can still run the place on 17 people.
Keep paging down on that list and count the number of people handing out federal money for the arts and other such shit. 86,000 at the IRS. Don't worry, their paperwork will be there on their desk when the shutdown is over.
Yeah I wear glasses and contacts sometimes. I am near sighted. Reading glasses are in my immediate future
The President won an election with this as one of his major platforms.
It passed through all levels of government, and was signed in to law.
It was upheld by the highest court in the land as constitutional and was upheld as the law.
There are now a very small minority of jack ass people in government who are unwilling to allow this legal course of action to take place, so they are highjacking the entire government. This is bullshit that should not be allowed to happen.
Take the tea party out of the equation, and this shut down would be over. Today. Look at how Speaker Boehner is already positioning himself to be able to assist in getting the votes to avoid defaulting by reaching across the aisle.
Incidentally, a lot of people are saying that this shut down has convinced them to not pronounce Speaker Boehner's name correctly. I feel that is a mistake. A boner is upright and impressive. The Speaker is not.
It passed through all levels of government, and was signed in to law.
It was upheld by the highest court in the land as constitutional and was upheld as the law.
There are now a very small minority of jack ass people in government who are unwilling to allow this legal course of action to take place, so they are highjacking the entire government. This is bullshit that should not be allowed to happen.
Take the tea party out of the equation, and this shut down would be over. Today. Look at how Speaker Boehner is already positioning himself to be able to assist in getting the votes to avoid defaulting by reaching across the aisle.
Incidentally, a lot of people are saying that this shut down has convinced them to not pronounce Speaker Boehner's name correctly. I feel that is a mistake. A boner is upright and impressive. The Speaker is not.
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