dungeons and dragons (D&D) anyone?
I have not played 4e in a long time, and not at all the new essentials. I would suggest playing a better game 
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Though honestly, I remember you get new HP, A new Attack Bonus, One more in your saves, and a new ability.
.Though honestly, I remember you get new HP, A new Attack Bonus, One more in your saves, and a new ability.
Petra
Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
Check out Dark Conspiracy originally created by GDW its supposedly in the making for a new edition. But I havent kept up to date in the past year with the internet group I was part of. It was by far my favourite game mechanic and story plot. You are human on earth and the year is 2050 (you can correct me later if i am wrong with that) from the beginning of exsistance dark minions such as the yeti, the vampire stories you heard, trolls and Extra Terrestial life forms have formed popular culture myth. But with the crash of an economy in the early 2010 Dark portals have been opening up across the world.
Anyway lets go straight to this link below
http://www.42north.org/mjm/rpg/dc/DarkRaces/
and scroll to open your mind some
You can get the main rule book of course probably on ******* or irc, but I would highly recommend getting it for $4 from ebay. Its well worth the print. Uses D6 mainly and for car, space and explosions a D10 ( I could be wrong this is roughly 15 years ago btw )
Also check out this game online. Just found it so I cannot recommend it but it looks in the same ball park http://rebornthegame.com/home.html
Anyway lets go straight to this link below
http://www.42north.org/mjm/rpg/dc/DarkRaces/
and scroll to open your mind some
You can get the main rule book of course probably on ******* or irc, but I would highly recommend getting it for $4 from ebay. Its well worth the print. Uses D6 mainly and for car, space and explosions a D10 ( I could be wrong this is roughly 15 years ago btw )
Also check out this game online. Just found it so I cannot recommend it but it looks in the same ball park http://rebornthegame.com/home.html
Petra
Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
I played a one shot of Dark Conspiracy at the con last year...was a lot of fun. ;-)
Honestly, there's a lot of great games out there that don't sap you for every dime like Wizards tends to. That's why I like Savage Worlds so much...1 core book and then your setting book (unfortunately those tend to be a little more expensive depending on which setting...but worth it. I do think Necessary Evil revised is around 12 euro...
Honestly, there's a lot of great games out there that don't sap you for every dime like Wizards tends to. That's why I like Savage Worlds so much...1 core book and then your setting book (unfortunately those tend to be a little more expensive depending on which setting...but worth it. I do think Necessary Evil revised is around 12 euro...
Unfortunately the book is off the market Or I'd suggest Marvel U. It was cheap and all three books have less than 350 pages. You only need one book to play. The others are expansions for X-Men and The Avengers
Or Shadowrun. A one time payment of like 40 bucks. I LOVE shadowrun.
Or Shadowrun. A one time payment of like 40 bucks. I LOVE shadowrun.
I liked Shadowrun and Mechwarrior back in the day. I also liked playing the Battletech board game back then also. I always liked the Battletech setting until they started ruining it. I don't know if there is any newer version of Shadowrun. (And even if there is I don't know if I would even want to play them now.)
Also I remember the d6 Star Wars game by West End Games made way back. They has some of the best fluff in their source material for a RPG.
Not that I like defending Wizards or Hasbro, and I'm sure they are worse than ever, and I haven't bought any 4th addition stuff so maybe they just screw people around like that, but before, getting the two or three core books would take people a very long ways in creating their own worlds and adventures with a little imagination for people that didn't want to get crazy buying additional source material. Of course like I said they might have it to milk their customers for all they are worth now. :dunno:
I'll admit that D&D 3.5 type stuff and probably most other editions aren't the best if one wants a really simple system, or at least one without a lot of things to remember.
Petra
Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
In general, you'll find me pretty down on d20 in general. Call it either enlightenment to non-d20 or burnout from a system with waaay too many modifiers and rules.
The only 2 games I'll play these days that involve a d20 is Paranoia and TORG (actually got a complete box a few years ago).
Shadowrun is an excellent game. It's a shame I've never been able to play in an actual campaign...just con games. However, one thing I've noticed since we were going to do a campaign for my weekly group, for new players it's pretty overwhelming. Especially when you have a GM that doesn't "ease" newbie players into it.
Aside from his wife, I was the only vetran at the table and while I was fine since I knew the basics...looking through the books I thought the heads of the other 4 players were going to explode. My husband was trying to make his character and finally just said fuck it.
In general, you'll find me pretty down on d20 in general. Call it either enlightenment to non-d20 or burnout from a system with waaay too many modifiers and rules.
The only 2 games I'll play these days that involve a d20 is Paranoia and TORG (actually got a complete box a few years ago).
Shadowrun is an excellent game. It's a shame I've never been able to play in an actual campaign...just con games. However, one thing I've noticed since we were going to do a campaign for my weekly group, for new players it's pretty overwhelming. Especially when you have a GM that doesn't "ease" newbie players into it.
Honestly as far as systems go the D20 rules is probably my favorite. I say that 3.5 is the best system I've ever played.
As for Shadowrun. Yea. Our group tried to get my girlfriend who is not a gamer to play. She quit playing with us after trying to make a character.
Petra
Cult Mother and Simpering Cunt
How did she like it?
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
she did really well. she liked it. i walked her through the red box tutorial "pick your own adventure" thing and she had no problem getting it down. the only thing i wasnt sure on (since ive never dealt with wizards or magic users before) was range on magic.
i always considered magic to be a ranged attack but i dont think thats the case in d&d or at least 4e. but either way, she figured it out and now i have developed a plan to integrate her on my girls ongoing adventure so we can all play together.
the only downfall is shes visiting from out of state so we gotta cram as much playing time as we can while we got an extra player.
Magic is not always ranged. It should say somewhere. One thing I do not like about D&D is Cleric cannot "Throw" healing. They have to touch the target.
Some wizard spells are like that. shocking grasp and Chill Touch (3.5 not sure about 4e) you have to touch the target as well.
Some wizard spells are like that. shocking grasp and Chill Touch (3.5 not sure about 4e) you have to touch the target as well.
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
yeah, on closer inspection it looks like some things have range, whereas somethings sorta dont. the bursts and blasts are easy enough to figure out i suppose.
Also remember, (At least in editions earlier than 4th because I'm not that familiar with it, it's been a year or two since I have read through some of it, and I don't have any of it's books at the moment) that ranged spells can also be different based on what spell it is. A spell that's a "ray" (Also not to be confused with "line" which is what a lightning bolt is.), for example, is made differently than a spell like a fireball. A spell that's a ranged touch attack like a ray or anything that says ranged touch attack in the spell description you have to actually have your spell caster make a touch attack roll to see if he hits the target. A fireball that's a "spread" is different, in that you just pick a spot within the targets distance for it to go off and it's effects take place there.
(Now watch somebody is going to come and tell me it's completely different in 4th edition.) :1orglaugh
(Now watch somebody is going to come and tell me it's completely different in 4th edition.) :1orglaugh
squallumz
knows petras secret: she farted.
cool dude. ill keep that in mind and appreciate the pointers. i should have brushed up on magic users before my sister decided she wanted to be one. im getting the hang of it though.
You learn more by awkwardly stumbling though the game than you do by reading the books. Don't worry about it too much.
Well we just got done playing Pathfinder this week. Our GM ran us through another kill a bunch of Goblin dungeons. He is not very good.
Well we just got done playing Pathfinder this week. Our GM ran us through another kill a bunch of Goblin dungeons. He is not very good.
