Death Row Sniper Has Final Appeal Refused

[BlueBalls]

The forfeiture of anything (including one's life) as a sanction is prima facie punishment. Vengeance is retaliation.

You could argue punishment and retaliation are cousins but they're not one and the same.

I guess the best example I can demonstrate is children who are loved experience punishment for the actions. Children that are abused experience vengeance for their actions.

But doesn't that just go back to the old "eye for an eye" mindset of the biblical age. If as you say the taking of a life must in fact be substituted with the taking of another (a simplistic example but you get my meaning), doesn't that just make those who carry it out as guilty as the criminal they're putting to death? A life is a life after all no matter how despicable it may have been or how much we the public hated them, he/she still is a conscious living being and to take that away brings us as a society down to their level. Is this not the same thing? I'm sure you'll argue that the two are separate events but how could they be, a life is taken in both accounts. It's just that in one instance it is under the banner of punishment whereas the other was done under the circumstances known only to the individual. I find this excuse to be a copout. I’ll reiterate my previous point; capital punishment by its very nature is nothing more than an act of revenge.

The state should have no right to kill people unless it feels the need to live by its own rules.

Prisons are there for a reason. They are there so that those who do not live by societal rules can be removed for an extended period depending on the severity of their crime which is regulated by the government. A life sentence for the taking of a life seems like far more of a punishment for such a crime in a civilised society than the state killing them ever would.

[Written quickly so if there are any errors or if I ramble, I apologise]

 

[Hot Mega]

I’ll reiterate my previous point; capital punishment by its very nature is nothing more than an act of revenge.

We just disagree.:o

 

[STDiva]

The death penalty should be used more often. The guy killed all those people. Why should he live??

 

[JacknCoke]

Not to mention the tax dollars for having to keep him fed and taken care of while serving his time up to this point.

This is what I was thinking. How much in tax dollars does it cost to keep the average life sentence inmate in prison? I know it's a weak argument and you would think most people would think that rotting in prison is the way to "deter" people from committing these crimes but I truly have to wonder with some sick animals.

 

[jasonk282]

The victim's family members should be the ones that get to kill him. In reality it's not going to solve anything, it won't bring back the victim's or their lives. it would be better for him to serve a life sentence and every week a victim family member can come in prision for a visit and mock him through the glass.

 

[BlueBalls]

We just disagree.:o

Okay then, I guess we'll just have to agree to do so.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

I like what Boortz had to say about it for the most part:

As usual, I have a better idea. Tie him to a post in the middle of a field. Tell him that he is going to be shot through the heart ... but don't tell him when. Let the agony build. Let him stand there for hours ... perhaps days. Every once in a while someone can fire a shot from a hidden location into the dirt at his feet. Then a voice can come out of the woods: "Oops! Missed! You hold on, John, while I go get another bullet. Be right back." Finally someone can fire a shot that shatters his knee. "Damn, John! I forgot to allow for windage! Hang in there pal, need another bullet. We'll be right back to finish you off." Then, about an hour later ... the coup de gras.

The other half, meh, perhaps. I would just let the agony build in him with the sound of fire making him wince and getting all the more nervous.

 

[Will E Worm]

Too bad it is only lethal injection after what this guy did.

In some cases I am against the death penalty, and sometimes I am all for it. In this guy's case, I am all for it. Kill him.

It should be the electric chair or stoning.

It's not about bringing anyone back and the death penalty is justified in a case like this.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is self-righteous. :tongue:

Numbers 35:16 (KJV)
16: And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

 

[Friday on my mind]

This is what I was thinking. How much in tax dollars does it cost to keep the average life sentence inmate in prison? I know it's a weak argument and you would think most people would think that rotting in prison is the way to "deter" people from committing these crimes but I truly have to wonder with some sick animals.

While not my reason for being opposed to the death penalty I have to point out all studies show because of the automatic appeals etc it costs more then a life sentence.

But here is my reason for opposing the death penalty in all cases.Way to many cases of unequal use of the death penalty and abuse (frame jobs by police and prosecutors) that led to 100% innocent people being sentenced to death.Some have been saved,many have not been.You would think that even someone guilty might have hard time being sentenced to death.It is just unbeleivable someone who was proven later to be innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt could have been found guilty and sentenced to death.America is only western civilized country that still uses it.



http://www.innocenceproject.org/

 

[Hot Mega]

While not my reason for being opposed to the death penalty I have to point out all studies show because of the automatic appeals etc it costs more then a life sentence.

But here is my reason for opposing the death penalty in all cases.Way to many cases of unequal use of the death penalty and abuse (frame jobs by police and prosecutors) that led to 100% innocent people being sentenced to death.Some have been saved,many have not been.You would think that even someone guilty might have hard time being sentenced to death.It is just unbeleivable someone who was proven later to be innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt could have been found guilty and sentenced to death.America is only western civilized country that still uses it.
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Those are extremely valid points....but you must admit cases like this in which the facts aren't in dispute are quite a bit different.

I have no problem with the burden for sentencing someone to death being set very high but the option for heinous, prima facie cases must be there.

 

[Will E Worm]

It should be the electric chair or stoning.

It's not about bringing anyone back and the death penalty is justified in a case like this.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is self-righteous. :tongue:

Numbers 35:16 (KJV)
16: And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

It should be the electric chair or stoning.

It's not about bringing anyone back and killing a murderer doesn't make anyone like them. It's justifiable to kill a murderer.

Liberals use cop-outs, they want people to feel guilty for carrying out justice.
The death penalty is justified in a case like this.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is self-righteous. :tongue:

Numbers 35:16 (KJV)
16: And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

You quoted yourself, Will E.... :hatsoff:

 

[Will E Worm]

You quoted yourself, Will E.... :hatsoff:

I was editing. :hatsoff:

 

[prof_porn]

The man deserves to be punished, but the death penalty is barbaric.

A lifetime in prison is surely the greatest punishment.

 

[Will E Worm]

The man deserves to be punished, but the death penalty is barbaric.

A lifetime in prison is surely the greatest punishment.

Do you live in America? Then you could move.

If you don't we can ship him to your country, with a stipulation that he is to never come back to America, Canada, or Mexico.

If you let him do this we can bomb your country. Deal?

 

[TrueTranssexual]

The bastard not only deserves to be killed, he also deserves to be tortured!:2 cents:

If life in jail was the ultimate punishment, he wouldn't have tried to appeal to the US Supreme Court last minute.

 

[prof_porn]

I am just a peacenik.

 

[~~whimsy~~]

His last meal menu should involve nothing but pork related dishes.

 

[gotham123]

ok hot mega i agree to a treaty :o

however Will E Worm
you cant pick and choose the parts of the bible you want to follow
before Numbers there is Leviticus which says you shouldn't masturbate or shave your beard or eat pork etc.
before that is Exodus where it says dont have lust for your neighbors wife, yet here we are all watching porn
if you want to quote the bible on this quote the New Testament where all Jesus talks about is unconditional love for your neighbors, i mean really which is a better message?

thats it, ok, i wash my hands of this thread :wave2:

 

[Hot Mega]

ok hot mega i agree to a treaty :o

however Will E Worm
you cant pick and choose the parts of the bible you want to follow
before Numbers there is Leviticus which says you shouldn't masturbate or shave your beard or eat pork etc.
before that is Exodus where it says dont have lust for your neighbors wife, yet here we are all watching porn
if you want to quote the bible on this quote the New Testament where all Jesus talks about is unconditional love for your neighbors, i mean really which is a better message?

thats it, ok, i wash my hands of this thread :wave2:

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