Yeah, I do disagree with what you wrote. It's spin , hell depends upon the article you read which is all political spin! I know about Dodd-Frank and I know about what the Congress passed back in 2018. I don't see how you have information to provide that this caused this to happen though. Go ahead and post another article with spin! I don't think there is quite enough information yet, but I am all for Dodd-Frank but as an American I am also all for our economy producing well too. I'm a moderate democrat but what you post my man is spin!
Convicted criminal President Donald Trump's Legacy
Little Red Wagon Repairman
MFOMBSoPGA
My dispute with you wasn’t over the banking situation or anything to do with your personal Boogeyman Donald Trump but your good guy vs bad guy cartoonish ideas about Republicans and Democrats. If I was in support of anyone it would be for Mr Dayster’s postings. It’s good to have some balance in your logic.
I'll answer that question with another question:
What did joe do to prevent the SVB collapse and Norfolk rail crash?
Luxman
#TRE45ON
Most people can't predict specific future bank collapses or rail crashes, that's why regulations are created, to prevent or minimize the risk of possible future bank failures or rail crashes.
If the regulations are repealed, the risk increases. Capitalism needs some regulations to protect the public and to reduce government and corporate corruption.
What was Joe supposed to do, undo all the changes Trump made? Because that's the only way he could have prevented the bank failure and rail crash, and the other Trump/republican "IED" time bombs that may blowup in the next few years.
The Trump/republicans repealed the regulations, and that caused or contributed to the bank collapse and rail crash, so they are responsible.
Why did the democrats enact the Dodd-Frank bank regulations in 2010?
Why did the Trump/republicans repeal parts of Dodd-Frank in 2018?
Democrats create regulations to protect the public, republicans repeal regulations to increase corporate shareholder profits.
Yes.
That's exactly what we are saying.
Is that too much to expect? Let's look at what happened when the shoe was on the other foot:
See, you understand!
Looks like joe dropped the ball on that one...
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John_8581
FreeOnes Lifetime Member
@Lee Van Queef and @tvstrip - way too critical of @Luxman here if I must say. You guys are like tag-team wrestlers ganging up on him.
Lastly, does Biden stuff belong in the Trump Legacy Thread? No. Put all of this in the Biden Presidency Thread.
You can blame President Biden all you want about the Silicon Valley Bank and the Signature Bank failures. Same with the Norfolk Southern Railway accident.
Though you're both kind of misguided here.
Let's take the Silicon Valley Bank and the Signature Bank failures (as the example here) :
It is Congress that proposes legislation. The President signs the bill into law. Bills start out in the House of Representatives. So the issue here is to strengthen banking regulations so banks like SVB and SB don't fail. If this was going to be under President Joe Biden ... this case, in 2021, a Democratic held House would have brought back the legislation building up the banks. However, the bill would never have gotten past the Senate. GOP Senators, holding a 50-48-2 edge, would filibuster it and then they would never vote for it. The bill would never have made it to President Biden's desk to become law.
Now since the 2022 elections, with the GOP's slim majority, making changes to the Economic Growth, Regulatory, Relief and Consumer Protection Act. It would never get out of any House Committees, and if it managed to get out, the bill would die on the House floor.
As for the bill that eased banking regulations which President Trump signed in 2018, it was a GOP controlled House, first with John Boehner then with Paul Ryan, that proposed it. The bill went onto pass the GOP controlled Senate. President Donald Trump then signed it into law on May 24, 2018.
In summary, with Trump, things (like passing legislation) early in his administration went smoothly. With Biden and even Obama? Not so much.
First get your facts right. Then you can argue with Lux all you want.
Lastly, does Biden stuff belong in the Trump Legacy Thread? No. Put all of this in the Biden Presidency Thread.
You can blame President Biden all you want about the Silicon Valley Bank and the Signature Bank failures. Same with the Norfolk Southern Railway accident.
Though you're both kind of misguided here.
Let's take the Silicon Valley Bank and the Signature Bank failures (as the example here) :
It is Congress that proposes legislation. The President signs the bill into law. Bills start out in the House of Representatives. So the issue here is to strengthen banking regulations so banks like SVB and SB don't fail. If this was going to be under President Joe Biden ... this case, in 2021, a Democratic held House would have brought back the legislation building up the banks. However, the bill would never have gotten past the Senate. GOP Senators, holding a 50-48-2 edge, would filibuster it and then they would never vote for it. The bill would never have made it to President Biden's desk to become law.
Now since the 2022 elections, with the GOP's slim majority, making changes to the Economic Growth, Regulatory, Relief and Consumer Protection Act. It would never get out of any House Committees, and if it managed to get out, the bill would die on the House floor.
As for the bill that eased banking regulations which President Trump signed in 2018, it was a GOP controlled House, first with John Boehner then with Paul Ryan, that proposed it. The bill went onto pass the GOP controlled Senate. President Donald Trump then signed it into law on May 24, 2018.
In summary, with Trump, things (like passing legislation) early in his administration went smoothly. With Biden and even Obama? Not so much.
First get your facts right. Then you can argue with Lux all you want.
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Little Red Wagon Repairman
MFOMBSoPGA
Well I see chivalry ain't dead yet. Me and tvstrip are a tag team? I think that's a great idea. I always thought of tvstrip more as The Wise Man with me being The Tribal Chief. If we gotta be a tag team we can be Bradshaw and Ron Simmons representing The Ministry Of Darkness taking on Lux's Meme Dynasty.
But the issue is that there was never any attempt. If in fact a bill was killed in the senate, then your argument holds water. The senate is a razor's edge - just 2 senators is enough to get a dem bill through it. It's speculative to say that any dem bill would be killed in the senate.
But hey, to lighten the mood, and to pay homage to Lux's memelord status, let me put it this way:
Little Red Wagon Repairman
MFOMBSoPGA
As soon as tvstrip stops pushing all those pencils we will show who The Predators really are. Anyone who accepts our challenge will be crushed like a Chinese beer can then sent back under the rock they originally crawled from under. All naysayers in the peanut gallery will be cordially invited to dine on my excrement.
Little Red Wagon Repairman
MFOMBSoPGA
You should patent the term...
"As soon as I get my amazing technicolor dreamtrunk of memes out of
the shop I will own each and every one of you on this board of pornography.
Your arms are too short to box with Lux!"
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You should patent the term...
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/memelord
No can do. It's in the public domain now
Little Red Wagon Repairman
MFOMBSoPGA
You're a good sport, Lux. Come up with your meme persona gimmick. I used to have you as the 4th member of The New Day. Three of them have the Power Of Positivity then Debbie Downer hitches her little red wagon to the trio attempting to put the kabosh on all hope making you the harbinger of doom putting the spectre of a black cloud over everyone's head.
Little Red Wagon Repairman
MFOMBSoPGA
Darn it all to heck.
Let's clear the air here.
First, the topic is about a comparison between turmp and joe, and joe's inaction against trump's policies. It equally belongs in joe or trump's threads.
Second, it should be pointed out that none of the regular posters here are trump supporters. Look at the posts, and it's pretty clear that we all consider him to be a douche and want to see him behind bars, or at least shut the hell up. Trust me, we're all in agreeance on that.
Third, the biggest issue (at least for me) is this rhetoric that joe is doing so much better, when he's just putting the blame on trump. Or even worse, when he's either indifferent to trump's legacy policies, or actually doubling down on them (immigration). He literally ran on the campaign that he wasn't trump, so he does have an obligation to undo the mess that he created, since that's ostensibly why the people voted him into the oval office. And looking at the past 2 years as a whole, I'm not seeing proof that he's doing a good job. And SVB/Norfolk are the consequences of that. Again, to be clear, trump is responsible for those, but joe shares the blame.
First, the topic is about a comparison between turmp and joe, and joe's inaction against trump's policies. It equally belongs in joe or trump's threads.
Second, it should be pointed out that none of the regular posters here are trump supporters. Look at the posts, and it's pretty clear that we all consider him to be a douche and want to see him behind bars, or at least shut the hell up. Trust me, we're all in agreeance on that.
Third, the biggest issue (at least for me) is this rhetoric that joe is doing so much better, when he's just putting the blame on trump. Or even worse, when he's either indifferent to trump's legacy policies, or actually doubling down on them (immigration). He literally ran on the campaign that he wasn't trump, so he does have an obligation to undo the mess that he created, since that's ostensibly why the people voted him into the oval office. And looking at the past 2 years as a whole, I'm not seeing proof that he's doing a good job. And SVB/Norfolk are the consequences of that. Again, to be clear, trump is responsible for those, but joe shares the blame.
Supafly
Retired Mod
@tvstrip has a very valid point. We pretty much all fall into the trap of seeing things black and white, and the other side has to be the evil one.
Whereas not only in the USA the true problem are the financiers of the catastrophic policies that got put in place. And Donald Trump has pushed those policies to a new extreme, but, tvstrip is right, the Democrats don't do all they can to make things right again, follow the trace of the money that makes them do this.
Whereas not only in the USA the true problem are the financiers of the catastrophic policies that got put in place. And Donald Trump has pushed those policies to a new extreme, but, tvstrip is right, the Democrats don't do all they can to make things right again, follow the trace of the money that makes them do this.
John_8581
FreeOnes Lifetime Member
They have. So far. Alvin Bragg has already gotten seventeen felony convictions for tax fraud against the Trump Organization. Five months for CFO Allen Weisselberg on Rikers Island. It's just the tip of the iceberg. He is also investigating to a lesser extent, the overvaluation of the properties that both Donald Trump and the Trump Organization used on loan applications and on insurance policies to get favorable treatment. Was Donald Trump stupid enough to overvalue his properties on his election finance forms when running for President in 2016? In 2020? Different places, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Politico, The Hill and the Huffington Post give different varying accounts. Alvin Bragg will probably tie those back to Donald Trump in a criminal case. The thing is that New York Attorney General Letitia is also pursuing the same issues in a lawsuit to be heard in October 2023, charging Donald Trump and his adult children, Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric with fraud and malfeasance. However, it is a civil matter. The AG is suing for $250 million. However, she can only pursue civil charges. If the AG wins, it will effectively end the Trump Organization from doing business in New York forever. Alvin Bragg will use that conviction to go after Donald Trump criminally. That means jail time.
Now the Stormy Daniels hush money case is interesting. Michael Cohen, Trump's personal attorney, paid her off in October 2016. A few weeks before the Presidential election. He got disbarred for it and also for lying to Congress. Cohen served time in FCI Otisville, New York. If Bragg brings an indictment and wins this case. It's up to four years in prison.
You also have the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit. It's in Federal Court. Happens in April 2023. A few weeks away. Donald Trump can potentially be convicted on rape and sexual assault.
Then you have the January 6th insurrection and National Security documents he took with him to Mar-a-Lago cases happening in Washington, D.C. under Special Counsel Jack Smith.
Time is ticking down on Donald Trump.
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John_8581
FreeOnes Lifetime Member
Policies? Differences between Democrats and Republicans? That won't change until MAGA is long gone. Get rid of their fascist Cult Leader by putting him in jail.
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Luxman
#TRE45ON
I'm not buying it, republicans are saying Trump should be in jail, but they still secretly support ahole Trump because they know he will be acquitted by the corrupt republican politicians. If republican corruption somehow allows evil ahole Trump to be nominated in 2024, the republicans who were saying Trump should go to jail will still vote for him, a mafia connected criminal who will make himself dictator of America.
Republicans are actively working to rig the 2024 elections to a greater degree than ever before, that's how they won Congress in 2022.
Republicans can only win by lying and cheating. History repeats, "nationalists" are once again coming out of the woodwork.
If there is a civil war hopefully America wins again, like in 1776, 1865, 1918, 1945, 2020...
Biden won because he's not Trump.
Most people realized by Nov. 2020 that Trump is a corrupt pos ahole who wants to be dictator of America, that's why they voted for Biden.
Democrats create regulations to protect the public, republicans repeal regulations to increase corporate shareholder profits.
GOP weighs protecting Trump with law shielding ex-presidents from prosecution - Mar 25, 2023
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ump-criminal-charges-waco-rally-b2308057.html
You just got meme'd !!!
Republicans are actively working to rig the 2024 elections to a greater degree than ever before, that's how they won Congress in 2022.
Republicans can only win by lying and cheating. History repeats, "nationalists" are once again coming out of the woodwork.
If there is a civil war hopefully America wins again, like in 1776, 1865, 1918, 1945, 2020...
Biden won because he's not Trump.
Most people realized by Nov. 2020 that Trump is a corrupt pos ahole who wants to be dictator of America, that's why they voted for Biden.
Democrats create regulations to protect the public, republicans repeal regulations to increase corporate shareholder profits.
GOP weighs protecting Trump with law shielding ex-presidents from prosecution - Mar 25, 2023
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ump-criminal-charges-waco-rally-b2308057.html
You just got meme'd !!!
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