Convicted criminal President Donald Trump's Legacy

[Connor Macleod]

At what percentage of fitness does someone become unfit? Biden may or may not be 100%, but when does he become unfit?

Trump placing airports in the 18th century is quite a fact to miss.

I'm not arguing that Biden is "unfit", but he is obviously showing the early signs of some type of dementia. I'm just putting it out there that, at some point we'll need to say, "He needs to step down.".

I will argue about Biden's track record. The economy is in shambles, the opening of the border was monumentally STUPID, Biden not committing to leaving Ukraine out of NATO caused Russia to invade...

Trump claiming he spoke to the, "President of Puerto Rico" was a pretty disturbing fact for him to get wrong. I'm just saying @Connor Macleod, you might not want to accuse Biden of things that are demonstrably true in others.

I'm not accusing Biden, I'm saying it is a fact - Biden is a liar, just as Trump is a liar. The democrats do it, and the republicans do it. I'm just tired of Democrats (and Republicans) acting like saints and saying, "We don't lie.".

 

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That's really NOT what you were saying, but ok.

 

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I'm not arguing that Biden is "unfit", but he is obviously showing the early signs of some type of dementia. I'm just putting it out there that, at some point we'll need to say, "He needs to step down.".

^This is a load of 🐂 right wing propaganda.

 

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The economy is in shambles

tHe eCoNoMy iS iN ShAmBLeS, but only if you watch Fox News.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/april-job-report-428000-jobs/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/06/business/economy/jobs-report-april-2022.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/business/economy/recession-economy.html

 

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Biden not committing to leaving Ukraine out of NATO caused Russia to invade...

Why should Russia get to dictate who Ukraine enters into alliances with? Very Pro-Putin Root For Russia Tucker Carlson-esque.

 

[gmase]

I'm not arguing that Biden is "unfit", but he is obviously showing the early signs of some type of dementia. I'm just putting it out there that, at some point we'll need to say, "He needs to step down.".

Let's give Joe the cognitive test Trump 'aced'. What I've seen from Joe surpasses most of what I observed from Trump. [Yes, that bar is low.] I saw an interview with David Gergen the other day and he said it is time to pass leadership onto a new generation.

I will argue about Biden's track record. The economy is in shambles, the opening of the border was monumentally STUPID, Biden not committing to leaving Ukraine out of NATO caused Russia to invade...

You can't prove negatives. We don't know what the economy would look like with Trump (it could be better or it could be worse). Calling the economy "in shambles" is quite a stretch.

Trump withheld aid to Ukraine, so it's not like was a supporter. Saying Biden's policies caused the invasion would be similar to saying FDR caused Hitler to invade Russia.

The border? Sure Trump would not have opened it.

I'm not accusing Biden, I'm saying it is a fact - Biden is a liar, just as Trump is a liar. The democrats do it, and the republicans do it. I'm just tired of Democrats (and Republicans) acting like saints and saying, "We don't lie.".

Saying 'We don't lie' is ... a lie. You are correct. We just have to know how to separate truth and untruth - and live with the untruth. Much like the SCOTUS nominees who called Roe v Wade. I won't bore anyone with their words, but they can be found here:
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096...o-conservative-justices-confirmation-hearings

Everyone knew they were crossing their fingers behind their backs.

 

[Connor Macleod]

^This is a load of 🐂 right wing propaganda.

tHe eCoNoMy iS iN ShAmBLeS, but only if you watch Fox News.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/april-job-report-428000-jobs/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/06/business/economy/jobs-report-april-2022.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/05/business/economy/recession-economy.html

Why should Russia get to dictate who Ukraine enters into alliances with? Very Pro-Putin Root For Russia Tucker Carlson-esque.

You keep living in your bubble, and I'll stay out here in the real world.

As for your quoting left-leaning news publications, I don't much stock in their reporting, just as I don't put much stock in Fox News. You have to learn to read between the lines.

And, the economy is not as rosy as you & Biden think. It will always be problematic until we get a president/congress/senate to show some balls and hold the oil companies accountable for collusion and price gouging. It makes no sense that companies selling a singular product make well over 20 billion in profit.

 

[gmase]

And, the economy is not as rosy as you & Biden think. It will always be problematic until we get a president/congress/senate to show some balls and hold the oil companies accountable for collusion and price gouging. It makes no sense that companies selling a singular product make well over 20 billion in profit.

There is a wide gulf between ‘in shambles’ and ‘not as rosy’.

Thank you for referencing the oil companies here as they are the ones responsible for oil prices, not the government. I am always perplexed why we blame or credit the President for the price at the pump.

I remember when gas first hit $1 per gallon. We survived somehow.

 

[Connor Macleod]

There is a wide gulf between ‘in shambles’ and ‘not as rosy’.

Thank you for referencing the oil companies here as they are the ones responsible for oil prices, not the government. I am always perplexed why we blame or credit the President for the price at the pump.

I remember when gas first hit $1 per gallon. We survived somehow.

Yes, I got sick & tired of Hannity saying that Trump was able to get gas prices to record lows under his watch. I'm calling bullshit on that one.

Gas prices dropped for one simple reason - the pandemic. The government asked everyone not to travel and by some miracle, Americans actually listened! Oil companies panicked and dropped prices to try and entice people to ignore travel mandates, but it didn't work, so they kept dropping them. I'm calling further bullshit on the oil companies claiming they lost billions due to the pandemic. Most likely, they only made 10 billion in profit instead of their normal 20+ billion.

 

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You keep living in your bubble, and I'll stay out here in the real world.

As for your quoting left-leaning news publications, I don't much stock in their reporting, just as I don't put much stock in Fox News. You have to learn to read between the lines.

And, the economy is not as rosy as you & Biden think. It will always be problematic until we get a president/congress/senate to show some balls and hold the oil companies accountable for collusion and price gouging. It makes no sense that companies selling a singular product make well over 20 billion in profit.

Everything you've asserted has been shot down, yet you persist. It's ok, I really do appreciate your effort to maintain a non-partisan view but what you fail to understand is that if you're not standing up to right wing fascism, and really you're not by trying to make false equivalencies between the two parties, then you're a part of right wing fascism.

To recap, you posted a lot of gobbledygook in post #477 that I didn't read until yesterday, and when I challenged you on this, "their claims of Biden being mentally unfit seem more and more like fact," you tried to pivot and say that you meant Biden lies. At least that was your response to me, while you maintained to gmase that Biden is mentally unfit, both claims are spurious, at best, and really indicate a right wing persuasion, but that's your right, as erroneous as it may be.

 

[Connor Macleod]

Everything you've asserted has been shot down, yet you persist. It's ok, I really do appreciate your effort to maintain a non-partisan view but what you fail to understand is that if you're not standing up to right wing fascism, and really you're not by trying to make false equivalencies between the two parties, then you're a part of right wing fascism.

To recap, you posted a lot of gobbledygook in post #477 that I didn't read until yesterday, and when I challenged you on this, "their claims of Biden being mentally unfit seem more and more like fact," you tried to pivot and say that you meant Biden lies. At least that was your response to me, while you maintained to gmase that Biden is mentally unfit, both claims are spurious, at best, and really indicate a right wing persuasion, but that's your right, as erroneous as it may be.

Nothing I've said has been shot down. You're just twisting things to satisfy your narrow-minded view of American politics. Republicans are not fascists and democrats are not socialists. Those who try to use those labels just come across as radical nut-bags.

 

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Nothing I've said has been shot down. You're just twisting things to satisfy your narrow-minded view of American politics. Republicans are not fascists and democrats are not socialists. Those who try to use those labels just come across as radical nut-bags.

-You failed to give one example of Joe Biden being, "mentally unfit".
-It's been demonstrated the economy is not, "in shambles".
-Russia does not have the right to dictate to Ukraine who they can or can not associate or form alliances with.
-January 6th 2021 proves that Republcians are, indeed, fascists.

Every fucking thing you've asserted has been demonstrated false, but sure, call me a radical nut-bag. Hilarious or Pathetic? Tough call.

 

[Connor Macleod]

-You failed to give one example of Joe Biden being, "mentally unfit".
-It's been demonstrated the economy is not, "in shambles".
-Russia does not have the right to dictate to Ukraine who they can or can not associate or form alliances with.
-January 6th 2021 proves that Republcians are, indeed, fascists.

Every fucking thing you've asserted has been demonstrated false, but sure, call me a radical nut-bag. Hilarious or Pathetic? Tough call.

Your long reputation on this forum speaks for itself.

Biden ---- pick a press conference and watch him stumble all over himself (some far more than others).
Economy -- Gas prices are at a record high. Inflation is at a record high. Key items at groceries are either scarce, or just gone.
Russia --- They're a nuclear power with a power-mad leader. Don't argue politics, if you can't understand how politics work.
01-06-21 - Everyone in the world blames that on Trump, and you assert that it was ALL Republicans. Thank you for proving your own insanity.

 

[gmase]

Economy -- Gas prices are at a record high. Inflation is at a record high. Key items at groceries are either scarce, or just gone.

Inflation is not at record highs in the US. You have to go back a few years certainly. Go back to the end of the last pandemic and see what happened.

Or 1982:
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/why-7-inflation-today-is-far-different-than-in-1982-11642012166

Gas is at absolute highs, but as noted above it is not a Presidential issue. Is it at nominal highs? I would think with improved fuel efficiency that the cost to operate a car is less than 40 years ago.

I haven’t noticed any shortages, but that is probably a localized issue.

 

[gmase]

Every fucking thing you've asserted has been demonstrated false, but sure, call me a radical nut-bag. Hilarious or Pathetic? Tough call.

If you can move the goalposts, then you make the kick every time.

 

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Your long reputation on this forum speaks for itself.

Biden ---- pick a press conference and watch him stumble all over himself (some far more than others).
Economy -- Gas prices are at a record high. Inflation is at a record high. Key items at groceries are either scarce, or just gone.
Russia --- They're a nuclear power with a power-mad leader. Don't argue politics, if you can't understand how politics work.
01-06-21 - Everyone in the world blames that on Trump, and you assert that it was ALL Republicans. Thank you for proving your own insanity.

It's not my fault facts and reality have a liberal bias. You're just showing your anti-Biden bias when you complain about his performance at press conferences, you're probably one of those people that criticized Obama for being too well spoken. Thanks for outing yourself as a closet MAGAt, go look at the polling on how many rEpUbLiCaNs think tHe eLeCTiOn wUz sToLeN, yeah, it's not all Republicans, my ass. Whatever. I'm done, I found out what I wanted to know and exposed it for everyone to see.

 

[Connor Macleod]

It's not my fault facts and reality have a liberal bias. You're just showing your anti-Biden bias when you complain about his performance at press conferences, you're probably one of those people that criticized Obama for being too well spoken. Thanks for outing yourself as a closet MAGAt, go look at the polling on how many rEpUbLiCaNs think tHe eLeCTiOn wUz sToLeN, yeah, it's not all Republicans, my ass. Whatever. I'm done, I found out what I wanted to know and exposed it for everyone to see.

What everyone sees is your lips attached to Biden's ass just as Hannitys is attached to Trump's.

FYI, I have no bias. Biden won, and he's had his chance to show his leadership, but things have gone downhill since he took office.

Do I want Trump in the White House? Of course not. What I want is someone who can lead us out of this shit that you clearly refuse to acknowledge. Who that may be is up for debate, but Biden is not the answer.

 

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Ah, yeah, remind me more about how mentally unfit Joe Biden is, tho.

 

[gmase]

Ah, yeah, remind me more about how mentally unfit Joe Biden is, tho
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