CIA Waterboarded Mohammed 183X in 1 Month, Zubaydah 83X in 1 month

[meesterperfect]

yeaaah...abandon our principles every time things get hard, that'll show em!

ehhhhhhh, ughhhhhh,
"Well I'm all broken up about that mans rights."

Theres 2 sides of this issue thats for sure, but anyone who would put this mass murderer terrorists rights above the very possible reality of thousands or even millions dying horrible deaths to me is just a heartless, gutless , pathetic person.

And that will show who?
You said alot in that little statement.
Are you concerned with what radical muslims will think about us?
Are you afraid?
When the majority of people begin to think like that maybe its time to just die and give them what they want.

 

[Hot Mega]

I for some reason based on this post and a lot of your other posts (particularly those involving military history) doubt that you have ever been in any branch of the U.S. Military.

The level C certification is a DOD requirement (not an actual Military one) for anyone that has high capture risk job, including civilians working on some DOD contracts. It is a very minimal requirement, most people who just need the C certification are pilots in 'non combat' roles.

Again, wow...This is the problem with trying to google something to gain knowledge of something you know very little or nothing about. knowledge of.

I'm not one to challenge your integrity by questioning your background....But you have no idea what you're talking about...

Try googling again (or whatever you tried) and You Might figure it out....

Sheesh..

 

[Facetious]

^^^

Whatever "equivanents" are... Is that a fruit?

So I got a band - aid on my finger :wtf: What are ya a spellin' nazi ?
From this point on do we all interrupt various & sundry threads to make corrections ?

OK, if that's what you'd like to resort to.

And mega I don't resort to name calling
unanswered, nor do I engage in the challenge of sitting on my ass for 18 straight hours in endless online political debate, for that is illness. :1orglaugh

I do have opinions on policy from time to time.

 

[Facial_King]

I for some reason based on this post and a lot of your other posts (particularly those involving military history) doubt that you have ever been in any branch of the U.S. Military.

The level C certification is a DOD requirement (not an actual Military one) for anyone that has high capture risk job, including civilians working on some DOD contracts. It is a very minimal requirement, most people who just need the C certification are pilots in 'non combat' roles.

Anyone requireing more intinsive training is either sent to North Carolina or Colorado.

As for the evidence of the technique actually working, well last time I checked Los Angeles was not missing any of it's tall buildings and the Parliament clock is still standing in London. I would say without revealing anyother sensative data that so far it has a pretty good track record of providing actionable intelligence without actually causing harm to a subject.
Well if it actually caused harm then it would be torture...

I'll be looking for "boobfan" to make this strong argument on this week's edition of "Meet the Press" or perhaps "60 Minutes".

"We've recently been contacted by 'boobfan' from 'The Lone Star State' and 'boobfan' has some very persuasive viewpoints on the effectiveness of enhanced interrogation methods. Some arguments that clearly come from an inside perspective. 'Boobfan' please share with the viewers why waterboarding is a key tool in the fight against terror..."

So I got a band - aid on my finger :wtf: What are ya a spellin' nazi ?
From this point on do we all interrupt various & sundry threads to make corrections ?

OK, if that's what you'd like to resort to.

And mega I don't resort to name calling
unanswered, nor do I engage in the challenge of sitting on my ass for 18 straight hours in endless online political debate, for that is illness. :1orglaugh

I do have opinions on policy from time to time.

Oh, cool off now, Facetious. I just found that one particular spelling error to be funny. No big whoop.

:glugglug:

 

[Hot Mega]

I'll be looking for "boobfan" to make this strong argument on this week's edition of "Meet the Press" or perhaps "60 Minutes".

"We've recently been contacted by 'boobfan' from 'The Lone Star State' and 'boobfan' has some very persuasive viewpoints on the effectiveness of enhanced interrogation methods. Some arguments that clearly come from an inside perspective. 'Boobfan' please share with the viewers why waterboarding is a key tool in the fight against terror..."

Better yet, if it's so effective in keeping these imminent threats from happening...Why did Bush and Cheney sign off on Hayden banning it???

 

[Evil Hobo]

Oh, it looks like you fellows missed the relevant links I posted
http://board.freeones.com/showpost.php?p=3250130&postcount=29

over in the "Mancow waterboarded" thread (which Philbert seems to have retreated from), involving the views of interrogation and SERE training experts:
http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2007/10/waterboarding-is-torture-perio/

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07294/826876-35.stm

Read 'em and weep, fellas! Tell you what, though - if you two are so gung-ho on these "enhanced interrogation tactics" maybe you could waterboard each other to find out what makes people like yourselves tick?? Now that would be some useful information, and since waterboarding is acceptable and useful in your eyes, maybe you could get it for me!

:hatsoff::glugglug::thumbsup:

Haha awsomely excuted pwnage there bro there if you excuse the pun.

I completely agree with you mate, and love the way you put it to those 'Rambos' (my ass) over there lmao! :rofl:
:hatsoff:

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

The CIA banned water boarding in '07 and it was signed off on by Bush. Which begs the obvious questions; If it's legal, effective and has allegedly saved "thousands of lives"...why in the world would Bush/Cheney allow Hayden to ban it???

The real answer is that it's not worth the trouble to keep it on the list of techniques we MAY be authorized to use. I'm sure the answer that they'll actually give to the press is a different one.

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

I'd just like to say how disgusting it is nowadays for any country - especially a developed country and the only super-power left in the world which is a self-styled chapion of freedom, democracy and human rights - to use such tactic no matter how bad their situation.

Looking back at history though, this seems like a classic case of the kind of stupidity caused by times of extreme pressure, and crumbling power and influence. Though kids in some 100 years time when the Chinese are the super-power will be taught that these cruel tactics caused the downfall of the evil US empire.

The US is already losing badly in Iraq, with the Maliki government poised as there future puppets like the Jordanians and Saudis having back-stabbed the US and ran to the Iranian Ayatollahs, who have so much more influence and exploitation in Iraq. Now the priority is cut the loses in Iraq short and at least win in Afghanistan to not completly flat-out fail the war on terror. But that too doesn't look too promising either with Pakistan over the border.

I guess every dog has his day. As my grandfather used to say - even Pharoah's mighty empire and army had their downfall after Moses.

Oh, and it's great to be back guys :wave2: - for anyone who remmebers me. I've been bussy making the transition into uni and getting hammered senseless every night and studying like I never studied before during the day.

I live in an area that's a prime target for a terrorist attacks. I could care less if your sensibilties are offended if it does anything at all to complicate the lives of people who want to turn me into a charred corpse.

 

[HeartBroker]

So much time could have been saved...

Lost forever now !

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

Who says they are terrorists? If anyone's got any proof, why not convict them infront of any national or international tribunal?

Not that US courts hold any wieght of justice in my opinion - proven and undesputed five/six counts of murder in cold blood and raping a 12 year old, and no death sentence?
Yet tortured to hell and back men, with no proof from anybody and your calling for their blood?

Wow, just wow

What do you think of this post, Hotmega and Facial King?

 

[HeartBroker]

Who says they are terrorists?

I do, problem?

 

[BioDefenseGrad]

I do, problem?

That was a quote from an earlier poster. Evil Hobo.

 

[boobfan]

Again, wow...This is the problem with trying to google something to gain knowledge of something you know very little or nothing about. knowledge of.

I'm not one to challenge your integrity by questioning your background....But you have no idea what you're talking about...

Try googling again (or whatever you tried) and You Might figure it out....

Sheesh..

Well at your suggestion I did Google 'SERE school' it just to see what the results were...

Wow..Well I too served and I'm SERE Level C qualified out of NAS Brunswick.

My First first result looks almost just like that as the first result was about the Naval Air Station at Brunswick Maine.

If you actualy got a C qualification after 1995 you would have gone to Fairchild AFB or Fort Bragg North Carolina as the Navy/Marine program at Brunswick is actualy only a level A and B course. Prior to 1995 you would have gone to Fort Bragg, North Carolina or to the Air Force Acadamy just north of Colorado Springs, Colorado.

The C qualification is a DOD mandate not a branch mandate like the A or B qualification...
For all personel civilian or military at a high risk of capture and whose position, rank, or seniority make them vulnerable to greater than average exploitation efforts by a captor.

So where and when did you get your C qualification again?

 

[boobfan]

I wonder how much information about this case of terrorist Funding was provided by "enhanced interrogation tactics".
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/July/04_crm_514.htm

 

[Hot Mega]

The C qualification is a DOD mandate not a branch mandate like the A or B qualification...
For all personel civilian or military at a high risk of capture and whose position, rank, or seniority make them vulnerable to greater than average exploitation efforts by a captor.

Unbelievable!

First of all, "boob.." based on your original post on this contention in this thread I was immediately lead to believe you have zero SO experience. Even if you were trained at some level it's not likely you have had any deployment or operational experience.

That aside, what department of the the federal government do the JCS, Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines belong to?? That would be the DoD.

So in the context of this phrase; "is a DOD mandate'

Doesn't that apply to branches also since they are a part of the DoD relating to personnel that meet the secondary requirement???

Further, your quote (the secondary requirement); "For all personel civilian or military"

Now without going into great detail, what did you interpret the "military" part of that quote to mean????

Now how would I be at "high risk of capture" if I didn't operate at the "tip of the spear"???

This is why I said you can't google something like this to try and glean some understanding if you don't know. You will just confuse yourself.

 

[Hot Mega]

The real answer is that it's not worth the trouble to keep it on the list of techniques we MAY be authorized to use.

"not worth the trouble"??? What "trouble"?

Does that mean Bush/Cheney were putting politics ahead of protecting Americans if this technique was effective, produced results and saved lives???

 

[boobfan]

Unbelievable!

First of all, "boob.." based on your original post on this contention in this thread I was immediately lead to believe you have zero SO experience. Even if you were trained at some level it's not likely you have had any deployment or operational experience.

That aside, what department of the the federal government do the JCS, Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines belong to?? That would be the DoD.

So in the context of this phrase; "is a DOD mandate'

Doesn't that also apply to branches also since they are a part of the DoD relating to personnel that meet the secondary requirement???

Further, your quote (the secondary requirement); "For all personel civilian or military"

Now without going into great detail, what did you interpret the "military" part of that quote to mean????

Now how would I be at "high risk of capture" if I didn't operate at the "tip of the spear"???

This is why I said you can't google something like this to try an glean some understanding if you don't know. You will just confuse yourself.

Mega,

You did notice that I posted where you would have had to have gone to get your C qualification.
You didn't answer that but as you didn't know that before I posted it and instead you posted that you got a C qualification at a facility that only does A and B qualifications. I imagine you have never been to Fort Bragg, Fairchild AFB, or The US Air Force Academy.

As we all now know you have never even been in the military (at least the U.S. Military)
I know that you didn't have position, rank, or seniority to make you vulnerable to greater than average exploitation efforts by a captor in the military.
Tip of the spear? LOL! A Marine? No-way not you.

The A and B qualifications are branch specific depeding on military job classification (which are branch specific for the Army it is called a MOS), the C qualification is not, it is a DOD mandate that has nothing to do with branch of service as it also includes civilians.
The civilians that the mandate is referring to are usually pilots who have been contracted by the DOD to provide various in theater transport duties.

 

[Hot Mega]

Mega,

You did notice that I posted where you would have had to have gone to get your C qualification.
You didn't answer that but as you didn't know that before I posted it and instead you posted that you got a C qualification at a facility that only does A and B qualifications. I imagine you have never been to Fort Bragg, Fairchild AFB, or The US Air Force Academy.

As we all now know you have never even been in the military (at least the U.S. Military)
I know that you didn't have position, rank, or seniority to make you vulnerable to greater than average exploitation efforts by a captor in the military.
Tip of the spear? LOL! A Marine? No-way not you.

The A and B qualifications are branch specific depeding on military job classification (which are branch specific for the Army it is called a MOS), the C qualification is not, it is a DOD mandate that has nothing to do with branch of service as it also includes civilians.
The civilians that the mandate is referring to are usually pilots who have been contracted by the DOD to provide various in theater transport duties.

You are an absolute fucking fraud. Stop dishonoring yourself and your family claiming to be something you're not.

"Tip of the spear" refers to USSOCOM..ya dope!!

 

[boobfan]

You are an absolute fucking fraud. Stop dishonoring yourself and your family claiming to be something you're not.

"Tip of the spear" refers to USSOCOM..ya dope!!

Yes, we have noticed you know nothing and are a fraud as you can't answer a single question I have brought up correctly. Acctually you can't even answer them at all.

"Tip of the Spear" more commonly refers to a particular Marine Unit at least when people are talking about being a part of it, I gave you a bone since you did claim to go to a NAS for your SERE training.

If you just worked at MacDill you may have heard USSOCOM referred to as "The Tip of the Spear" but gobbs of civilians work there.

So do you at least know who "Snake Eaters" are?

 

[Hot Mega]

Yes, we have noticed you know nothing and are a fraud as you can't answer a single question I have brought up correctly. Acctually you can't even answer them at all.

"Tip of the Spear" more commonly refers to a particular Marine Unit at least when people are talking about being a part of it, I gave you a bone since you did claim to go to a NAS for your SERE training.

If you just worked at MacDill you may have heard USSOCOM referred to as "The Tip of the Spear" but gobbs of civilians work there.

So do you at least know who "Snake Eaters" are?

There is nothing to answer you fraud. Why should I have to tell someone who (really knows) about SERE training when you demonstrated you have no clue beyond what you've tried to read about it on the internet. If you don't understand who is SERE trained at NAS Brunswick (specifically Rangeley)... then keep searching an reading until you figure it out.

And I didn't "just" work at McDill. That was some years ago. However when I did work there it was as a civilian contractor for USSOCOM. And I've worked in various capacities for the US government as a contractor as well as the private sector since I ended my military career.

It makes total sense you are clueless since you are perpetrating a fraud.