China - The Rise of Totalitarian Capitalism

Not sure where you're going with this one. You hate the police ('pig' is your term) and you're hounding us for it why? If you really were so thoughtful, you would find the posters who are truly 'all-in' on the police. Get a grip on your arguments.

Get a grip on yourself and read my posts again in the police brutality thread, I didn't say I hated police (honest cops) I said I hated pigs(bad cops).
 

Theopolis Q. Hossenffer

I am in America, not of it.

Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou freed by Canada arrives home in China​

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58690974

China doesn't even try to hide how dirty they are. If you legally detain one of their citizens you like, they will put your citizens on death row until you release them.

Before her release, Ms Meng admitted misleading US investigators about Huawei's business dealings in Iran.
She spent three years under house arrest in Canada while fighting extradition to the United States.
China had earlier insisted that her case was not related to the sudden arrest of Mr Kovrig and Mr Spavor in 2018. But China's the decision to free them after Ms Meng's release appears to show that pretence has been abandoned
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
Unlike Taiwan and the US, the price of lying flat is too high for young people in China
 
Unlike Taiwan and the US, the price of lying flat is too high for young people in China
How do you say "Those lazy millennials" in Mandarin?
I wonder how many of these "flaters" are close to retirement? You might get away with a daily wage lifestyle, but only when you don't have to worry about healthcare or retirement. I don't recall china having amazing socialized Medicare or pension plans.

In all seriousness, it may be interesting to see if this leads to an increase in the living wage. The wage gap is crazy, and it's the only reason why things are so cheap to produce in china. Maybe that will change?
 
How do you say "Those lazy millennials" in Mandarin?
I wonder how many of these "flaters" are close to retirement? You might get away with a daily wage lifestyle, but only when you don't have to worry about healthcare or retirement. I don't recall china having amazing socialized Medicare or pension plans.

In all seriousness, it may be interesting to see if this leads to an increase in the living wage. The wage gap is crazy, and it's the only reason why things are so cheap to produce in china. Maybe that will change?

It's just like the video said that many in China don't know anyone actually doing this less and 1/100. More like it's just wishful thinking when one guy could do it had an article written then others dream of doing same.

The factories that can't find workers are paying too little - simple as that, clearly if people rather do delivery rather than factory work you know which is the better job.

As for internet kids, it the same everywhere, people/kids will do what they think benefits then most - if those internet kids could get rich not playing games they would, if they could get rich doing crimes most would.

This story not really a story, except for the government censorship making mountain out of molehill - if anything it's just another story proving than capitalism is used in every single corner of the earth whether people realize it or not whether they call it capitalism or not.

Ayn Rand quote is that when capitalism doesn't exist only slavery exist.
 

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
… and slavery exists where capitalism exists.
 

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
I think it is fairly obvious, but - if not - we can leave it there.
 
I think it is fairly obvious, but - if not - we can leave it there.

I'm saying you're obviously wrong, that's why I asking you explain - but if you just want to keep making claims without anything to prove or explain then keep at it.
 

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
I'm saying you're obviously wrong, that's why I asking you explain - but if you just want to keep making claims without anything to prove or explain then keep at it.
History proves humans as capital exists. Think antebellum US as one example. Slavery exists in capitalism. There. Obvious. Thanks.
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
Here's an example.

Default: the Student Loan Documentary (Broadcast Version)

Debt = Slavery
 
History proves humans as capital exists. Think antebellum US as one example. Slavery exists in capitalism. There. Obvious. Thanks.

Just because humans used as capital does not mean capitalism should be associated with slavery - that's like blaming money/greed for slavery, should we fear money/greed? Of course not money/greed is normal, nobody want to work for free.

How about the cattle industry, because humans enslave cows/chickens/etc should animal lovers now blame capitalism for that? Obviously not.

Capitalism is the FREE exchange between buyer/seller and the FREE exchange of work for pay - in cases where one is a slave or one has no choice but to buy/sell, that is not the intended function of capitalism, instead it is exploitation.

So, as to your examples of slavery existing because of capitalism - you are wrong because slavery exists independent of capitalism, not because of capitalism, history shows that slaves trades exits whether slaves are bought/sold/traded or not or just forced to join armies to fight or forced to build pyramids.

Capitalism, the intended easy without force, eliminates slavery by allowing the worker to negotiate their wages or not work, without capitalism as the tool to negotiate pay - all we have left to convince others to work is force/convincing/extortion/begging/charity/etc, but without capitalism there is no exchange of work for pay.

There. Obvious. Thanks.
 
Here's an example.

Default: the Student Loan Documentary (Broadcast Version)

Debt = Slavery

That's an example of feeling enslaved, not an actual example of slavery - using this example is insulting to actual slaves like jews in German concentration camps or black slaves in America etc.

The person in debt made a choice to be in debt, having choice is not slavery.

Once in debt that person may feel enslaved by not being able to pay the debt, but over again the person will not be forced to work it off - they can apply for bankruptcy.

Whereas, people owing taxes to the irs are not allowed to declare bankruptcy, and have to choose jail(force) or repay - that is real slavery choice when you must decide to have force used on you(jail) or work (repay).

This is why Libertarians believe taxes are slavery, and I agree.
 

gmase

On the dark side of the moon
Capitalism is the FREE exchange between buyer/seller and the FREE exchange of work for pay - in cases where one is a slave or one has no choice but to buy/sell, that is not the intended function of capitalism, instead it is exploitation.
Despite your contorted logic, it is capitalism. Slavery exists both inside and outside of capitalism. The master believes it is capitalism. The slave does not. It all depends on your perspective.
That's an example of feeling enslaved, not an actual example of slavery - using this example is insulting to actual slaves like jews in German concentration camps or black slaves in America etc.

The person in debt made a choice to be in debt, having choice is not slavery.

Once in debt that person may feel enslaved by not being able to pay the debt, but over again the person will not be forced to work it off - they can apply for bankruptcy.

Whereas, people owing taxes to the irs are not allowed to declare bankruptcy, and have to choose jail(force) or repay - that is real slavery choice when you must decide to have force used on you(jail) or work (repay).
It is actually very similar. If someone owes taxes, they have earned income and chosen not to pay the taxes. It is a choice.

This is why Libertarians believe taxes are slavery, and I agree.
Taxes are not slavery.
 

Luxman

#TRE45ON
That's an example of feeling enslaved, not an actual example of slavery - using this example is insulting to actual slaves like jews in German concentration camps or black slaves in America etc.

The person in debt made a choice to be in debt, having choice is not slavery.

Once in debt that person may feel enslaved by not being able to pay the debt, but over again the person will not be forced to work it off - they can apply for bankruptcy.

Whereas, people owing taxes to the irs are not allowed to declare bankruptcy, and have to choose jail(force) or repay - that is real slavery choice when you must decide to have force used on you(jail) or work (repay).

This is why Libertarians believe taxes are slavery, and I agree.
You can't declare bankruptcy to get rid of student loans.
Lobbying (bribes) by the predatory student loan industry made the government pass laws that force students to pay back loans, even if they can't.
Young adults are conned into those loans because they don't fully understand what they are getting into.

How would the government function without collecting taxes???
 
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