gmase
On the dark side of the moon
Bully is a good name for you. You may want to sneak off like your alter ego.
Who am I bullying? You sir are an idiot. Mongo had brains and held his own.
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China - The Rise of Totalitarian Capitalism
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Who am I bullying? You sir are an idiot. Mongo had brains and held his own.
gmase
On the dark side of the moon
You tried. He needs the simplified version.
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Luxman
#TRE45ON
You should try to get a job at FOX news, you sound like Tucker Carlson, distorting the truth and spreading disinformation.
There was no capitalism in China before 1980, and no capitalism in Russia before 1992, the communist governments in both countries owned everything.
What is your text book definition of capitalism, because it sounds different from the one I've read.
CAPITALISM ~ noun ~ an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
gmase
On the dark side of the moon
Ok jackass, who is my alter ego?
Ok clown, why don't you try to explain the simpler version without copy and paste from school book or links?
gmase
On the dark side of the moon
You are too funny dude. The bully rant is a classic. Go cry about someone else bullying you.
How am I distorting truth? I everyone already knows the dictionary definition of capitalism you posted above, that defines what the theory is - which is different from what the reality is, which is that the state controls how much foreign trade is allowed into the country and how much international business is connected as well, they do that in all countries no matter if they say their communist or not.
That's my point, a communist/socialist country can still be a modern superpower like many European countries with 50% taxes etc they still can compete in the global market - has nothing to do whether they are communist/socialist.
Trying to tell you I don't care for textbook definitions because they are misleading, and that I agree with the video you posted in your capitalism thread that explains capitalism is a tool already being used everywhere from the beginning of time - not a ideological classification that defines governments or ideologies.
What you say there was no capitalism in China or Russia before those dates that's simply not true because even in the communist times people owned there own private businesses - the communist dictatorships in those countries cherry picked which business they would take over and still let people do business for themselves, also it is impossible to control every capitalism everywhere that is why black markets exits everywhere.
The dictatorships in those countries used the ideological propaganda of communism to take money land and control of what they wanted, those dictatorships only took over the most profitable of business and industries - such as real estate and oil/gas and farming etc, what they didn't take over remained for private enterprise to continue as they did before governmental change.
Here an example, in China you see restaurants/stores/bars/companies/farmers/etc(no point listing everything) and they all private owned before communism, when communist take power they don't send government agents to manage the restaurants/bars/stores/etc that are small business so those small business don't change much except pay more taxes.
The communist do send agents to take over bigger businesses they see as profitable and worth taking over, such as Huawei and Alibaba and SINOPEC etc.
So when communist take over all businesses operate as usual but some have new bosses - that's what I mean by capitalism still exists.
It's not the communism/capitalism ideologies that caused countries to be unable to compete in the global market - it is the lack of modernisation and lack of allowing more foreign investment and more foreign trade.
I posted originally because this thread is wrongfully accusing capitalism of being a reason to worry about totalitarianism and China - when it is totalitarianism only that is worth worrying about, nothing to do with capitalism or China being China.
You mean cry and whine like you did just now in the Canada thread tagging 2 moderators in your post about me? You're a classic internet try hard.
gmase
On the dark side of the moon
Can you not read or understand? I was referring to my errors. Go cry elsewhere snowflake.
Luxman
#TRE45ON
Could people run businesses in USSR?
https://www.quora.com/Could-people-run-businesses-in-USSR
People owned small businesses, the legal registered businesses were taxed and regulated, but most private businesses were unregistered and illegal.
https://www.quora.com/Could-people-run-businesses-in-USSR
People owned small businesses, the legal registered businesses were taxed and regulated, but most private businesses were unregistered and illegal.
Keep trying hard poser, do you really eat your own bullshit?
Yeah, everyone believes you when you say you tagged 2 moderators in your post that quoted me so you can have them police yourself and not me.
Now you say I'm a snowflake. Well, where have we seen you call people that before? Hmmm...I know! In all your previous posts where others expose you for the pompous jackass you are, you start calling them snowflakes and dolphins and then you post little cartoons about snowflakes and dolphins - you did same thing to @mongo18 in the capitalism thread and police brutality thread, how very original of you. Whenever you have no answer to their discussions you just want to call people snowflakes and dolphins and tell them to move on.
What other try hard internet insults you got that you think are cool?
Despite what you read on the internet even from respectable sources or not, capitalism did exist in one form or another in the USSR and China.
Like you mentioned above, businesses not taken over were taxed - let's not split hairs over what the actual percentage of illegal/legal businesses are, I think it's fair to say even if some businesses remained private that capitalism did already exist before communism took over and continued to exist during communism and continued through the end of communism.
In the USSR and China during the beginning of communism, it obviously helped to be able to bribe people to allow their private businesses to not be taken over, and having family and friends in government helped as well keep government from taking over your businesses - but some businesses did remain private, and though the percentages might be low it still happens often enough for people in those countries to want to go into business for themselves.
I know many in those countries and before they wanted to leave but now they make enough money to want to stay - throughout the 50s to now they always taking about opening their own businesses, so the capitalism spirit can never really be snuffed out.
Even in jail, which it the best example of totalitarian control and prohibition on any form of capitalism - capitalism thrives and exists. Since some allow some prisoners to earn income working inside jails, do we now call that institutional capitalism?
Do you see that repeating the word capitalism is redundant? Even though the textbooks teach it?
Governments have differing ideologies to justify the extent of their control over their citizens, but no matter what they say to justify their taxes and control, it really has nothing to do with capitalism - capitalism is a tool that people and governments use and exploit in the same way no matter what their ideologies are.
Theopolis Q. Hossenffer
I am in America, not of it.
What does socialism mean in simple terms?
Socialism is an economic and political system where the community or state owns the general means of production (i. e. farms, factories, tools, and raw materials.) ... Socialists believe that everything in society is made by the cooperative efforts of the state with the help of its people and citizens.
Socialism is an economic and political system where the community or state owns the general means of production (i. e. farms, factories, tools, and raw materials.) ... Socialists believe that everything in society is made by the cooperative efforts of the state with the help of its people and citizens.
gmase
On the dark side of the moon
😉 🤣
You win. You put a lot of effort into it. Here's your participation trophy 🏆 .
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If you remove the authoritarian from that sign and just leave CAPITALISM it would be more accurate - since it the capitalism part that creates hope and opportunity everywhere.
There's never been a time in China history when it wasn't authoritarian - so being authoritarian is nothing new to China, while community is new to China, and actually capitalism isn't new to China either China been most capitalist people since beginning of time.
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There is virtually nothing different about American and Chinese capitalism - it all about wanting to profit, so if modern factories make more profit that is the direction everyone in the world wants to go, if it was bitcoins that would be the direction everyone worldwide would go etc.
The differences between how to do business in China and America are the differences in government controls - differences when the Chinese Communist Party are in power compared to when trump in power or Biden or whatever president.
For example, foreign investment, there are rules for foreign investment as per each country - some like China force foreign companies to have local Chinese own a certain percent of each company, other countries like America have less rules.
But simply put, the capitalism has no differences country to country - only the government controls that effect the economy and business climate have differences country to country.
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