Juliuscaesar
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Okay, I guess I'll just smash some endangered turtle eggs and fry'em for breakfast.What, it's the same thing isn't it?
Are you for abortion or against?
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No, humans sure as hell aren't endangered. We could do with a few less.
It should be done but only in the 1st 14 days or so. Before this the organism is just a collection of cells and has no brain function-it therefore cant feel anything-so if you use abortion before the 14 days it should be allowed as it just the equivelant of killing some skin cells. However after the 14 days, the collection of cells now transform into a human being showing human life etc, at this point i believe it becomes a moral issue.
No. It's not. If an endangered turtle decided to smash it's own eggs then it would be the same.
You are right Imo to a certain extent, this is true but only up until the first 14 days, before 14 days it is not a foetus but more a collection of cells that could develop into anything in the body. After 14 days though the collection of cells develop into a human being showing brain function. It could therefore be said that after 14 days the foetus can feel pain
Don't we have laws about endangered turtles smashing their own eggs? We sure as hell should...
Feel pain? So what? Women who have been raped should not have an abortion because the fetus inside them can feel pain?!? Not that there's any concrete proof of that. . .
Well if you think about it 14 days is a long time, Women who have been raped are obviously going to be in severe emotional pain and it would be very hard to bring up a child of someone who has raped you. I'm not hugely religous but the prodestant church would argue that the foetus should not be allowed to suffer. It is a moral argument and it really depends on the individual women or couple. In the majority of cases i believe it should be allowed up until the 14 days and then it is down to personal opinion and morals
I am against abortion as a form of birth control.
I'm going honestly address this question again. I am all for a woman's right to choose in this matter. It's her body to handle as she sees fit. I agree with the sentiment about using if for birth control...not cool at all to say the least. But, what are you going to do? The right lost me on this issue when they went toward an absolute ban....even in cases of rape and incest. That is such bs. Like the saying goes, where you stand is where you sit. Like if one of their loved ones were gang raped and impregnated...they wouldn't be the 1st in line at the abortion clinic? Yeah.....RIGHT!!!! I also agree that society could use less people anyway. Furthermore, there is more to the "anti-abortion" movement than meets the eye. In the States...which group has by far the majority of abortions? Whites of course. If it were blacks or latinos...do you really think so many of the "anti-abortion" crowd would be getting their panties seemingly in a bunch? I bet any money they wouldn't give two rats asses about it then. Like I said, more than meets the eye. I notice few if any of them are standing in line to adopt any unwanted babies who might enter the scene either. It's easy to take a faux position when it really does not affect you in the slightest.
On a personal level, I don't really know anyone who has had an abortion...though my mother once claimed she did (a then illegal one) before she had my brother and myself, then based upon my reaction to the news (which came out of the blue), she backpeddled. But, though my life isn't that bad, and my mother's didn't turn out that bad (though she was a single parent), I know with virtual certainty that her life would be even better had she been able to have me aborted and wouldn't have had my brother either...to the same father. So, since I am able to be objective and can see the big picture...I honestly believe my mother should have had an abortion with me...and with my brother (though obviously, had she had an abortion with me...she wouldn't have even gotten pregnant with my brother anyway)...because I believe she would have been better off at the time....and it would have carried on to today. So, even the fact that I wasn't aborted...does not carry weight in my decision...because, like I said, objectively speaking, I believe I probably should have been. :2 cents:
Don't read anything into that 2nd paragraph...it is what it is and nothing more. Just being perfectly honest.
On a personal level, I don't really know anyone who has had an abortion...though my mother once claimed she did (a then illegal one) before she had my brother and myself, then based upon my reaction to the news (which came out of the blue), she backpeddled. But, though my life isn't that bad, and my mother's didn't turn out that bad (though she was a single parent), I know with virtual certainty that her life would be even better had she been able to have me aborted and wouldn't have had my brother either...to the same father. So, since I am able to be objective and can see the big picture...I honestly believe my mother should have had an abortion with me...and with my brother (though obviously, had she had an abortion with me...she wouldn't have even gotten pregnant with my brother anyway)...because I believe she would have been better off at the time....and it would have carried on to today. So, even the fact that I wasn't aborted...does not carry weight in my decision...because, like I said, objectively speaking, I believe I probably should have been. :2 cents:
Don't read anything into that 2nd paragraph...it is what it is and nothing more. Just being perfectly honest.
Will E Worm
Conspiracy...
The wording needs to be changed.
I am against cold blooded murder. :hatsoff:
I am against cold blooded murder. :hatsoff:
Alyssa Rose
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You can't even tell your pregnant until the fetus is 4 weeks (28 days) and most women don't find out from a dr until they are 6-8 weeks (42-56 days)
So most abortions are done between 5 weeks & 20 weeks..
:dunno:
I'd like more people to put their money where their mouth is. If this is such a pressing issue, go to medical school and learn how to abort. If you could stomach such a procedure I'd like to see it. Advocates don't want to do it, gaurantee.
SpexyAshleigh
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Actually, you're talking about an embryo. A fertilized egg is called an embryo up and until the 8-9 week mark, at which point it becomes a fetus.
Sorry, I just can't stand people who call them fetuses when they're not lol. They're embryos, a cluster of rapidly growing cells.
Damn.
And here I thought BS Scott was about to drop an enormous profundity like; people who are staunchly opposed to abortions putting their money where their mouths are and actually lining up to adopt these kids instead of lining up outside of clinics.Just think, if many of these women who find themselves in the unfortunate circumstance of considering an abortion actually saw lines of passionate people forming at foster homes and adoption agencies (instead of clinics)...that might have more bearing on their decision to have the child and give it the chance they otherwise might not.:2 cents:
They might just think these people who appear so passionate about other people's decisions and business actually give a damn.:dunno:
I'snt that the same thing though. i know its from embryo research. Is'nt what i said the same, maybe not i'm no expert
Damn.
Just think, if many of these women who find themselves in the unfortunate circumstance of considering an abortion actually saw lines of passionate people forming at foster homes and adoption agencies (instead of clinics)...that might have more bearing on their decision to have the child and give it the chance they otherwise might not.:2 cents:
They might just think these people who appear so passionate about other people's decisions and business actually give a damn.:dunno:
The moral of the post was it's probably pretty gruesome stuff and that most people wouldn't want to be associated with it.
I understand the rape and incest dillemas and stuff but that was my point. :hatsoff:
So in analogous terms, because a man preparing to undergo brain surgery probably wouldn't have the stomach to perform brain surgery himself shouldn't undergo brain surgery? Not sure if you understood that being one of the effects of your point. :eek:
Point being, most people don't have the stomach to be a surgeon of any type, coroner or any of the other professions that would require them to engage in otherwise gory conditions. That doesn't call into question the legitimacy of the professional act.:2 cents:
I dunno, is there a beating heart? They can sleep on that, I don't think I could sleep with that on my conscience. But again that's just me. :wave2:
As far as depriving "undesirables" that were thrown to the gutter of stuff like health care or housing later in life, that's a problem that has/can be addressed and it is in different communities/parts of the country/world.
