Any UFC fans present?

[bustybbwlover]

i didn't watch the toney v couture fight but it sounds like it went about how i expected...couture handling it by avoiding toney's fists (i'm not saying that to belittle couture who the fuck wouldn't avoid 44 knockout fists?)
http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/articles/2010/08/29/couture_takes_care_of_toney/

 

[shootfighter8]

Nothing like watching UFC 118 on the big widescreen. :thumbsup:

The highlight of the night was Nate Diaz vs Marcus Davis. The audience were screaming and cheering at the fight. Nate should consider Joe Rogan's suggestion and move up a weight class.

Toney got totally schooled last night on MMA. The whole crowd immediately called out, "game over," when Couture took him down with a lower ankle takedown and put him on his back. A bit of a ground-and-pound then finished him off with a triangle choke in the 1st round.

Edgar deserved to be LW UFC champion as he totally dominated Penn throughout their match. Penn had no answer. Joe Rogan was disappointed at Penn's ringside corner advise...just full F words and nothing technical.

Looking forward to Gray Maynard vs Frank Edgar title match. But first, UFC 119 on Sept 25 with Frank Mir vs Mirco Crocop.

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[eddyb]

Toney was a waste of time

Edgar was just to fast for Penn....Pen didn't know what to do

 

[STDiva]

Looks like Penns time is up. He had a legendary run.

 

[AZBabes]

I found the card last night pretty boring. No knockout of the night award was given cuz we didnt get to see even 1 knockout. O well, they can't all be awesome. Diaz vs Davis fight was awesome. I feel sort of bad for Davis, he has vagina meat for skin and always ends up cut and bleeding. Good for lauzon, and Toney was a joke. As for BJ Penn, the fight was a domination. Bj should either retire, or reinvent himself and start training a lot harder. Hell, maybe he should ask GSP if he can train with him. Looking forward to MIR vs CRO COP.

 

[Master_Gio]

I didn't think the PPV was terrible, just pretty disappointing. I was shocked to see BJ get an ass beating the way he did.

I was not shocked to see Toney embarrass himself. that fight was godawful.

 

[STDiva]

James Toney is a joke. Basically stole that money from Dana White.

 

[Hot Mega]

James Toney is a joke. Basically stole that money from Dana White.

He's not a joke, he's a 42 year old, out of shape washed up boxer. Dana White is the joke for even allowing this to take place under a UFC banner.

Who in their right mind would pay to see a 42 year old, fat-assed James Toney fight an MMA Legend even if 47 years old??

That money would have been better used in the hands of a drunk off his ass panhandler.

 

[assholebythedoor]

I would watch the fights.

 

[shootfighter8]

He's not a joke, he's a 42 year old, out of shape washed up boxer. Dana White is the joke for even allowing this to take place under a UFC banner.

Who in their right mind would pay to see a 42 year old, fat-assed James Toney fight an MMA Legend even if 47 years old??

That money would have been better used in the hands of a drunk off his ass panhandler.

Whether its a joke or not, Dana and Randy wanted to deliver a message to the world of boxing to "shut the fuck up" as they've been running their mouths up for years that boxers are the better fighters. If you listened to the pre-fight interviews that Dana said that Toney has been chasing him for years...calling Dana and other MMA fighters names. When Toney got what he wanted, he was trash-talking Randy before the fight. Well, current IBO HW boxing champ Toney was embarrassed and the message was delivered. Boxing has loss some of its respect and credibility years ago because of alleged involvement in gambling and throwing fights. MMA/UFC is the premier fighting event today.

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[Marlo Manson]

James Toney in his prime was one of the best heavy weight fighters out there, the guy can fight!!! he almost beat Roy Jones Jr. in his prime, so the guy is a monster, I agree with HM, there is NO WAY in hell, boxers should be allowed to fight in the MMA its like apples and oranges. If I am Dana White, I Let Toney talk shit, I would NEVER put my sport/company in chincy situations!! Dana White should have never let that fight happen, Toney of course is gonna shoot off with the mouth about boxers being able too beat MMA fighters, truth is, once a boxer goes down all his advantages are out the door! MMA fighters are trained in all types of Martial Arts mixed with boxing, wrestling etc... its really no contest, or question who the better fighters are. Dana White should be ashamed of himself. does this ruin MMA? NO, it makes the MMA look bad, but if they don't place GIMMICK fights as headliner PPV events then it will be forgiven, but no more of that shit IMO. :2 cents:

 

[dogbone27]

James Toney in his prime was one of the best heavy weight fighters out there, the guy can fight!!! he almost beat Roy Jones Jr. in his prime, so the guy is a monster, I agree with HM, there is NO WAY in hell, boxers should be allowed to fight in the MMA its like apples and oranges. If I am Dana White, I Let Toney talk shit, I would NEVER put my sport/company in chincy situations!! Dana White should have never let that fight happen, Toney of course is gonna shoot off with the mouth about boxers being able too beat MMA fighters, truth is, once a boxer goes down all his advantages are out the door! MMA fighters are trained in all types of Martial Arts mixed with boxing, wrestling etc... its really no contest, or question who the better fighters are. Dana White should be ashamed of himself. does this ruin MMA? NO, it makes the MMA look bad, but if they don't place GIMMICK fights as headliner PPV events then it will be forgiven, but no more of that shit IMO. :2 cents:

so Dana himself says. If Tyson wanted to fight in the UFC Dana will sign him in a heartbeat.

 

[STDiva]

At the end of the day, Dana is a business man before a fan of the sport. If someone can make him some money, he's going to sign him. Tyson would probably have the highest grossing UFC Pay Per View of all time.

 

[Hot Mega]

Whether its a joke or not, Dana and Randy wanted to deliver a message to the world of boxing to "shut the fuck up" as they've been running their mouths up for years that boxers are the better fighters. If you listened to the pre-fight interviews that Dana said that Toney has been chasing him for years...calling Dana and other MMA fighters names. When Toney got what he wanted, he was trash-talking Randy before the fight. Well, current IBO HW boxing champ Toney was embarrassed and the message was delivered. Boxing has loss some of its respect and credibility years ago because of alleged involvement in gambling and throwing fights. MMA/UFC is the premier fighting event today.

SF8 :2 cents:

Boxers in general are far more skilled boxers than MMA fighters. MMA fighters in general are far more skilled fighters than boxers.

Putting James Toney against Randy Couture doesn't represent anything in my eyes. James Toney is a severely out of shape boxer past his prime. Couture is one of the best ever at MMA and in great shape by any age standard.

If this fight represents anything it is the lengths to which White will go to lower the standards of his game.

It's hard to suggest a way White could avoid it though if Toney convinced himself he wanted to do it. If a guy claims he has trained and has some professional skill it's hard to find a way to deny the fight if the two guys want to do it. If Toney is calling out Couture, I don't expect Couture to walk away from that...but make no mistake, the only thing that happened was James Toney was shut up.

 

[Marlo Manson]

so Dana himself says. If Tyson wanted to fight in the UFC Dana will sign him in a heartbeat.

Well if that's the case then so be it, but I don't ever see any former boxer beating a legitimate MMA fighter unless the MMA fighter wants to keep the fight stand up only. otherwise the MMA fighter will win everytime.

Tyson would get submitted just like Toney. who in there right mind would stand face to face with Tyson and trade blows with him? That said, if Dana did happen to get Tyson in a MMA fight I wouldn't pay to see that. I was lucky enough to see a Tyson fight live, albeit it didn't last more than a round or two, and of course ended in a pathetic knockout, which the guy he was fighting no doubt was guilty of taking a dive. it took longer to walk from the car to the stadium then it did for Tyson to knock the guy out. I am getting 2 :2offtopic but my point is, with corrupt judges in boxing and guys swimming in the middle of fight, whats real? like I said, I'm not gonna pay to watch some garbage like that. :2 cents:

 

[Icewater Jones]

Boxers in general are far more skilled boxers than MMA fighters. MMA fighters in general are far more skilled fighters than boxers.

Putting James Toney against Randy Couture doesn't represent anything in my eyes. James Toney is a severely out of shape boxer past his prime. Couture is one of the best ever at MMA and in great shape by any age standard.

If this fight represents anything it is the lengths to which White will go to lower the standards of his game.

It's hard to suggest a way White could avoid it though if Toney convinced himself he wanted to do it. If a guy claims he has trained and has some professional skill it's hard to find a way to deny the fight if the two guys want to do it. If Toney is calling out Couture, I don't expect Couture to walk away from that...but make no mistake, the only thing that happened was James Toney was shut up.

James Toney is never going to shut up. Call JT what you want, but don't call him a pussy... fact still remains, he's the only boxer to actually go this route, especially amongst those who talked shit. Also, he still has yet to be knocked out, neither Holyfield or RJJ was able to do the job.

JT lives anyone, anytime, anywhere... no matter what. I, more or less, lost some respect for Couture in this one. Here's a man in JT who knows he was out of shape, hadn't been boxing, and he comes to your world as a man ready to fight your style, in your back yard, and you don't even at least attempt to show you stand up skills. You bill yourself as an all-around fighter, but didn't fight an all-around fight. Show some respect to the warrior that came in even when there are MMA fighters that back down from fights with you. In the end, Couture didn't break JT. In fact, Toney was generally unfazed and undamaged by the loss. That fight didn't really do anything for anyone, at all. Period.

 

[Marlo Manson]

James Toney is never going to shut up. Call JT what you want, but don't call him a pussy... fact still remains, he's the only boxer to actually go this route, especially amongst those who talked shit. Also, he still has yet to be knocked out, neither Holyfield or RJJ was able to do the job.

JT lives anyone, anytime, anywhere... no matter what. I, more or less, lost some respect for Couture in this one. Here's a man in JT who knows he was out of shape, hadn't been boxing, and he comes to your world as a man ready to fight your style, in your back yard, and you don't even at least attempt to show you stand up skills. You bill yourself as an all-around fighter, but didn't fight an all-around fight. Show some respect to the warrior that came in even when there are MMA fighters that back down from fights with you. In the end, Couture didn't break JT. In fact, Toney was generally unfazed and undamaged by the loss. That fight didn't really do anything for anyone, at all. Period.

I tried to rep you but I gotta spread it around. anyhow now that you mention it like that, I agree with you. Couture didn't want any part of Toneys fists.

I knew there was something about Toney that I forgot to mention, NOBODY has ever knocked him out.. And the fact that James Toney is from Detroit, so he definitely 1 of my all-time favorite fighters. :glugglug:

 

[D-rock]

James Toney is never going to shut up. Call JT what you want, but don't call him a pussy... fact still remains, he's the only boxer to actually go this route, especially amongst those who talked shit. Also, he still has yet to be knocked out, neither Holyfield or RJJ was able to do the job.

JT lives anyone, anytime, anywhere... no matter what. I, more or less, lost some respect for Couture in this one. Here's a man in JT who knows he was out of shape, hadn't been boxing, and he comes to your world as a man ready to fight your style, in your back yard, and you don't even at least attempt to show you stand up skills. You bill yourself as an all-around fighter, but didn't fight an all-around fight. Show some respect to the warrior that came in even when there are MMA fighters that back down from fights with you. In the end, Couture didn't break JT. In fact, Toney was generally unfazed and undamaged by the loss. That fight didn't really do anything for anyone, at all. Period.

Doing anything other than what will maximize winning for you under the rules in a sport is stupid in my opinion. If somebody intentionally doesn't do things the sport allows them to that will help them just because they don't feel like it, it's not really playing the sport. I'm not going to blame Couture because he's not stupid or because he does MMA things IN A EVENT THAT'S A MMA FIGHTING CONTEST. When one is out of shape, past their prime, and out of their element they shut their damn mouth instead of talking trash to those people who will kick their ass, and that person should also stop pretending to be more than they are.

A better thing to take from this is boxing is in no way shape of form fighting. It's a game, with a lot of arbitrary constrained rules that has one fighting like element to it. It and it's fans like to pretend it's fighting and it's not. That's what needs to be realized. If there is a lesson to this match that is it. It's barely closer to fighting than kick the can is. While this wasn't a good match given the boxer who was fighting even the greatest boxers in history would lose the vast majority of times to even a mediocre MMA person in a fight. Even with somebody like Mike Tyson, who was mentioned before, there were probably even millions of regular people out there that could have beaten him in his prime with no weapons and with no lucky punches landing either way in a street fight or in a MMA type match. There is no way that happens to somebody like Couture, let along somebody like Lesner right now.

Now, if somebody want's to argue this was a stupid gimmicky match for a PPV, and something else a lot better could have been done then I will agree with them for the most part.

 

[Hot Mega]

Doing anything other than what will maximize winning for you under the rules in a sport is stupid in my opinion. If somebody intentionally doesn't do things the sport allows them to that will help them just because they don't feel like it, it's not really playing the sport. I'm not going to blame Couture because he's not stupid or because he does MMA things IN A EVENT THAT'S A MMA FIGHTING CONTEST. When one is out of shape, past their prime, and out of their element they shut their damn mouth instead of talking trash to those people who will kick their ass, and that person should also stop pretending to be more than they are.

A better thing to take from this is boxing is in no way shape of form fighting. It's a game, with a lot of arbitrary constrained rules that has one fighting like element to it. It and it's fans like to pretend it's fighting and it's not. That's what needs to be realized. If there is a lesson to this match that is it. It's barely closer to fighting than kick the can is. While this wasn't a good match given the boxer who was fighting even the greatest boxers in history would lose the vast majority of times to even a mediocre MMA person in a fight. Even with somebody like Mike Tyson, who was mentioned before, there were probably even millions of regular people out there that could have beaten him in his prime with no weapons and with no lucky punches landing either way in a street fight or in a MMA type match. There is no way that happens to somebody like Couture, let along somebody like Lesner right now.

Now, if somebody want's to argue this was a stupid gimmicky match for a PPV, and something else a lot better could have been done then I will agree with them for the most part.

I wouldn't say no boxer could win against an MMA fighter...some boxers are just damned good fighters and in some cases remove allot of techniques from the equation. "Crazy Horse" Bennett was a guy who kicked a whole lot of ass in MMA just by simply being a tough, ass kicking little motherfucker. He was so good with his hands he would overwhelming his opponents before they could even think about their techniques. If Gomi didn't have such a good chin Bennett would have destroyed him in a couple of rounds.

MMA fights are such that you're usually fighting against a person that can make you pay for one mistake with a submission. Frank Mir-Brock Lesner come to mind.

There are some fighters who can overcome submissions through simple, brute force.

Boxing in most cases is a tactical game more than fighting per se but usually the better fighter of 2 boxers will win a boxing match.

Most MMA fighters are simply not good boxers and if it's the case an accomplished boxer can avoid take downs many would pummel MMA fighters in stand up save for a few like Fedor for example. I say this as a person who has been practicing and competing in martial arts for many years.

Ultimately like anything it is about styles and mastery of techniques.

 

[shootfighter8]

There's no doubt that James Toney is one of the best BOXER in history and yes, JT will never shut up but then again he has NO bragging rights. Dana, Randy and UFC 118 will certainly remind him of that constantly every-time he tries to talk trash about MMA. JT signed the UFC contract and he surely was told of the MMA fight rules. JT even hired a combat-defense specialist to help him prepare against Randy but still got embarrassed. According to one of Couture's trainers, JT is still under contract with the UFC which makes him (JT) an open target for all the UFC fighters. If you claim that JT has never been knocked out and you want more of a stand-up fight...I look forward whenever Dana decide to pit James Toney against Mirco Crocop. That's a very interesting MMA fight in a striker's point of view. :fight:

I also agree that pure boxers has no business being in the UFC, Royce Gracie made it already known of that fact when he made boxer Art Jimmerson tap out in UFC 1 back in Nov 93.
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