The way the fight went down I call it an upset.
But I definitely thought Silva was going to win before the fight. All the shit Sonnen talked sounded like hype, but he backed it up.
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The way the fight went down I call it an upset.
But I definitely thought Silva was going to win before the fight. All the shit Sonnen talked sounded like hype, but he backed it up.
Injured ribs bro...........
What's next for Anderson Silva's title defense? The phenom Vitor Belfort or the axe-murderer Wanderlei Silva...
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Don't think Wandi would be much danger, I think Anderson would knock him out in a heart beat. And I never believed Belfort deserved a shot to begin with. I'd like to see the rematch. Give Anderson Silva time to recover from his 'phantom' rib injury so there are no excuses. And Sonnen time to heal and work on his prefight trash talk. I bet it would be the highest selling UFC PPV for the rematch..
I've certainly never seen it. But I have heard a fair number of commentators inferring a rope-a-dope situation, which is pretty strongly subjective.
BULLSHIT the man was getting his ass whup.
How did Silva get lucky?? The majority of times Sonnen has lost has been by triangle choke submission.
Well it's tough to argue that from any rational standpoint, which is sort of why I indicated he didn't look very good. I've just heard at least 4 commentators, (that idiot Brian Kenny included) say they thought Silva was pulling a rope-a-dope.
Dogbone, have you ever said anything that was remotely insightful?
Silva losing and then turning the match in his favor does not equate to luck. He didn't throw a blind punch. Chael didn't suffer a freak injury. Silva submitted him and if you know anything about Sonnen you would know that his submission defense is garbage.
Anderson was losing that fight for 23 minutes and he got a ten second window to capitalize on his opponent's mistake and he did, like champions do.
Silva losing and then turning the match in his favor does not equate to luck. He didn't throw a blind punch. Chael didn't suffer a freak injury. Silva submitted him and if you know anything about Sonnen you would know that his submission defense is garbage.
Anderson was losing that fight for 23 minutes and he got a ten second window to capitalize on his opponent's mistake and he did, like champions do.
Exactly. This match was 5 rounds...not for how ever long Sonnen was winning.
Further..when an opponent like Silva submits an opponent who's been submitted numerous times before the exact same way...that's damn near inevitability.
I wouldn't call it luck if (for example) an opponent known for a glass jaw got knocked out in the 12th round just because he was leading on the score cards.
Had Buster Douglas not gotten up when Mike Tyson knocked him down, that wouldn't have been luck despited the fact Tyson was behind on the score cards. It would have been viewed as Tyson having an off night and still winning in usual fashion.
That's what studying "film" of your opponent is about...aside from that it was two masterful submission moves by Silva as Sonnen tried a defense and ended up in a worse submission hold.
Amazing comebacks in the last two big title fights. Brock got pounded and came back as did Anderson, just proving of true champions.
Can't wait for Vitor to get a his shot at Anderson next.
Junior dos Santos is a scary man and I can't wait for him to fight Cain, Shane and Brock. JDS is 4 Real.
Roy Nelson proved how tough he is by taking an uncanny amount of shots to the head of the uber powerful JDS.
On the Prelims, Rick Story looked like a beast.
Can't wait for Vitor to get a his shot at Anderson next.
Junior dos Santos is a scary man and I can't wait for him to fight Cain, Shane and Brock. JDS is 4 Real.
Roy Nelson proved how tough he is by taking an uncanny amount of shots to the head of the uber powerful JDS.
On the Prelims, Rick Story looked like a beast.
I'm like you and find that a little hard to believe. The main reason I think so is rope-a-dope is a very bad strategy if that person is the better fighter, because there is way too much risk involved when you should just be able to beat the other person the normal way. Another factor is that there is only so many ways to cushion blows, even worse in this sport where it literally has no ropes to help with that. Every time a person has to take a blow that just means there is more times they can get knocked out or some part of them gets hurt, while they wait for their moment to step it up. An underdog can sometimes afford very risky strategies because they don't have much to lose. That isn't the case for somebody that's supposed to be the best or at least the superior fighter.
As far is it being luck that he won, I would say yes and no. It would be like a baseball player hitting a homerun in the bottom of the ninth when he's the last out to pull ahead and win the game. It was skillful what he did, in that it didn't just happen by magic and some awareness of the situation probably played a part, but on the other hand the chances of it being a good outcome giving the circumstances aren't good even with an opponent that's known to let his guard down with submissions. I think it's one of those things that if a similar situation from before the submission happened a hundred times the person getting their ass beat will probably lose the majority of them, maybe even the vast majority of them. That where luck would come into it.
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I don't think it was part of his plan to get pummeled. But if Silva's plan was to exploit an apparent weakness in Sonnen's defense to the triangle submission....it could have just been a matter of timing. Sonnen is too experienced to expose himself to a flying triangle...in this case then..how else is baited into position for it? Now the problem for Silva was Sonnen's a good fighter and he's trying to win too.
I say timing when it comes to fighting as opposed to some other skill sport....because factors like the weariness of your opponent sometimes plays a role in your ability to capitalize on a submission.
If it was part of Silva's strategy to take advantage of this hole in Sonnen's defense...and he keeps at it....I'm not sure it matters whether it's the first round or fifth round.
Just like if a boxer's strategy is to knock his opponent out with the perfect overhand right...if he gets the opening he's studied...you can say his strategy worked no matter how the score cards looked.
The objective is to win the fight.
The problem with that is that's just not a smart move to rely on that. If it's some extra thing the person has planned if the opportunity arrives then fine, but relying on a plan like that is a recipe for disaster. If that's the boxer's strategy and that boxers gets in to the very late match and that perfect overhand right opportunity hasn't come yet then he should be very VERY worried. He wasted the entire bout on something at that point is probably not going to come when he could have been winning this whole time if he was the better fighter. The chances of an opening popping up right when you need one in a timely manner are not good.
So either Silva was operating on the stupidest strategy of his career and it almost cost him or we was just getting his ass kicked and had a very timely and opportune event pop up right when he needed it to help him get an unlikely win at that time. I'm thinking the latter is what more likely happened.
The objective is to win, but that should be done by maximizing what will make a person win.
Well...it's all my speculation based on what I know of the 2 fighters. Any fighter develops a strategy in the context of the style, strengths and weaknesses of their opponent.
That doesn't mean whatever strategy they come up with will ignore any other opportunity that may present itself. But if you believe in it you stick with it.
Sonnen did exactly what he said he was going to try to do against Silva...the majority of Sonnen's losses have come by way of triangle submission...he was again triangle submitted by Silva. How ever the course of the fight went...the resulting loss for Sonnen was a consistent one. Silva is too good IMO for a triangle submission against a guy notorious for being submitted that way to be sheer happenstance.
To me it doesn't really matter at what point it occurred as what ever strategy a fighter has is for the entire fight.
Most good opponents make the best plans look bad..the only thing you can go by is if it ultimately worked or not.
sonnen gassed it doesn't matter if silva pulled out a win at the last sec he was still gettin his ass whupped it was all luck because of sonnen crappy sub def. if he had a more better sub def he may be champ right now.
sonnen came with a game plan. that rope a dope was all bullshit only silva fanboys wanna believe it.
silva also used rib injury as a excuse because he knew he got ass whupped. i hope doest start to be like tito.....making some kind of excuse every time he loss a fight.
sonnen came with a game plan. that rope a dope was all bullshit only silva fanboys wanna believe it.
silva also used rib injury as a excuse because he knew he got ass whupped. i hope doest start to be like tito.....making some kind of excuse every time he loss a fight.
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