Americans should not be allowed to own guns.

[sproing99]

the United States first line of defense against an armed invasion is a redneck in a pickup truck with his hunting rifle

The first line against invasion is a military complex which spends more on "defense" than the rest of the world put together, rednecks in pickups would just get in the way.

They're as relevant to U.S. national defence as the duke of Norfolk's obligation to provide 150 pikemen and 50 archers is to that of the U.K.

 

[Cpt.Obvious]

The first line against invasion is a military complex which spends more on "defense" than the rest of the world put together, rednecks in pickups would just get in the way.

and you think Americans are going to sit and get blown up until the army arrives ?

They're as relevant to U.S. national defence as the duke of Norfolk's obligation to provide 150 pikemen and 50 archers is to that of the U.K.

Most Americans are pissed that we spend money on national defense and use it defending an ingrateful world.
Most of us would prefer we sat back and let everyone burn and save our own buts.

I'll be the first to admit we're gun nutty.
Not defending it, its just the way we are, for what ever reasons for better or worse.

 

[sproing99]

and you think Americans are going to sit and get blown up until the army arrives ?

Do you seriously think that enough rednecks in pickups with get to the invasion points before:

- The army/national guard get there in force by helicopter
- The airforce and army can bring in airstrikes

The idea of an armed informal militia repulsing an invasion force is complete fantasy.

 

[hedonis]

The funny thing is that Canada also has a long tradition of hunting and owning guns with iirc 6-7 million guns in circulation yet the crime rate in Canada is only a fraction of that in the US. That should tell everyone something about American society.

Canada — Population: 33,212,696 (July 2008 est.)


Population, United States 304,059,724 - Jul 2008


Perhaps it's because Canada's population is only a fraction of that of the US that their crime rate is only a fraction of that of the US.

And that's a wonky stat anyhow- not all crime is gun-related, and not all violent crimes are committed with guns.

Is it better when a guy whacks someone to death with a bat?


H

 

[sproing99]

Canada — Population: 33,212,696 (July 2008 est.)


Population, United States 304,059,724 - Jul 2008


Perhaps it's because Canada's population is only a fraction of that of the US that their crime rate is only a fraction of that of the US.

And that's a wonky stat anyhow- not all crime is gun-related, and not all violent crimes are committed with guns.

Is it better when a guy whacks someone to death with a bat?


H

Crime rates are usually quoted as a rate per 100,000 population to allow rates to be compared independently of population. If the U.S. crime rate is double that of Canada, it means that there are approximately 18 times as many crimes.

Unless you're suggesting that the lower Canadian population means that it's more rural and hence that the crime rate is lower. If that's the case then it's at odds with Cpt. Obvious's assertion that the rural crime rate is higher than the unrba crime rate because there's more chance of getting away with it in the boonies.

 

[sproing99]

I'll be the first to admit we're gun nutty.
Not defending it, its just the way we are, for what ever reasons for better or worse.

And that IMO is a fair reason to want guns - because you want them. Without the bullshit of trying to justify it by higher motives.

 

[Cpt.Obvious]

And that IMO is a fair reason to want guns - because you want them. Without the bullshit of trying to justify it by higher motives.

And my point is, good luck making that happen.
we would sooner blow someone's head off then surrender our guns.
It's just who we are.
even those who argue for tougher gun control laws want and own guns.

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

Ut ballista es interdico tantum interdico mos have ballista.

 

[smoknn]

when you in your house one night....and you get woke up to 3 guys with guns having there way with your wife ..girlfriend..maybe even your child...you want have such a bad taste for guns simply for protection...if you go to sleep in your house at night without a gun.....shhhh i wouldnt tell noone shhhhhhh,,,,,,,come thru my window at night..my dogs wake me up....im gunna blow you out the window,,,,,ask questions later.....this is a cruel world im not shooting anyone..unless they are a threat to me or someone i love,..then...i see you in hell

 

[sproing99]

when you in your house one night....and you get woke up to 3 guys with guns having there way with your wife ..girlfriend..maybe even your child...you want have such a bad taste for guns simply for protection...if you go to sleep in your house at night without a gun.....shhhh i wouldnt tell noone shhhhhhh,,,,,,,come thru my window at night..my dogs wake me up....im gunna blow you out the window,,,,,ask questions later.....this is a cruel world im not shooting anyone..unless they are a threat to me or someone i love,..then...i see you in hell

How many times would you imagine any of this happpens ?

 

[Ace Boobtoucher]

It's better to have a handgun and not need it than to need a handgun and not have it.

 

[marquis2]

How many times would you imagine any of this happpens ?

What happens much more often-and regularly-is that somebody fires at the "intruder" only to find that it wasn't an intruder at all but a family member or friend.

Also , if there are 3 men with guns you might just be able to deal with one or two of them but the last one might well settle your argument for you.You don't knowingly take on odds of 3 to 1.

Your argument is on a par with putting grease on the roof to prevent Martians from landing there.It doesn't fit with reality.

 

[sproing99]

It's better to have a handgun and not need it than to need a handgun and not have it.

Unless the climate of fear engendered by that kind of thinking creates a vicious circle.

In London, kids carry knives to protect themselves from kids who carry knives to protect themselves from kids who carry knives to protect themselves from kids who carry knives to protect themselves from kids who carry knives to protect themselves from kids who carry knives to protect themselves from kids who carry knives....... and so on



Unless the gun is involved in an accidental killing - thousands a year



And I return to my initial question - Why do so many Americans feel so threatened that they feel they need a gun for personal protection ?

 

[Werewolf]

If you own a gun there are two Possibilities:

1. You keep it safely locked (Which means you won't be able to get to it in Time, if you need it)

2. You don't lock it. (So your Kids might grab it and shoot your Neighbour)

Useless...

 

[Ainttalkinlove]

Do you seriously think that enough rednecks in pickups with get to the invasion points before:

- The army/national guard get there in force by helicopter
- The airforce and army can bring in airstrikes

The idea of an armed informal militia repulsing an invasion force is complete fantasy.

Yes absolutely as an american citizen It is your duty to defend those in your country that cant defend themselves. Not only is it your duty but your abligation this is OUR country that WE have to protect. Im not saying we didnt come about getting this country by the most honest means (Sorry native Americans), but If someone broke into your house and said this Is all mine now, it belongs to me and there is nothing you can do about it then started shooting up your family are you gonna sit around waiting for the police or are you gonna start fighting? Maybe, you'll just give it to them.

Guns are meant to protect us more so from a global threat. the National guard is very ill equipped to and response time is not immediate and if you think that they have a super defense plan "just in case" you are gravely mistaken.

We as americans have the right granted to us by our founding fathers to own guns to protect us from tyrany and oppresion from our own or outside governments. What dumbfounds me is that this doesnt seem to be taught in schools. Whats taught in schools is fear of firearms because people dont understand what oppression is like. It makes me sick that ANYONE who has freedom takes it for granted. People have fought hard for everyone to be able to continue to be able to fight in the hopes that one day, no one will have to fight.

 

[sproing99]

Yes absolutely as an american citizen It is your duty to defend those in your country that cant defend themselves. Not only is it your duty but your abligation this is OUR country that WE have to protect. Im not saying we didnt come about getting this country by the most honest means (Sorry native Americans), but If someone broke into your house and said this Is all mine now, it belongs to me and there is nothing you can do about it then started shooting up your family are you gonna sit around waiting for the police or are you gonna start fighting? Maybe, you'll just give it to them.

But why are you so sure (or frightened) that this is going to happen ?

The thought of someone shooting up my family has simply never occurred to me.

If they want my stuff they can have it, I'm insured and stuff isn't worth risking my life over.

Guns are meant to protect us more so from a global threat. the National guard is very ill equipped to and response time is not immediate and if you think that they have a super defense plan "just in case" you are gravely mistaken..

You genuinely that a disorganised, armed populace will provide any kind or resistance against the kind of enemy who'd think of taking on the might of the U.S. military ?

The British thought about that kind of thing in WWII, but they formed an organised "Home Guard" but even then there was doubt that they would do anything other than give people a sense or purpose, they weren't really considered a military asset in many circles.

We as americans have the right granted to us by our founding fathers to own guns to protect us from tyrany and oppresion from our own or outside governments. What dumbfounds me is that this doesnt seem to be taught in schools. Whats taught in schools is fear of firearms because people dont understand what oppression is like. It makes me sick that ANYONE who has freedom takes it for granted. People have fought hard for everyone to be able to continue to be able to fight in the hopes that one day, no one will have to fight.

I get it, you (the majority of the U.S. people) like guns. I just think you need to be honest with yourselves why.

 

[Ainttalkinlove]

I was in the military I have been to war. I have seen realities that alot of people can shrug their shoulders at. The real world is not the world of comfort and technology that we all take for granted.

Everybodies got a mouth and a wild imagination until they live it.

 

[sproing99]

I was in the military I have been to war. I have seen realities that alot of people can shrug their shoulders at. The real world is not the world of comfort and technology that we all take for granted.

Everybodies got a mouth and a wild imagination until they live it.

Assuming that you were in the U.S. military when you went to war then you've served in either Korea, Indochina or the Middle East. Are you seriously suggesting that an armed, disorganised militia would be a significant factor in:

• Superpower posturing following the end of the second world war (Korea)
• Cleaning up the aftermath of an ugly colonial war with the added spice of more superpower posturing (Vietnam)
• A mechanised assault against a large conventional adversary (Gulf War 1)
• A mechanised assault against a medium sized conventional adversary (Gulf War 2)
• A guerilla war against a highly organised tribal opponent (Afghanistan)

At what point in the last 100 years has the U.S. been threatened in a way that having that same armed disorganised militia would have helped in any way ?


By all means have guns because you like them, or want to hunt using them or to protect your family against paraniod fantasies but don't delude yourself that they have any role in protecting the U.S. against external or internal threats.

 

[skechers]

If you own a gun there are two Possibilities:

1. You keep it safely locked (Which means you won't be able to get to it in Time, if you need it)

2. You don't lock it. (So your Kids might grab it and shoot your Neighbour)

Useless...

Oh, no. This could be easily rectified. You know how you do it?

You teach your kids about guns. About how they are not toys. About how they are to be respected. Maybe, as they get older, you teach them how to handle a gun safely.

I knew the right way to hold a gun, to check to see if it was loaded, and to check and turn on the safety by the time I was 7. I never had an accident, because I was educated.

 

[lovejoy]

The issue of owning guns in America is GOD-giving rights from our founding fathers who fought the tyranny of the corrupted British Governors in New England and his RED COAT Army.


Today, the same British Red Coat Army just changed their coat and become civil servants sort of, so-called National Police, Intell, Private Investigators, Loss Prevention Investigators and their corrupted consultants, ministers, and Members of the Court who wasted hundreds of millions and who do nothing but abuse the power and abuse you.



It is GOD giving rights, to the least to bear arms given by our founding Fathers against the tyranny of the Government. Thomas Jefferson.

Without the militants in New England and throughout the early days in 1776, America can not fight a much more superior force and won !


Happy Birthday, July The Fourth :nanner: !