Americans should not be allowed to own guns.
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No they haven't, my argument that there's a glorification & fetishisation of firearms in the US is a fact! Look at american cinema & music videos & guns are everywhere. No wonder a lot of americans seem to adore their guns in some kind of borederline sexual way. Its so ingrained in the collective psyche of america that guns are cool & shooting things is cool. It will never change, but as long as it stays over there & doesn't, like a lot of stuff from US, creep over to the UK I not overly bothered just find it a state of mind that is hard to comprehend.
remember the tv series "makepeace and dempsey"? It was a british one, the guy had a gun a puthon 357 magnum and used it. If you have seen "snatch" or "revolver" which were both made by a British realisator, it also featured violence. You should stop blaming Americans for their guns, it is part of their culture and heritage, so deal with it. Same comment can be said about cars, pin ups and harley davidson as well as titan and indian motorcycles.
Concerning the UK, just see what happens in Nottingham before criticizing the US.
The Paulinator
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No they haven't, my argument that there's a glorification & fetishisation of firearms in the US is a fact! Look at american cinema & music videos & guns are everywhere. No wonder a lot of americans seem to adore their guns in some kind of borederline sexual way. Its so ingrained in the collective psyche of america that guns are cool & shooting things is cool. It will never change, but as long as it stays over there & doesn't, like a lot of stuff from US, creep over to the UK I not overly bothered just find it a state of mind that is hard to comprehend.
I understand that you, on a personal level, dislike firearms, and therefore think any reference to such is seen as "fetishist". This is subjective, however. The fact is that guns are legal to own on a personal level. I agree that violence is glorified in many entertainment forms, but it is more of a control fantasy than of any particular weaponry (see the stabbing scene in the movie "Saving Private Ryan" for a sexual-type violence scene) (see "Gladiator") et.al.
Because something is glorified and seen as a fetish is a reason to ban it? People who think that way, well, they just suck
P.S. fetishisation is not a word
Facetious
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Since when is it the business of non American citizens to dictate what the hell we do or don't do here ? I mean, I want everybody in the UK and Euro etc. to have the government that they want and all, it's just that I don't understand the passion that some of our overseas friends have for disarming America. :dunno:
You know what it is ? They're really just lazy closet pro fire arm people who, instead of becoming pro active, joining their rifle clubs and firearm advocacy groups, of which do exist in the UK and parts of Europe, BTW, they take the easy route of socialism and speak out against the timelessly unique Amercan Second Amendment.
Ahh Haa !!
You know what it is ? They're really just lazy closet pro fire arm people who, instead of becoming pro active, joining their rifle clubs and firearm advocacy groups, of which do exist in the UK and parts of Europe, BTW, they take the easy route of socialism and speak out against the timelessly unique Amercan Second Amendment.
Ahh Haa !!
because our founding fathers said we had the right. they also said, if need be, we can use those weapons to remove our government and start over.
we can own guns. we will own guns. simple as that.
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Ummm dear no, open a can of worms with the great BB?
NO way. that wasn't my intentions. Its just everytime I read posts from these anti-why do Americans have guns threads / posts. I always take the shortcut of the matter into consideration, maybe NOT you BLUEBALLS but I think a great percentage of your population & those countries that have a NO GUNS for citizens policy are IMHO envious, jealous people who wish they could own a guns like we do.
I know if I can't have something, I am envious and jealous of people, who can and do have certain things I want, its.
(1) for the most part its a guys thing to love guns, as I stated I am sure allot of women love guns as well, but statistically its a mans love and desire.
(2) Its human nature too obsess, argue, & reason why its not right for you not too be able to have something you dearly want, and others like myself can get, and have what you desire legally, is very hard to swallow sort of speak.
This post contains allot of example exaggeration, but it was in attempt too clarify my points, I just think when push comes to shove, most of the problem is many of the people who question the USA's policy on guns are those same people who dearly want guns, but because of the laws in their countries are not able to own them. :2 cents: that's the can of worms I was trying to expose (Mr. BlueBalls) and too anybody else who took exception too my across the pond chatter. :bowdown:
:hatsoff:Since when is it the business of non American citizens to dictate what the hell we do or don't do here ? I mean, I want everybody in the UK and Euro etc. to have the government that they want and all, it's just that I don't understand the passion that some of our overseas friends have for disarming America. :dunno:
You know what it is ? They're really just lazy closet pro fire arm people who, instead of becoming pro active, joining their rifle clubs and firearm advocacy groups, of which do exist in the UK and parts of Europe, BTW, they take the easy route of socialism and speak out against the timelessly unique Amercan Second Amendment.
Ahh Haa !!
Really????
Please tell us more. :thefinger
As I've already stated keep your guns, they're in your constitution so who am I or anyone else who is not a citizen to try to take them away from you. I think what it is with most foreigners (minus georges of course) is that we all see on the news the various school shootings, church shootings etc etc and we wonder how can they continue to allow these things to take place wouldnt tougher laws on guns, maybe the ristriction of gun sales so that they arent as easy to buy.
Of course it's not as simple as that, but we in our socalist paradise who were not raised on guns but when we see the constant stream of news fottage coming from the states and recently from Germany you have to wonder, why is it so easy for people to buy them? And if it wasnt so easy or if they werent so much a part of American society would these things be happening? Maybe they wouldnt, who know's....
I like the fact that my country has pretty tough gun laws, I like the fact that only a small percentage of police forces are allowed the use of them. I feel much safer in the knowledge that the police officer isnt going to draw a weapon everytime he/she faces trouble and I like the fact that although you can buy guns here, mostly illegally, it's quite hard to do so.
So keep your guns, but dont tell anyone they're jealous because they cant have them and thats why they bitch about them because that argument makes no sense and you know it. I like my country the way it is - in a sense that we have no guns, there are plenty of other things that piss me off about it but thats another thread.
We already have enough of these threads anyway :crash:
I'm an American, and I have never owned, or even fired a gun. I never really felt the need to.
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It was an example of a society, run by a dictator, that was not free. You know, if you spent half as much time trying to come up with answers, instead of nit picking the smallest flaws in a good deal of the posts I make, or maybe tried to offer constructive solutions, as opposed to pointing out problems that exist, and complaining how they need to be fixed, you might be able to fix the world. Or at least your corner of it. To be honest, I'm starting to think that you have a personal agenda with me.
mrtrebus said:
And you don't?!?! Do you want to see it happen again, because it could...in any one of the OTHER countries that DO NOT allow a free society the right to bear arms.
Facetious said:
Because they all have a shitty situation, and a shitty standard of living, and because they can't bring themselves up to our standard, they wanna drag us down to theirs...same reason certain politicians, and high powered people in this country want a one world government. That's also the main reason they want us disarmed, I know you get that, but most people live under the sad delusion that gun laws are passed because the leaders want to limit crime, and make the country safer...they like to say things like "what about the children", and such...it's all bullshit. Take our guns, then you can take whatever else you want.
Yankeefan21325 said:
Gun owners don't have a problem with that...it's your right, just don't try and take away ours. That's all were saying, and that's the main difference between pro gun, and anti gun people.
christ this crap gets old. it's not always about protection. i have 1 gun for protection (a .45 pistol) because let's face it, shit does happen. the 14 rifles i own are all WWII guns. i am a collector and shooter of WWII weapons. there's more than 1 reason to own a gun.
It makes sense to stand back from the rhetoric and look at reality.
Does owning a gun for protection have the desired effect? Overall, no , you are many times more likely to shoot or be shot by a family member in error.This isn't to say that under no circumstances guns do protect you but it's more likely than not it will have the opposite effect.
Does gun ownership protect against tyrannical government? Jefferson of course was talking about the past , having got rid of British rule.The Second Amendment and the Militia Act which clarified it were clearly measures to protect and support the new government and in particular the president, not to overthrow it.In any case can you see any way that having a gun will protect you?In the final analysis most people would see armed uprising as being unpatriotic.It's already been noted that the Iraq population was heavily armed but they still feared and suffered under Saddam Hussein.
Does owning a gun for protection have the desired effect? Overall, no , you are many times more likely to shoot or be shot by a family member in error.This isn't to say that under no circumstances guns do protect you but it's more likely than not it will have the opposite effect.
Does gun ownership protect against tyrannical government? Jefferson of course was talking about the past , having got rid of British rule.The Second Amendment and the Militia Act which clarified it were clearly measures to protect and support the new government and in particular the president, not to overthrow it.In any case can you see any way that having a gun will protect you?In the final analysis most people would see armed uprising as being unpatriotic.It's already been noted that the Iraq population was heavily armed but they still feared and suffered under Saddam Hussein.
Facetious
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Why not dismember the R.A.F. then, with that kind of attitude ?
Look how far we've slid into the world of political correct revisionism -
Today, a man is "scared" for wanting to exercise his ability to carry out his Constitutional Right(s) ? :updown:
So, the guy who surrenders, unarmed and unprepared for the unknown future is the most courageous ?
If that's the case, you're further along than I thought.
I am not happy about that. :uohs:
Who is scared? I walk down the street everyday without fear. I do not carry a firearm. All of my firearms are long guns, two rifles and a shotgun. It's the pussies walking around with illegal guns that are the problem. A gun does not make you a badass. These gangstas with their spray and pray bullshit are a joke. When I drop the hammer I know where the bullet is going.
Legal firearms = Second Amendment Right
Illegal guns = Pussies trying to compensate
The Paulinator
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Do you have any supporting evidence for this statement, or is it, too, rhetoric?
Why all the other rights in the Bill of Rights to protect citizens' rights against government, while this, just one amendment is to protect government's right?
In a "doomsday scenario" to re-establish the law of the land is far less abstract than any argument you have put forth so far
Cite a source or it didn't happen. The Iraqi military was heavily armed.
If you go to a reference spot such as wikipdia and put in "guns in america" you will find many links to studies that show overall you are less secure and not more by having a gun in the house.Even as a supporter of the 2nd amendment I don't think trying to deny the facts helps our cause.As I have stated many times and Marquis stated all the studies and facts show most shootings in this country (the usa) are the result of heat of the moment disputes between people who knew each other who were up to that point law abiding citizens.
And its also true that almost all adult males in Iraq possesed a weapon before and now.That does not show IMO that an armed populace is not a deterent to a govt that is despotic and hated by its people though.What it shows IMO is that Saddam and his regime were not so unpopular and despised by the people of Iraq as some might like to claim.
Thanks for informing me.
But only in those countries?!? You seem to be saying that having guns would prevent such a thing happening?!? How?!? The bad guys would have them too.
30s UK fascist Oswald Mosley was defeated without guns. I dread to think how the 'Battle of Cable St' would have gone if everyone had the right to bear arms.
and no one should drive after drinking, oil companies should not rape the consumers simply because they can, men and women shouldn't bring kids into the world unless they are prepared financially and emotionally to do so, credit card companies shouldn't be allowed to charge 20% interest for anything
that said, it is what it is. Americans have guns, deal with it.
that said, it is what it is. Americans have guns, deal with it.
The Paulinator
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The reason I asked for sources was because I would prefer that someone would research the truth before just reciting something that they heard somewhere once. It might be common sense that there would be more gunshot wounds where guns are present than where they aren't....but humans have been know to stretch facts into ridiculous myths by small increments at a time.
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