After seeing Batman: The Dark Knight's trailer....some spoilers
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I think Heath will do well. I really hate to compare. I've loved Romero's, Nicholson's, and Hamill's for the longest now. They are all great as well as different from one another. Ledger's performance will be no exception. Which is appreciated, cause the last thing I want to see from any actor, is that of essentially carbon copying another actor's performance with the same character. But thankfully, that doesnt seem to be the case here. Which is good, to say the very least.
ChefChiTown
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I hate Heath Ledger, but I have to agree. Judging from what I saw of him in the trailer, it looks like he nailed it. His voice sounded good, he looks creepy and his evil laugh was right on the money. Hopefully he can carry a good performance through the entire movie.
I am no Batman comic scholar...but my sense is that, in the comics, The Joker is much more of a psychotic lunatic and less "grinning goofball" as portrayed by Nicholson. Tim Burton's "stylized vision" overshadowed that film, imo.
Heath Ledger looks like a fucking lunatic in that film...I can't wait to see it.
The 60's TV Batman & Robin exists out of "the comic world" and should be discussed separately. I love the old TV Show but it is pure fun and 60's camp...I don't treat is as Batman Canon....
Heath Ledger looks like a fucking lunatic in that film...I can't wait to see it.
The 60's TV Batman & Robin exists out of "the comic world" and should be discussed separately. I love the old TV Show but it is pure fun and 60's camp...I don't treat is as Batman Canon....
batman canon? batman doesn't use guns:batman:
looks like this joker is pure homicidal sociopath, which is good. looks like he dresses up in whiteface and sloppy lipstick, rather than being physically disfigured like the canon joker. i believe it's a good move, especially given the limits of makeup (the mouth. . .) but it does limit some storyline possibilities. 's gonna be a hot date!
I think the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher Batman films were all embarrassingly awful. It's hard to tell who sucked worse, Jack Nicholson, Jim Carrey, Governor Schwarzenegger, Uma Thurman, Danny DeVito...
I think Christopher Nolan's "Batman Begins" was simply awesome. He's the best director around, imo. I love all of his films. If you didn't like BB then, yeah, I'd skip The Dark Knight...
Maybe check out the "Prologue" footage that appears before the IMAX "I Am Legend" before you reserve final judgment?:dunno:
So there I was, sitting down to watch BB, I thought great, a new direction, new everything and it Begins .... wait a second it's ripping off The Shadow (1993)! Later on, wait a second it's ripping off The Crow (1994). Aside from a lousy villain (he pulls on a mask and blows dust in your face) and the worlds youngest lawyer (Katie Holmes), I felt it was just an OK comic book flick, still, nice production values.
I don't think we have IMAX in the UK. I'll watch Dark Knight when it comes out on DVD or HD, gimme about 5 months, lol.
I don't think we have IMAX in the UK. I'll watch Dark Knight when it comes out on DVD or HD, gimme about 5 months, lol.
I read somewhere that some of the Batman movies were made just to sell toys. :1orglaugh
Maybe so. Those toys are probably as worthless today as the movies are. I liked "Beetlejuice" and "Nightmare Before Christmas" by Tim Burton. Other then those two...Burton gets tossed on the "overrated scrapheap" imo...
I believe 14 of The Bard's plays contain every Hollywood plot/setup/characterization ever filmed...What I like about BB is the "realism" that he tries to portray. Most comic adaptations go for the "let's bring the comics on to the Big screen!!!" approach with an orgy of special effects...I think I saw "The Crow" but I don't remember. I'm more familiar with the Crow ripoff known as STING!! "The Crow" was a comic book too, right?
Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are the only Batman movies that are completely worthless. Those were the movies that were made to sell toys. I love Batman (1989) but there were flaws that I don't like. The fact that the movie centered around The Joker killing Batman's parents mess it up for me and the fact that The Joker completely upstaged Batman but I do like the film because it was the first serious take on Batman. Batman Returns was more of the same and I enjoyed it. I have them both on dvd. I refuse to buy the crapfests called Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. I don't want to see neon homo-erotic lights and nipples on the suit in a Batman movie. The Riddler wasn't that bad but Two-Face was absoultly horrible. They could've at least cast Billy Dee Williams back in that role. Mr. Freeze was all wrong, couldn't stand Poison Ivy, couldn't differentiate Batman from Bruce Wayne, Robin sucked, Batgirl isn't Alfred's niece, and Bane was a baby. I mean seriously, Bane broke Batman freaking back in the comics and they turned him into a baby. Batman Begins is my absolute favorite Batman movie of all time. It's the only one in my opinion that finally got it right. The movie was focused on Batman, Joe Chill killed Bruce's parents just like in the comics not The Joker, Batman is something to be feared of and they portrayed that correctly, the story they used came from about 3 or 4 different Batman storylines so if they copied anything it was from the source material. The movie was centered around a real world enviroment as if it could actually happen. They even explained where he got all of his wonderful toys. I thought Ra's Al Ghul and Scarecrow were portrayed correctly as well. All in all I loved the way the franchise was rebooted. I trust Chris Nolan with this franchise and can't wait for The Dark Knight. I like what I'm seeing of The Joker. He looks and feels completely psychotic. Oh yeah, The Crow was a comic book as well and I like that too.
Imhotep
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actually, having the joker kill bruce's parents would give good reason why the joker was batman's arch enemy. :2 cents:
the joker was actually "born" of the batman's own psychosis. he was the "equal and opposite reaction" of batman's actions. i think we're going to see that dynamic explored a little here. something else i lke that nolan hasn't done, kill off the villains after one movie. all the burton/schumacher movies had the villain(s) die at the end. wtf?
(some did not actually "die" but were definitely not coming back in a sequel)
Imhotep
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i think it was a sign of the times. back when batman was made it was a different world. the audience actually pays attention. we know what is believable and what isnt.
My feeling is that Nicholson did a damn good job playing the Joker in Burton's Batman 1989 flick. Why? Because he essentially played the Joker that was seen in the Golden, and Silver Age of Batman comics. And that was a Joker that often pulled outlandish crimes, pranks, and even had a perma grin (much like the one Nicholson sported) back during the 1950's era. Another thing to consider, is that comics in general, were just beginning to become dark and gritty during the 1980's. Currently, we are used to seeing a dark, psychotic, evil as hell Joker that would kill you just as soon as he would shake your hand. But during the era in which Burton's Batman 1989 was finally taking shape, this wasnt something that was not quite as often seen as it's presented these days. And even with a lighter approach, Nicholson was also able to convey a certain nastiness to his Joker that was honestly never seen before with the general public. This wasnt Ceaser Romero's Joker, which was also great, but a Joker that actually KILLED people while cracking jokes during and even after the deed was done. That was something new to the general public. As well as the film itself. As people were more or less expecting a repeat of what we saw during the 1960's. Thankfully, that did not happen. And for it's time, I appreciate and love Batman 1989 for what it set out to accomplish, and present to a audience who often thought, "Biff!, Pow!, Kaplunk! Splat!" when thinking anything regarding Batman.
Like I said, Nicholson essentially played the Golden Age/Silver Age Joker. And was excellent in the part. Ledger to his credit, is apparently playing the more modern Joker with elements of his first few appearance in Batman comics where he was deadly thrown in for good measure. Much like with Hamill and Romero, I do not like to compare. Because each performance was great, as well as different for it's era.
Like I said, Nicholson essentially played the Golden Age/Silver Age Joker. And was excellent in the part. Ledger to his credit, is apparently playing the more modern Joker with elements of his first few appearance in Batman comics where he was deadly thrown in for good measure. Much like with Hamill and Romero, I do not like to compare. Because each performance was great, as well as different for it's era.
Well, Batman was inspired by The Shadow years back when he was being created (Batman even killed criminals using guns for a couple of issues), so I wouldn't hold that against the movie. And there were a couple of villains in Begins: the mob bosses of the Mafia, Scarecrow (the dust is fear gas, which brings out your deepest fears and feelings), and Ra's Al Ghul, a top tier Batman villain.
Begins portrayed a similar gritty version of Batman that's in the comics now, and tried to be realistic enough for the real world. For instance Ra's Al Ghul (Liam Neeson) can come back to life (and has numerous times) by dipping his body into something called a Lazarus Pit, but that was axed out of the movie in favor of the actual ending where he didn't survive.
I totally agree there, Lamont Cranston/Shadow is a mirror of Bruce Wayne/Batman.
Zorro fits in there as well.
yes even as a person not versed in Batman knowledge, The Joker in the comics is a complete psychopath. the type that shoots children then laughs. Heath Ledger is playing that version.
