A Senseless War Begins Its 10th Year

PlasmaTwa2

The Second-Hottest Man in my Mother's Basement
I click on this thread and suddenly I'm reading about World War II. What the shit people?
 
I'm beyond sick and tired of this war and the charade in Iraq.
Fucking idiots are still scheming about Iran.

The dollar is about to implode and these morons are carrying on like it's a-ok.

Stop the war. End the senseless killing.
Bring our children home.
NOW.

- R.
 

Facetious

Moderated
^ You know they don't read anything on this board, right?

As my late pappy used to ask . . . "who are they?" ;)


Initially I was thinking that we were simply going to fly a dozen or so sorties with C-130's loaded with ''daisy cutter'' pallets and/or maybe a dozen flybys with the AC-130 ''Spectre'' gunship and that would be the end of it, but apparently Bean-Laden wasn't so easy of a target as estimated . . . or at least that's what they tell us . . . . and here we are today . . .:dunno:
 
Without our involvement the West would've remained under German control.

Not a chance. It would have taken longer without our involvement, but the Soviets would have beaten Hitler straight up, and beaten him badly.

The one "x" factor is how far Germany's nuclear program might have gotten given that extra time. So in that sense it's a very good thing we helped accelerate an allied victory.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
Yeah it's rather telling that the first U.S. boots didn't touch down on Europe proper (Italy) until a full six months after Germany's crushing defeat at Stalingrad.

It's horrifying to imagine the massacre an invasion of France might have produced had the Soviets not been bleeding Hitler white on the Eastern front.
Thank you!

The Soviet contribution to Hitler's defeat is not under question. Nearly 25 million Soviets died because of the Germans.

However, to minimilize the US's effort in the ETO victory is plain stupid and ignorant. Without our involvement the West would've remained under German control.
Wrong.

Change of subject without addressing my point... surprising. Yeah, wars are pretty much fought without funding, you're right. $31 billion is a pretty insignificant number, I was silly to bring that up. Not to mention it took the UK more than 60 years to pay back the debt owed to the US on Lend-Lease, yeah that $31B didn't help a bit.
What point? I'm gonna recheck...
The money helped, I'm not denying that, but Hitler would've been defeated without you.
The British alone f India, the famed jewel in the crown sources of India, the famed jewel in the crown, to support them. You should stop shouting in such an arrogant manner about this, anybody who watches the simpsons knows we're gonna save your arses in world war 3. If you don't stop being so arrogant, we might change our minds :tongue:

I click on this thread and suddenly I'm reading about World War II. What the shit people?
It's another senseless war. All war is senseless.

Not a chance. It would have taken longer without our involvement, but the Soviets would have beaten Hitler straight up, and beaten him badly.

The one "x" factor is how far Germany's nuclear program might have gotten given that extra time. So in that sense it's a very good thing we helped accelerate an allied victory.
Thank you again.
 
from that piece

"Officials say"

"one U.S. official told me, "

"a senior officer said,"

"a senior officer said,"


Want to convince people of your bullshit? Then get some data, not unquoted sources and hearsay which is contradicted by official reports.




More like a fact-free zone then.




Sorry you think so. Fact is we're beating the tar off of them. Apparently you're disappointed your side is losing.



Vodka what part of my statement is wrong.
 

emceeemcee

Banned
Sorry you think so. Fact is we're beating the tar off of them. Apparently you're disappointed your side is losing.



Vodka what part of my statement is wrong.


OK nobody should ever listen to the Generals who actually run the war and who write presumably false reports and instead we should just listen to journalists who write about the conflict from the comfort of their offices in Washington and quote unnamed sources to support their claims.


:1orglaugh
 
Thank you!
...You should stop shouting in such an arrogant manner about this, anybody who watches the simpsons knows we're gonna save your arses in world war 3. If you don't stop being so arrogant, we might change our minds :tongue:
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Haha! Touché. I wish I could find that clip.

Moe: "Oho, an English boy, huh? You know, we saved your ass in World War II."
Hugh St. John Alastair Parkfield: "Yeah, well, we saved *your* arse in World War III."
 
OK nobody should ever listen to the Generals who actually run the war and who write presumably false reports and instead we should just listen to journalists who write about the conflict from the comfort of their offices in Washington and quote unnamed sources to support their claims.


:1orglaugh




Yeah and the brass have stated that the Tali are getting plastered. No more COIN ops thank God.:nanner:
 
The best way of getting the US out of the Middle East is to find an alternative source of energy to oil. Once we don't need their oil, we will pull out of there and let them do whatever they want to each other.

It would be nice if the government created some incentives for US businesses to find something that can replace the internal combustion engine. Notice I didn't say that it would be nice if the government was the one who was put to the job. All the government needs to do is give US businesses, scientists, and inventors some incentive, and get out of their way by easing up on all the bureaucratic rules and regulations. This is the surest way to cease our dependence on foreign oil and to get our young men out of that cesspool known as the Middle East.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
better than starting a war that makes sense...



The Soviets did lose roughly 25 million during WWII vodkaz...but they would have for sure would have been able to win without the west.

Sorry you think so. Fact is we're beating the tar off of them. Apparently you're disappointed your side is losing.



Vodka what part of my statement is wrong.
The West would not have remained under German control if america hadn't intervened; Nobody takes on the Russians in a land war and prevails. The Japanese only managed it because the war was primarily naval.

Haha! Touché. I wish I could find that clip.

Moe: "Oho, an English boy, huh? You know, we saved your ass in World War II."
Hugh St. John Alastair Parkfield: "Yeah, well, we saved *your* arse in World War III."
Well I'm both pleased and upset that you can't find it.
It would be the perfect clip for this, but if you found it and I didn't I'd feel foolish (more so than usual).
 
The West would not have remained under German control if america hadn't intervened; Nobody takes on the Russians in a land war and prevails. The Japanese only managed it because the war was primarily naval.


So the Brits and Canadians would've invaded Normandy all by themselves? Or the Soviets would've taken all of Germany?
Fat chance.


Without us, Europe would be worse off today.
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
So the Brits and Canadians would've invaded Normandy all by themselves? Or the Soviets would've taken all of Germany?
Fat chance.


Without us, Europe would be worse off today.

Soviets would've defeated Nazi Germany all by themselves.
europe without the economic competition of america might be better today, but being no economist I don't know, so, just as far as WW2 is concerned, yes, your point stands, Europe would be worse today without the us (in WW2).
 
The fact is without us Western Europe would've been under Soviet domination post 1945.
 

Skyraider22

The One and Only Big Daddy
The only thing I got out of this was I was 19 when this started I stop to think.It has been that long,and I say Yeah it sure has I turn 29 this year,Whoa ten years that really seems like yesterday.Sorry for highjacking the thread but that made me think about ten years ago and what I was doing anyway that is crazy 10 years man time really flies:hatsoff:
 

vodkazvictim

Why save the world, when you can rule it?
The fact is without us Western Europe would've been under Soviet domination post 1945.
:dunno: Can't really argue with that. Can only speculate as to how long it would be 'till the empire imploded if it spanned all Europe. Not to mention how the us would stand up to a united communist Europe :tongue:

I been thinking and....well....that can't be true.
Why not?
 
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