A Few Reasons to Love Germany

L3ggy

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Got a great Rock Band; Scorpions.
 

Vanilla Bear

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Who's the Betty who's in the John Thompson GGG films?

just known as Betty and not Bettie Ballhaus

Nadine Jansen yea Good cars, Beer and Rammstein
She isnt from Germany! She is from the DDR (GDR) :D

Two shot's at a world title, gotta give 'um respect for trying.
oh damn that is so ridiculous that you still celebrate this ugly game. that was luck nothing more.
you cant celebrate the luck for that long time
 

georges

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Staff member
Re: As an American Engineer ...

Oh hell I love the Corvette and many other american cars and of course cars from other nations, but no car is better than a German Mercedes-Benz or Porsche!
And the example Covette. Of course its a great car and not so expensive like other cars in that class, but it has just "muscles" and nothing more!
My car has "muscles" and a great luxury interior! And German cars are way more solid than other cars.


Real and natural women!

having a talk with some MB and BMW owners, they think that quality after 1999 when MB and Chrysler merged significantly decreased. I have been said that too by some US MB and BMW owners and the design went uglier as well. About Porsche they are very reliable but the Cayman is ugly, my favorite Porsches were the 930 Turbo, the 959 and 997gt2. Porsche have won most of the time at le mans thanks its 917, 956 and 962. The 962 was also built into a civilian version by Dauer making of it the fastest legal supercar before the Veyron. You didn't mention audi who in the 90's severely competited with MB and BMW and even beat them with the V8 4.2 QUATTRO and later with the A8 4.2 V8 AND A8 6.0 w12.
The vette z06 and the cadillac sts v offer more than a lot for the money and they are very well built. I have also seen a lot of Gemran interesting themselves to old muscle cars, luxury "land yachts" (term used to caracterize big luxury american sedans of the late 60's-mid 70's) as well as personal cars. American cars of the past are very durable, they have generally a very reliable big block engine, lot of torque at low idle rpm and they are often fully optioned.
 

Vanilla Bear

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Re: As an American Engineer ...

having a talk with some MB and BMW owners, they think that quality after 1999 when MB and Chrysler merged significantly decreased.
yes thats right. now guess why MB and chrysler break up the merge.
Mercedes-Benz is still the best in the world.
and AMG builds the best and the most reliable engines in the world. the perfect couple! Nobody can beat the AMG V12 biturbo. maybe Brabus but thats another story.

I have been said that too by some US MB and BMW owners and the design went uglier as well.
no thats not true. the S-Class and C-Class is hot as hell. Big, strong and beautiful.

About Porsche they are very reliable but the Cayman is ugly, my favorite Porsches were the 930 Turbo, the 959 and 997gt2. Porsche have won most of the time at le mans thanks its 917, 956 and 962. The 962 was also built into a civilian version by Dauer making of it the fastest legal supercar before the Veyron.
The Cayman isnt ugly. The Boxster is ugly. Its a girls-car.
The best "street" Porsche is the 964 and 993 Turbo 3.6.
the 997 gt2 is something special!

You didn't mention audi who in the 90's severely competited with MB and BMW and even beat them with the V8 4.2 QUATTRO and later with the A8 4.2 V8 AND A8 6.0 w12.
Yes youre right Audi is great. Better than BMW but still not as good as MB and AMG together.
the W12 is just not as good as the AMG engine. Just look at the enormous 1.000 Nm.

The vette z06 and the cadillac sts v offer more than a lot for the money and they are very well built. I have also seen a lot of Gemran interesting themselves to old muscle cars, luxury "land yachts" (term used to caracterize big luxury american sedans of the late 60's-mid 70's) as well as personal cars. American cars of the past are very durable, they have generally a very reliable big block engine, lot of torque at low idle rpm and they are often fully optioned.

The Z06 is a great car. no question....BUT. Like I said...
It has muscles and nothing more. I like, I love cars with muscles and cojones.
But I want the muscles plus the luxury and the reliability.
And American cars are not as luxurious and especially not as reliable as the German cars. thats fact.
But its also fact that a few years ago everything was better than its now.
Thanks to the EU and the fu*** asian car manufacturers....

btw american cars of the past arent as durable as it seems....its a lot of work to keep them alive.
but theyre way more durable that todays cars from America, thats right.

and the "land yachts" you mentioned....
they werent that luxurious! they where big and not much more.
the breaks suck, the steering sucks....
I guess the Americans can only build
a big car
or
a luxurious car
or
a fast car...
but not one car with all things together.
 

georges

Moderator
Staff member
Re: As an American Engineer ...

1)yes thats right. now guess why MB and chrysler break up the merge. Mercedes-Benz is still the best in the world.
and AMG builds the best and the most reliable engines in the world. the perfect couple! Nobody can beat the AMG V12 biturbo. maybe Brabus but thats another story.

2)no thats not true. the S-Class and C-Class is hot as hell. Big, strong and beautiful.

3)The Cayman isnt ugly. The Boxster is ugly. Its a girls-car.
The best "street" Porsche is the 964 and 993 Turbo 3.6.
the 997 gt2 is something special!

4)Yes youre right Audi is great. Better than BMW but still not as good as MB and AMG together.
the W12 is just not as good as the AMG engine. Just look at the enormous 1.000 Nm.

5)The Z06 is a great car. no question....BUT. Like I said...
It has muscles and nothing more. I like, I love cars with muscles and cojones.
But I want the muscles plus the luxury and the reliability.
And American cars are not as luxurious and especially not as reliable as the German cars. thats fact.
But its also fact that a few years ago everything was better than its now.
Thanks to the EU and the fu*** asian car manufacturers....

6)btw american cars of the past arent as durable as it seems....its a lot of work to keep them alive.
but theyre way more durable that todays cars from America, thats right.

7)and the "land yachts" you mentioned....
they werent that luxurious! they where big and not much more.
the breaks suck, the steering sucks....
I guess the Americans can only build
a big car
or
a luxurious car
or
a fast car...
but not one car with all things together.

1) Check the of audi, lexus and cadillac beore claiming MB is the best of the world, the cadillac is a real bargain as compared to the mercedes and the audi
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/cadillac/dts/2008
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/audi/a8/2008
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/lexus/ls/2008
http://www.jdpower.com/autos/mercedes/s-class/2008
The cadillac offers a very good level of luxury with luxury 3 trim level on the DTS it costs the half of the price of the audi a8l 4.2 and of the mercedes class s 550
2) mercedes designs went ugly after 2000 and for me, their pre 2000's were
the best even better than today ones.
3) many prefer a 911 to a cayman and that is not without reason
4) We compare stock to stock, AMG is a tuner so it can't be taken in consideration. Please compare a bone stock mercedes against a bone stock audi, the audi being equal to the mercedes. The W12 is a compact engine with lots of torque.
5) The ZO6 offers no less luxury than the Porsche 911, leather seats, a/c, cruise control, heads up display. The Z06 is a very reliable car, you have obviously never heard of how reliable is the small block 350ci (5.7 litre) on which based the 7 litre engine of the vette. The 7 litre engine of the vette was widely tested at Le Mans during the end of the 90's and the early 00's, it is not without reasons the vette won many times the Mans in its class. American cars being not as luxurious as German cars is not true and it is not a fact and about reliability I wouldn't speak about their reliability when you
or a member of your family have never owned one. My uncle who lives in Lausanne drives daily a 1969 Charger r/t, he never had probs and the car is very powerful and reliable.Another example, another of my uncle who lives in Texas owns a 1970 Cadillac Eldorado which has 110000 miles which is fully optionned: power seats, power windows, rear window defroster, electric remote mirror, courtesy lights, seat belt warning, fast power steering and many other options. The car has never let him down, it has a big and very reliable engine a 500ci engine (8.2 litre) which is powerful and with lots of torque. Handling is excellent.
During the 30's 40's, American prestige manufacturers like Marmon, Cadillac, Duesenberg, Stutz, Cord and Auburn produced some of the most lxurious and prestigious automobiles that surpassed Mercedes and Horch in terms of quality and performance. The 50's have seen the apparition of the most luxurious automobiles like the Imperial Crown Southampton Le Baron, Lincoln Continental MarkII and Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz, those cars beat the first generation of class S presented by Mercedes in 1954 in term of luxury equipement, styling and driving performance.
6) americans cars of the past are very durable, a good old big block v8 will outlast any modern engine built today, I know many people in the
USA and in Switzerland who use + 30 years old American cars as their daily drivers and they have no problems.
7) The land yachts not luxury????:1orglaugh You have no real knowledge of what is a land yacht when it comes to American cars. A land yacht to be precise is either a Cadillac Fleetwood, a Lincoln Towncar or an Imperial Crown Le Baron that is fully optionned and that can easily take the compary with many modern luxury cars. The brakes on the cars were extremely powerful and the handling was very good despite that at the time these cars used the goodyear polyglass bias tire technology.Now, you can put a modern set of radial tires and you will see the difference.
 

Vanilla Bear

Bears For Life
Re: As an American Engineer ...

3) many prefer a 911 to a cayman and that is not without reason
4) We compare stock to stock, AMG is a tuner so it can't be taken in consideration. Please compare a bone stock mercedes against a bone stock audi, the audi being equal to the mercedes. The W12 is a compact engine with lots of torque.

7) The land yachts not luxury????:1orglaugh You have no real knowledge of what is a land yacht when it comes to American cars. A land yacht to be precise is either a Cadillac Fleetwood, a Lincoln Towncar or an Imperial Crown Le Baron that is fully optionned and that can easily take the compary with many modern luxury cars. The brakes on the cars were extremely powerful and the handling was very good despite that at the time these cars used the goodyear polyglass bias tire technology.Now, you can put a modern set of radial tires and you will see the difference.
Im sorry georges youre so damn wrong in so many points....Id better stop discussing this with you...because you dont know so much about cars as me....
Especially about German cars...
Many of your points sound like you only know them from TV or something.
And btw you cant tell me AMG is just a tuner...nor can you tell me that anyone builds better or equal engines...

So Im sorry, but Im tired of discussing this...you have definately no real facts...
and you cant tell me anything about carsthat I dont know.
Maybe you just got my points wrong, I dont care.
No offense meant but this makes no sense.

And you say that I have no real knowledge :rofl: :1orglaugh
funny frenchman
 
Regarding the Corvette: It's one of those cars that should really silence the room in awe of that fact that it performs spectacularly at a price point impossible for any Euro car. Instead, it always gets worked over and slammed. However, no matter where a car magazine is published, no matter what the outcome (usually with a snide review putting it in last), it competes with, and often beats supercars costing 2,3,4 times as much. :thumbsup:

My biggest problem with the Corvette is that I hate the looks of the last couple of generations it's gone though. They look like glorified Mazdas now. Even if they are cheaper than other things for the price they are I would rather spend a lot less for a normal car or I would just go with a Porsche.
 
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