2013/2014 NCAA Football Thread

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Talk about a body that's racing toward irrelevance. I foresee a day when the member institutions of what now consists the BCS extend their middle finger collectively to the rest of the college football world, and go off on their own. Yes, it's pretty much what's going on right now, but I think the day is coming when the Big Ten, Pac 12 Big 12, SEC and ACC openly tell the world what we've known all along. They're going to do whatever the fuck they want to do, and they don't give a fuck what happens to the rest of college football.
They sort'a tried that back in the late 70's, early 80's, but interest petered out.
 
It was indeed "sorta" what I'm talking about, but at the time, there wasn't anywhere near as much money in college football as there is now. Plus, the push to expand the "playoff" beyond four teams scares the heck out of the conferences I mentioned, because the last thing they want is to have to share the wealth with the mid major and (for lack of a better word,) minor conferences, like they do with March Madness. (Each team that makes it to the NCAA Basketball tournament gets a cut of the total tournament revenue, including ticket receipts, concessions AND television,) the amount of which is determined by how far that team goes in the tournament. (That's how schools like Gonzaga and Butler have been able to build contending teams year in and year out.) The major schools DO NOT in any way, shape or form want to share the football wealth, which is MUCH larger than any other sport. Individual schools like Alabama or Oregon are happy to pay Idaho St. or Arkansas St. to come play a game in their house early in the season for six or seven figures, but their conferences do NOT want to share the real huge money with the Idaho States and Arkansas States.

I've been accused on this board of ragging on the "Playoff" before it's even started, but it's nothing but a transparent modification of the monopoly that already exists. And a pathetic one at that. Hell, why did they make such a big deal over the "selection committee?" Spoiler alert, the four team field will NEVER include a team from a conference other than the Pac 12, Big Ten, Big 12 SEC or ACC. Furthermore, if you talk to AD's around those conferences, you sense a real resentment on their part that the Boise States are clamoring to get a seat at the national title table. (Their feeling is, "It was cute and nice TV drama that you beat big, bad Oklahoma in a game that really meant nothing to the Sooners, but here's your payoff, now go away." (By design, the only thing Oklahoma could've come away from that game with was the BCS bowl payoff. If they won, they were supposed to, if BSU was close or won, well, it makes for good TV at your expense. And more importantly, it shuts Boise St. up. Only they didn't figure on the tenacity of BSU to get a seat at the table, and by breaking away from the rest of college football entirely, they finally put an end to that charade. Or so a lot of them believe.
 
It was indeed "sorta" what I'm talking about, but at the time, there wasn't anywhere near as much money in college football as there is now. Plus, the push to expand the "playoff" beyond four teams scares the heck out of the conferences I mentioned, because the last thing they want is to have to share the wealth with the mid major and (for lack of a better word,) minor conferences, like they do with March Madness. (Each team that makes it to the NCAA Basketball tournament gets a cut of the total tournament revenue, including ticket receipts, concessions AND television,) the amount of which is determined by how far that team goes in the tournament. (That's how schools like Gonzaga and Butler have been able to build contending teams year in and year out.) The major schools DO NOT in any way, shape or form want to share the football wealth, which is MUCH larger than any other sport. Individual schools like Alabama or Oregon are happy to pay Idaho St. or Arkansas St. to come play a game in their house early in the season for six or seven figures, but their conferences do NOT want to share the real huge money with the Idaho States and Arkansas States.

I've been accused on this board of ragging on the "Playoff" before it's even started, but it's nothing but a transparent modification of the monopoly that already exists. And a pathetic one at that. Hell, why did they make such a big deal over the "selection committee?" Spoiler alert, the four team field will NEVER include a team from a conference other than the Pac 12, Big Ten, Big 12 SEC or ACC. Furthermore, if you talk to AD's around those conferences, you sense a real resentment on their part that the Boise States are clamoring to get a seat at the national title table. (Their feeling is, "It was cute and nice TV drama that you beat big, bad Oklahoma in a game that really meant nothing to the Sooners, but here's your payoff, now go away." (By design, the only thing Oklahoma could've come away from that game with was the BCS bowl payoff. If they won, they were supposed to, if BSU was close or won, well, it makes for good TV at your expense. And more importantly, it shuts Boise St. up. Only they didn't figure on the tenacity of BSU to get a seat at the table, and by breaking away from the rest of college football entirely, they finally put an end to that charade. Or so a lot of them believe.
I have to disagree. Going beyond 4 teams does not scare Mike Slive. The SEC commissioner would love that. The chance to get 2 or more SEC teams in the big dance is something he dreams of.

Also, I don't think it scares anyone else. Right now, Clemson has no chance of going to the big game, but if we had the 4 team system in place today, they would actually have a slim chance.

My preference is 6 teams, maybe 8, but absolutely NO MORE than that! Also, a selction committee was fucking stupid. I think the BCS poll system should have been left in place and after the last BCS poll is released, take the top 4 (hopefully 6 or 8 in the future) and there's your playoff field.

As for teams like Idaho St. or Arkansas St. playing home games against Bama or whoever, they never get a 7 figure payday. I thing the going rate is somewhere between $300,000 and $500,000.

As for teams not from the Pac 12, Big Ten, Big 12 SEC or ACC not getting a chance, I disagree on that. I think it depends on where they end up ranked at the end of the season. Remember BYU in 1984. They won the National Championship. Most certainly, they did not deserve it as most, if not all the top 10 at the end of the year would've stomped their ass, but they went undefeated at the time and that's where the voters put them.
 
1984 is the last time a team from other than the big 5 conferences has or will win a national title, BY DESIGN. And you prove my point when you say an expansion of playoff spots means the SEC gets more berths. DUH. It surely wouldn't mean more access for Conference USA or the Mountain West. You say teams from other than the big five conferences are limited only by their final ratings from playing for a title, but that's bogus. The BCS ranking system is designed to exclude them. A few years ago, we were two second halves away from a perfect storm for the BCS. Had Alabama held on to beat Cam Newton and Auburn, and Boise St. held on and beaten Nevada, (neither of which happened.) It would've created a situation where Alabama and Boise St. were the only two undefeated teams in the country, and worse than that, from the standpoint of the BCS and its apologists, since BSU had beaten an SEC team (Georgia,) in the first game of the season, their strength of schedule met the requirement for a non BCS team to qualify for the BCS title game. I guar-an-damned tee you the computer would've magically "pushed" Oregon, (The Pac 12 champion, with one loss,) into the title game.

That said, I like your idea of using the top (at the very least) 8 teams in the BCS in a playoff scenario, and do away with the bowls altogether, wastes of time, money and intelligence they are. However, anyone who thinks major college football exists beyond the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12 and the SEC is naive. My suggestion for those teams would be to create another division 1 AA like they did before, so the teams from the mid major and minor FBS schools can play for something other than killing in their conference, and then getting paired against a 6-5 team from one of the majors in the Stink Ass Tequilla Bowl.
 
1984 is the last time a team from other than the big 5 conferences has or will win a national title, BY DESIGN. And you prove my point when you say an expansion of playoff spots means the SEC gets more berths. DUH. It surely wouldn't mean more access for Conference USA or the Mountain West. You say teams from other than the big five conferences are limited only by their final ratings from playing for a title, but that's bogus. The BCS ranking system is designed to exclude them. A few years ago, we were two second halves away from a perfect storm for the BCS. Had Alabama held on to beat Cam Newton and Auburn, and Boise St. held on and beaten Nevada, (neither of which happened.) It would've created a situation where Alabama and Boise St. were the only two undefeated teams in the country, and worse than that, from the standpoint of the BCS and its apologists, since BSU had beaten an SEC team (Georgia,) in the first game of the season, their strength of schedule met the requirement for a non BCS team to qualify for the BCS title game. I guar-an-damned tee you the computer would've magically "pushed" Oregon, (The Pac 12 champion, with one loss,) into the title game.

That said, I like your idea of using the top (at the very least) 8 teams in the BCS in a playoff scenario, and do away with the bowls altogether, wastes of time, money and intelligence they are. However, anyone who thinks major college football exists beyond the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12 and the SEC is naive. My suggestion for those teams would be to create another division 1 AA like they did before, so the teams from the mid major and minor FBS schools can play for something other than killing in their conference, and then getting paired against a 6-5 team from one of the majors in the Stink Ass Tequilla Bowl.
Actually, I'd say you missed my point. If we had a 8 team playoff, it would certainly be possible for a team like Boise State to get into a playoff. However, winning the National Championship is another story.

Also, I never said do away with the Bowls. Most of the Bowls are irrelevant to the final rankings, but that has never been the point. The Bowls are promoted as a reward for the players, but that too is a load of crap. For the schools it's all about money, and for the fans, it's mostly about one last party to end the season.

I've heard stories about teams winning the national championship, and all that bowl money, but end up actually losing money on the whole. Of course, they make up for it in the long run with merchandising.

Anyhow, college football is an ever-evolving beast and it will be interesting to see how it changes when the O'Bannon lawsuit finally castrates the NCAA.
 

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Saban just received the Dennis Leary 'Shut The FUCK UP!' award for complaining about his home team fans this week. Talk about diarrhea of the mouth.
 
Saban just received the Dennis Leary 'Shut The FUCK UP!' award for complaining about his home team fans this week. Talk about diarrhea of the mouth.

Yeah, I read that, and what’s worse, the University issued a press release supporting Saban’s dumbass comment.

Why in the hell should they even care! It’s not like they have to give a refund or a discount when someone leaves early.

Personally, I never leave early. Whenever I go to a game, I tell anyone riding with me to be prepared to stay for the entire game. If I’m gonna buy tickets and drive 123 miles, we ain’t leavin’ till that clock reads double zero! I don’t care if we’re up 90 to nuthin’, I’m staying!

Look at it this way, the longer you stay, the drunker those college girls are gonna be when you walk out of that stadium! And, I’ve got some great stories about some of those walks back to the truck!
 
Clemson didn't fall apart, they were overrated. Evidence: Florida State crushed them last year as well.

And like I said, FSU's QB is not the most accurate, he's ranked 3rd ATM.

i dont give a rats ass if hes ranked 10. take it from me hes the best. and i still say they beat hell out of a pretty good clemson team. for some reason i feel auburn and oregon st planning a upset. please NOT ohio st in the NC game. they dont have a snowballs chance in hell.
 

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Yeah, I read that, and what’s worse, the University issued a press release supporting Saban’s dumbass comment.

Why in the hell should they even care! It’s not like they have to give a refund or a discount when someone leaves early.

Of course they did. Stupidity follows stupidity! :facepalm:
 
I think Bama will win it again.
 
i dont give a rats ass if hes ranked 10. take it from me hes the best. and i still say they beat hell out of a pretty good clemson team. for some reason i feel auburn and oregon st planning a upset. please NOT ohio st in the NC game. they dont have a snowballs chance in hell.
No, right now, Sean Mannion is clearly the #1 passer. After that, it's an argument between Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel, Bryce Petty or that guy you have a man-crush on, Jameis Winston.


I think Bama will win it again.
I’m hoping they don’t. After all their rule breaking and the NCAA letting them get away with it, they deserve a letdown. LSU is next, but Les Miles is just an idiot. Maybe he can pull off a miracle, but I would never bet on it.


Another Saturday come and gone, and no big shake-ups.

Bama, Oregon, FSU and Ohio State all cruised to easy wins.

Missouri: If no one believed in the curse, they probably do now. Up 17-0 in the 4th quarter, South Carolina scores 17 unanswered to go into overtime where Missouri chokes and misses an easy field goal in the second OT. I figured Missouri to win this one and their next 3 before taking a beatdown from the Aggies.

Stanford: In looking at the score, you could say the Cardinals finally found a way to stop Sean Mannion. He had a very respectable 271 yards passing, and that’s way below his average, but the real surprise was that he was 41/57 (awesome). Another surprise was Stanford could only manage 20 points against the Beaver defense. I wish I’d watched that game, but I will definitely be watching their next game with Oregon on November 7.

Baylor: An easy win and with Miami barely surviving against a horrible Wake Forest team, Baylor moved up in the rankings, but holding that doesn’t look good. Their next 3 games are against ranked opponents! Honestly, I'd like to see them win out. I don't think it's gonna happen, but if it does, I believe it would be enough to vault them over Ohio State in the BCS poll.
 
A mixed weekend for me.
Took a small flyer on Duke, which was good :)
But also convinced myself Illinois would at least cover against Michigan State. Instead they ran for cover, 42 to 3 :facepalm:
I have now taken a vow (and should have years ago) to never bet the Illini again. EVER.

No, right now, Sean Mannion is clearly the #1 passer.

Jinx alert: I'm expecting Oregon State to beat USC on Friday, perhaps fairly convincingly.
 

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I’m hoping they don’t. After all their rule breaking and the NCAA letting them get away with it, they deserve a letdown. LSU is next, but Les Miles is just an idiot. Maybe he can pull off a miracle, but I would never bet on it.

LSU has problems with big games and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they laid another egg in a couple of weekends against UA. Your right as well saying Les Miles is an idiot.
 
No, right now, Sean Mannion is clearly the #1 passer. After that, it's an argument between Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel, Bryce Petty or that guy you have a man-crush on, Jameis Winston.


you will see who has the man crush. stats dont tell me nothing. but in the end you will see who is tossing td in the NC game.
 
No, right now, Sean Mannion is clearly the #1 passer. After that, it's an argument between Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel, Bryce Petty or that guy you have a man-crush on, Jameis Winston.

you will see who has the man crush. stats dont tell me nothing. but in the end you will see who is tossing td in the NC game.

And that's your point? How weak. That doesn't prove anything.

I remember a quarterback named Jay Barker at Alabama. Do you? I remember people celebrating him winning the 1992 National Championship by blowing out Miami in the Sugar Bowl. How'd he do it, 4-for-13 for 18 yards. Fucking pathetic.

My point is, winning a National Championship is a team effort. Sean Mannion, Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel and Bryce Petty are great QB's, but the team as whole may not match up against another team. This is especially true of Mannion and Manziel. They lead powerhouse offenses, but their defenses are total shit.

As a starting QB, Jay Barker led the Tide to a 35-2-1 record, but in reality, he didn't lead a damn thing. During his tenure, Bama had one of the best stables of running backs and the greatest defenses in the history of college football. That's how the Bama squad won the 92 NC, running the ball and defense. Barker was just absolute shit and didn't deserve that Heisman nomination in 93.


And, about the Heisman. In my opinion, it has become a pointless award. The Heisman has become an award about the best player on a team with the least losses. It used to be about the best player. Paul Hornung won it in 1956. He was clearly the best player in college football, but his team went 2-8, because the rest of the team sucked.
 
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I can't believe that no one is talking about the amazing game Notre Dame had against Air Force. Just outstanding.

Okay, not so much. But at least they won.

It's damn hard watching that team this year.
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I'm getting so spoiled on Oregon football. They go into every halftime with 30+ pts on the board when most teams would like to average that a game.

I can't even match their offensive production on the xbox 360.
 
I just heard Miami is a 21 point underdog to Florida St. If Miami wins, will they leapfrog Oregon to #2? He asked, tongue in cheek....

They struggled against North Carolina 2-5 and they struggled against Wake Forest 4-4, so, just a 21 point underdog was being extremely generous. This is gonna be a train wreck.
 
And that's your point? How weak. That doesn't prove anything.

I remember a quarterback named Jay Barker at Alabama. Do you? I remember people celebrating him winning the 1992 National Championship by blowing out Miami in the Sugar Bowl. How'd he do it, 4-for-13 for 18 yards. Fucking pathetic.

My point is, winning a National Championship is a team effort. Sean Mannion, Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel and Bryce Petty are great QB's, but the team as whole may not match up against another team. This is especially true of Mannion and Manziel. They lead powerhouse offenses, but their defenses are total shit.

ok let me put that a different way...just for you. wait a few months and see which qb the nfl goes after.................
 
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