SgtMarine
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Pitcher, HA!
2010/2011 NCAA Football Thread
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Pitcher, HA!
The greatest pitcher in the world can't win if his team doesn't score runs or if his defense sucks. Just sayin'.
jasonk282
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But no QB can win if his WR's drop passes. They are called team sports for a reason. It takes a TEAM to win.
Bodie54. the game may suck but its the week of practices before the game where you can make or break your draft postion as scouts get to watch you practice for a week without any hindrance and it's not controlled like the pro days on campus. Trust me the NFL loves the senior bowl for evaluation purposes
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Skyraider22
The One and Only Big Daddy
Simple That is Tim Tebow that is why he stayed in shool he wanted to do all those things and e still wants to prove to the NFL he can play QB this is another chance for him to show his skills can you remember the last time Tebow threw as many passes as he did than in the Sugar Bowl:dunno:I'm just saying
Wow did anyone see the beginning of the Jets/Bengals games?
When they do the quick intros the first time the offense and defense takes the field and say what school they are from, of courts Nick Mangold said “The Ohio State University”,
But when Braylon Edwards did it, he said:
“Braylon Edwards: Lloyd Carr’s Michigan.”
It sure sounded like a shot on Rich Rod to me.
When they do the quick intros the first time the offense and defense takes the field and say what school they are from, of courts Nick Mangold said “The Ohio State University”,
But when Braylon Edwards did it, he said:
“Braylon Edwards: Lloyd Carr’s Michigan.”
It sure sounded like a shot on Rich Rod to me.
jasonk282
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Just another chance to show his skills. Don't NFL coaches coach the teams?
Not that what ahppens at the senior bowl matters on draft day at all.
OK that's a reasonable explanation. Thanks.
My only follow up question would be, if you're already assured a high (or relatively high) draft position, why play in it? You might actually drop a few notches, along with risking injury prior to the draft.
Yeah as far as Tebow and his desire to milk every millimeter out of the college experience that makes sense.
Hard for me to imagine that one more collegiate level game is going to change that perception :dunno:
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I don't know anything about college football? Why is that, exactly? Because I'm not putting an asterisk next to Alabama's title? Because I'm giving credit to the victor instead of throwing out excuse after excuse for the loser? Exactly why don't I know anything about college football? I'd really like to know why you think that. Just because I'm not a rabid face-painting trendfollower like the rest of the crowd, doesn't mean that I don't know anything about sports.
But, you're right - it would've been a different game if Colt McCoy wasn't injured. Or, if it was raining really hard. Or if it was 10 degrees outside. Or, if they played on a turf field. Or, if they played at 11 o'clock in the morning when the sun was still out. Or, if Mack Brown's brother died the day before. Or, if Greg McElroy got injured too. Oh wait..he did.
Every single athletic contest is full of a million "what ifs", which is exactly why your job is to prepare for as many of those "what ifs" as possible.
What if it snows? Better bring some long sleeves.
What if the field is slippery? Better bring some extra cleats.
What if it's really windy? Better take some practice kicks to judge the curve of the ball.
What if our star player gets hurt? Better have a back-up plan.
Obviously, nobody thought that Colt McCoy would be getting injured during the National Championship (especially that early), but their back-up quarterback practices every single day in preperation for such an event. I'm not saying that he was, at that exact moment, just as good as Colt McCoy, but after he lost his initial jitters, he played extremely well. And, as I said, he played just as, if not better than, Colt McCoy would've. But, there's that word again; "would've". Would've, should've, could've.
"Texas would've won IF (insert one of many excuses here)..."
"Texas should've won, BUT (insert one of many excuses here)..."
"Texas could've won IF (insert one of many excuses here)..."
Inaccurate hypotheticals? Every single "what if" is a hypothetical, because it never really happened, which is exactly why it's a "what if" and not a "remember when".
And, what is your definition of "someone", when you're talking about getting injured and having a replacement come in and "win the game"? Are you just referring to quarterbacks? Because, correct me if I'm wrong (you know, because I don't know anything about college football), but I'm pretty sure that there are 11 players on the field for each team. But, can all of them "win the game", as you say? Or, does that just apply to people who can score touchdowns (AKA - quarterback, running back, wide receiver, tight end)? Anyway...
Terry Bradshaw left Super Bowl X with a concussion and the Pittsburgh Steelers still won. Lynn Swann was injured in the 3rd quarter of Super Bowl XIV and the Steelers still won. And, Johnny Unitas was injured during the second quarter of Super Bowl V and the Colts still won the game. But, does that last one not count, because the game was won on a field goal, which none of the quarterbacks on the roster had anything to do with, even Unitas' replacement? I mean, it's a miracle that they managed to score points without a quarterback on the field, let alone their star quarterback. Crazy, I know. I can hardly believe it myself.
SIGH...he IS just one guy. Put Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions and then see how good he does. Without Marvin Harrison, Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark (etc), Peyton Manning wouldn't be "Peyton Manning". Without Peyton Manning, the Colts wouldn't be "the Colts'.
Why is so hard for people to understand that a football team has 11 players on the field and not just 1? Every player has a job to do, whether they are a spotlight celebrity or not.
Chef. Might you give just a little bit of credit to that shitty of shit defenses that Pittsburgh had. Something I think was called THE STEEL CURTAIN :dunno: Maybe that was a sham defense too and the Steelers simply outscored everybody :dunno: I'm too lazy to travel back into antiquity and find out.
I'm not going to bother to pick your reply apart and respond to it. I would like it to sit there alone for all to laugh at. So many will laugh at it too.
It's funny that you go back into the stone age of the NFL for your big smoking gun evidence :rofl: I know you've argued about how great the NFL is and all the great innovations back in the leather helmet days. But the NFL is a billion dollar business with teams able to sign players and pay them millions to do only 1 thing (big fat run stoppers, for example). It's such a specialized, micro-managed sport that the "fun" is basically squeezed out of the sport. It is generally recognized that the Quarterback position is the most important position in the game of football--at the college and pro level. Maybe if you keep watching you'll pick that up someday?
Nice response Chef! :thumbsup:
I'm not going to bother to pick your reply apart and respond to it. I would like it to sit there alone for all to laugh at. So many will laugh at it too.
It's funny that you go back into the stone age of the NFL for your big smoking gun evidence :rofl: I know you've argued about how great the NFL is and all the great innovations back in the leather helmet days. But the NFL is a billion dollar business with teams able to sign players and pay them millions to do only 1 thing (big fat run stoppers, for example). It's such a specialized, micro-managed sport that the "fun" is basically squeezed out of the sport. It is generally recognized that the Quarterback position is the most important position in the game of football--at the college and pro level. Maybe if you keep watching you'll pick that up someday?
Nice response Chef! :thumbsup:
I totally get what you're saying.
You're saying there's really no difference between Colt McCoy and Garrett Gilbert, because it's the players that make the QB. So, it doesn't really matter that Gibert had little to no experience and probably never practiced with the 1st team offense, because at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.... when you have great players Texas had.
All this time we've hearing about how great Texas was, and how they're going to blowout Alabama because of the "great talent" around Colt McCoy. I mean, look at their running backs..... studs! And the list goes on when you talk about all the great WRs they have. It's almost not fair.
Wow, you really know football! :thumbsup:
ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
Wait, wait, wait...so, with Pittsburgh it was a team effort, but with Texas it was solely the Colt McCoy show? Surely, you can't be fucking serious. I wasn't aware that the Texas Longhorns played entire football games without a defense. You are just one of many people who refuse to acknowledge that one player a football does not make.
But, I'll humor your argument about Pittsburgh having a good defense, which, in your opinion, meant more to the team than their Hall Of Fame quarterback and then I'll discredit your point of view by showing you the following...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/teams/texas-longhorns/
There are what, over 200+ teams in NCAA Div. 1 football, correct? I mean, I don't know anything about college football, so I just want to make sure that I'm getting that accurate. Texas, out of 200+ teams, had the THIRD BEST DEFENSE in the country. And, they ranked 22nd (top 10% in the country) when it came to points allowed. But, no, that had no bearing on Texas' success at all. It was Colt McCoy and Colt McCoy alone.
Seriously, you act as if Colt McCoy is the deciding factor for Texas Longhorn's football and their ability to win games, especially championships. You made a comment earlier about Colt McCoy and how long he had played quarterback for Texas...
You say that as if Colt McCoy is the reason that Texas is a successful football team. You also act as if Colt McCoy, if he had not been injured, would've led the Longhorns to victory over Alabama. But, let's see. Just how long has he been the quarterback for Texas? Hmm, it says here that he's been the starting quarterback for Texas for the past 4 years. So, that must mean that Texas has 4 National Championships within that time, Colt McCoy being so great and all. But, wait...what's this? They...they don't have ANY? THAT CAN'T BE!!!
FYI - I am not saying that Colt McCoy wasn't an important piece of the puzzle for Texas. He is a very good quarterback and definitely helped the Longhorns maintain their toughness. What I am saying is that Colt McCoy isn't the one and only reason why the Texas Longhorns are good. Their whole team is good, which is why they are consistently in the running for a National Championship. They actually won a National Championship without Colt McCoy (when Vince Young was there). Or, does that not count? You know, being so looooong ago and everything? I mean, it was a whole 5 years ago.
That's what I would say if I lost an argument too.
So, you're putting a timeline on the answers I'm allowed to give to your question? How many more limitations are you going to give me when I answer your questions? What's the time limit? 5 years ago? 10 years ago? Did it have to happen within this decade for you to acknowledge that it actually happened?
You can try and laugh at my responses all you want, but everybody reading this knows I'm right. They might not admit it, but they know it. Colt McCoy is a very good quarterback and I will never take that away from him. But, the Texas Longhorns football team is still an excellent football team without him. Using his injury as an excuse for being the only reason that they lost is sad. There are plenty of reasons why they lost, not just one. They got out played, out hustled, out coached and out scored.
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Of course there's a difference. To claim that Colt McCoy and Garrett Gilbert are exactly the same would be ignorant. That's like trying to say that Joe Montana could be replaced by Tim Couch, with no change at all in the offense. What I'm saying is that Colt McCoy being in the game wouldn't have meant a Texas victory. People act as if his injury is the only reason that they lost. And, to me, that's a sad excuse. Colt McCoy's presense wouldn't have meant victory for the Longhorns. Could it have? Yes, absolutely. But, that's just a "what if" that nobody will ever know the answer to.
And, back-up quarterbacks practice every single day with the 1st team offense. It's called preperation and every team does it. Back-up quarterbacks prepare, day in and day out, to replace the starter if that situation arise. It's not like they just pulled some Joe Schmo off of the street to replace Colt McCoy; they replaced him with their back-up quarterback.
these coaches (while not all completely innocent) build a program that can be tarnished by the actions of a couple of punks. The system sucks and it makes me wonder how much longer some of the better ones stay in the game. Bush and McKnight ( I think that is his name) break the rules and might get a slap on the wrist. The rest of the team has to be punished. The coach can't babysit these kids 24/7
With all sarcasm aside, I agree. Who knows what could have happened with Colt in that game. I'm perfectly fine with Alabama as the national champs, because it's what I expected.
But about 4 min into the game, and Texas jumping off to the great start(with Colt), I honestly thought Texas could win the game. But without Colt, Texas was forced to run the ball, and that's not Texas football. Because of that, Alabama was able to get back into that game. Imagine Greg McElroy trying to erase a 14 point deficit, and judging by the way he was playing, I doubt he could do that.
It's just hard for me to take the game seriously with Colt not in the game. He's their everything, kind of like Payton with Colts.
If Payton Manning gets injured 4 mins into the Super Bowl, and the Bears win.... I have a hard time considering the Bears as the legit Super Bowl champs.
alexpnz
Lord Dipstick
The passing of the coaching torch at USC? :1orglaugh
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ChefChiTown
The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I'm a lifelong Bears fan, and even I'd have a hard time accepting the Bears as legit Super Bowl champs in that situation. But, more so because REX GROSSMAN was our quarterback, not because of Peyton Manning being out. :1orglaugh
But, yes...I understand why people view Alabama's victory as somewhat skewed. "What ifs" always loom in the back of people's minds and it's hard to accept reality when you don't want to. I just find it really annoying when people act as if one player is the whole team and deny the fact that the whole team has to operate as a unit in order to be successful. LeBron James is one of the best players in the NBA, but the Cavs have won games without him in the lineup. Walter Payton, IMO, is the best running back of all time, but the Bears still won games without him in the lineup. Greg Maddux is one of the best pitchers of all time, etc, etc, etc...
It's also annoying when people act as if they know everything about sports, but can't even comprehend a simple concept like teamwork. Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of all time. Michael Jordan was the best player on the Bulls when they won all of those championships. But, Michael Jordan wasn't the only reason why the Bulls were good. Jordan had to have a good supporting cast in order to win championships and, without the 4 other players that were on the court with him, the Bulls wouldn't have won ANY of those championships. Don't believe me? How many titles did the Wizards win with Michael Jordan on their roster? :dunno:
And, yes...you can say that the Bulls wouldn't have won any of those championships without Michael Jordan, but that's just another illustration of how important teamwork is. Michael Jordan was just one part of the whole unit.
Colt McCoy is a good quarterback and I'll never take that away from him. But, without an offensive line that provides their quarterback with time to throw the ball, a quarterback isn't going to be successful. Without wide receivers that can run good routes, beat the defender, get open and catch the ball when it's thrown to them, a quarterback isn't going to be successful. Without a good, complimenting running game to relieve some of the pressure and keep heat on the defense, a quarterback isn't going to be successful. Without good coaching, productive offensive schemes or positive playcalling, a quarterback isn't going to be successful. Colt McCoy is not an exception to the rule and I think that a lot of people are forgetting that in here.
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Chef. I never said that Colt McCoy should've led Texas to 4 NCs. I just kinda give the benefit to a Senior starter over a Freshman mop up player in the biggest game of the year. I guess you don't. You should know that I am a USC HOMER and care about USC Football over Texas and all other programs. I won't lose any sleep if Texas never wins another game again.
I can't be bothered to go through your bullshit and argue for common knowledge positions. I guess I have clowned you in many a thread on many a topic in the FreeOnes universe and you've chosen THIS POSITION to make your stand :dunno: Well, I guess you would've made a great General for Napolean at Waterloo :dunno: How you would compare The Steel Curtain to the 2009-2010 Longhorn Defense would be fun reading for some people. Am I supposed to actually agree that football is a team sport!? Seriously? Okay Chef. Ya got me on that one genius. You pulled apart my entire way of thinking with that one! Yes, football is a team sport! You won! I quit! No mas!
I can't be bothered to go through your bullshit and argue for common knowledge positions. I guess I have clowned you in many a thread on many a topic in the FreeOnes universe and you've chosen THIS POSITION to make your stand :dunno: Well, I guess you would've made a great General for Napolean at Waterloo :dunno: How you would compare The Steel Curtain to the 2009-2010 Longhorn Defense would be fun reading for some people. Am I supposed to actually agree that football is a team sport!? Seriously? Okay Chef. Ya got me on that one genius. You pulled apart my entire way of thinking with that one! Yes, football is a team sport! You won! I quit! No mas!
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