2010/2011 NCAA Football Thread

[YumiYumi_1988]

ok ok i got it figured out...tcu and arkansas in the shut smoknns mouth bowl..if they beat arkansas...i will buy a tcu shirt....if not...i get a handjob from the lady of my choice:elaugh::wiggle: :dont delay..this offer wont last long

That'd be a hell of a game. I think if Arkansas were to play Auburn and Alabama again in a neutral site with the way they are playing right now, I would pick Arkansas to win. And I've said all along TCU is one of the most complete teams in the country.

 

[Connor Macleod]

2 - It's hard to believe Auburn has never won a title. I didn't realize that. They've always been a quality program. In fact since I've been watching college football, Auburn has been almost as successful as Alabama, save for the 1 national championship.

I learned something new a few weeks ago. The NCAA does not crown a national champion in football. Other organizations do this and the NCAA just recognizes that. Over the decades, there have been many different organizations that have the blessing of the NCAA to bestow a crown. In some years, there has been more than one champion and I discovered that starting from the early 1900's, Auburn has been crowned with 8 national championships in football from various organizations.

GODDAMMIT IT IS FUCKING OBVIOUS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A FUCKING PLAYOFF AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A FUCKING DICK

I totally agree, there should be a playoff. My preference would be an 8-team playoff, but I doubt that will ever happen. The +1 that many talk about is a joke. Really, a 4-team playoff is the same in that you would play the same number of games. If someone would just wise up and realize that you could tie in the bowls with this formula, then an actual playoff would happen.

sCam is the tip of the ice berg for Auburn's problems... just wait... the FBI has tons of evidence on those assholes, but can't release it until the indictments come down for some of their boosters and BOT members. :elaugh:

From day 1, I said if anyone were to get into trouble over this crap, it would be Cecil Newton, Kenny Rogers and possibly Mississippi State. Last night, the NCAA cleared Cam Newton to play. What I don't understand is why all the haters thought Auburn would be hit hard with penalties when the actual allegations were against State and not Auburn.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

From day 1, I said if anyone were to get into trouble over this crap, it would be Cecil Newton, Kenny Rogers and possibly Mississippi State. Last night, the NCAA cleared Cam Newton to play. What I don't understand is why all the haters thought Auburn would be hit hard with penalties when the actual allegations were against State and not Auburn.

Well the issue is that you are not allowed to field a player who is deemed to have been ineligible. So if Newton had taken money, or even requested some knowingly, even if it had been from another school, he'd be ruled ineligible, and Auburn would have to forfeit all the games he appeared in as well as any titles won. The same thing happened in basketball with Chris Webber at Michigan. But Auburn was never in any risk in terms of probation.

 

[MILF Man]

What a horrible week for Bama fans. First, they get they ass kicked by the biggest comeback in history against them with Auburn down 24-0. And now Cam Newton has been ruled eligible to play by the NCAA.

**NEWS FLASH**
The state is imploding right now!!

 

[young_guns]

WI to the Rose bowl!!

 

[D-rock]

So let me get this strait. They found that the allegations against Cam Newton's family were pretty much true,...and they cleared him to play exactly why now? Even for how nonsensical and inept an organization like the NCAA has been run for the last 40 or 50 years that's still mind boggling. Even if it wasn't still a major violation of their rules already for the player, and even if Cam didn't know about it (Which I find think the chances of that are totally absolutely ridiculously absurdly low.), this would have to be the biggest freaking loophole the NCAA has ever done with something like this. Is there any reason pretty much every major recruit won't just have one of their parents or somebody else close by them try to make deals for them so they can claim plausible deniability that isn't fooling anybody.

The "amateur" rules the players have to play by are pretty stupid and they need to be gotten rid of, but if they exist the NCAA can't be hypocritical about it and they can't let some people do things while other can't. The corruption of the whole NCAA system reeks beyond the point to tolerability. Why also do I get the impression if some team like TCU wouldn't be getting the title shot (which a lot of the people in the NCAA don't really want them to) if Auburn lost or couldn't compete, or if Newton was some obscure nobody this would have never have happened?

 

[Hot Mega]

So let me get this strait. They found that the allegations against Cam Newton's family were pretty much true,...and they cleared him to play exactly why now? Even for how nonsensical and inept an organization like the NCAA has been run for the last 40 or 50 years that's still mind boggling. Even if it wasn't still a major violation of their rules already for the player, and even if Cam didn't know about it (Which I find think the chances of that are totally absolutely ridiculously absurdly low.), this would have to be the biggest freaking loophole the NCAA has ever done with something like this. Is there any reason pretty much every major recruit won't just have one of their parents or somebody else close by them try to make deals for them so they can claim plausible deniability that isn't fooling anybody.

The "amateur" rules the players have to play by are pretty stupid and they need to be gotten rid of, but if they exist the NCAA can't be hypocritical about it and they can't let some people do things while other can't. The corruption of the whole NCAA system reeks beyond the point to tolerability. Why also do I get the impression if some team like TCU wouldn't be getting the title shot (which a lot of the people in the NCAA don't really want them to) if Auburn lost or couldn't compete, or if Newton was some obscure nobody this would have never have happened?

From what's been reported I thought Cam would most certainly by ineligible and Aub would be in some serious trouble. But I don't know what of the actual allegations proved true. What seems to be true is that his father asked for money and others asked for money but Cam knew nor received any of it...I would think that's still a violation but if it isn't I can see that too....I guess.

As far as TCU goes...they've had allot of bad things happen to their chances..they needed Oregon St. to keep winning and for Utah not to get torched by ND....as it stands their chances are likely going to take another hit when Oregon beats OSU this weekend.

I can see the Horned Frogs getting leapfrogged because there are some one loss schedules that are just frankly tougher than their undefeated schedule.:dunno:

 

[D-rock]

From what's been reported I thought Cam would most certainly by ineligible and Aub would be in some serious trouble. But I don't know what of the actual allegations proved true. What seems to be true is that his father asked for money and others asked for money but Cam knew nor received any of it...I would think that's still a violation but if it isn't I can see that too....I guess.

If it's not a violation then any rule about a student taking money might as well not even exist. If the NCAA is consistent from here on out (Though they are far from consistent about anything.), than any rule about a student taking money to go to a university is practically unenforceable and in the event it is exposed the punishment is going to be extremely light. It would be a simple matter of having them take money by proxy from a close relative or friend and in the unlikely event it's exposed they can just claim they didn't know about it. Short of something like a videotaped confession there isn't much that could be done to actually prove the student knew, even if it's obvious from a common sense standpoint.

 

[smoknn]

What a horrible week for Bama fans. First, they get they ass kicked by the biggest comeback in history against them with Auburn down 24-0. And now Cam Newton has been ruled eligible to play by the NCAA.

**NEWS FLASH**
The state is imploding right now!!

if auburn wins a NC ...that one point loss is going to look pretty good...we returned 1 on defense this year..and to think the champs could only beat us 1 point..i can live with that...wait till next year:elaugh:

 

[Connor Macleod]

From what's been reported I thought Cam would most certainly by ineligible and Aub would be in some serious trouble. But I don't know what of the actual allegations proved true. What seems to be true is that his father asked for money and others asked for money but Cam knew nor received any of it...I would think that's still a violation but if it isn't I can see that too....I guess.

As far as TCU goes...they've had allot of bad things happen to their chances..they needed Oregon St. to keep winning and for Utah not to get torched by ND....as it stands their chances are likely going to take another hit when Oregon beats OSU this weekend.

I can see the Horned Frogs getting leapfrogged because there are some one loss schedules that are just frankly tougher than their undefeated schedule.:dunno:

My view of the situation is this; Cam's dad shopped his son, without Cam's knowledge, but in the end, Cam chose Auburn. No money exchanged hands, so the only rule that was broken was the shopping. Some rules are more serious than others, and the SEC and NCAA knew about the allegations as far back as January. Neither of them said Cam shouldn't play, so I don't see how Auburn would get into trouble. I believe the only reason this mess was made public was because Auburn was undefeated. If they had 3 or 4 losses, the public would probably have never learned about it, or not heard about it until after the season was over.

As for TCU, strength of schedule is their problem. What most people don't know is that 4 of the 6 computers in the BCS use formulas where strength of schedule is a factor. Utah finally wised up and realized they need to be in a better conference if they want a chance at BCS glory (or more importantly, BCS money). Boise State swapped conferences as well, but their move was just lateral, from one bad conference to another. I suspect that during the off-season, there will be some more teams moving to another conference. The Big 12 needs to add 2 teams, or they won't be allowed to have a conference championship game, so they'll be be looking to add somebody. I suspect they may go after TCU. If they do and TCU passes, then I suspect the voters, if there is any way they can fix it, would never allow TCU to play in a BCS bowl.

 

[Hot Mega]

My view of the situation is this; Cam's dad shopped his son, without Cam's knowledge, but in the end, Cam chose Auburn. No money exchanged hands, so the only rule that was broken was the shopping. Some rules are more serious than others, and the SEC and NCAA knew about the allegations as far back as January. Neither of them said Cam shouldn't play, so I don't see how Auburn would get into trouble. I believe the only reason this mess was made public was because Auburn was undefeated. If they had 3 or 4 losses, the public would probably have never learned about it, or not heard about it until after the season was over.

As I understand it the allegations stemmed from an unrelated investigation by the FBI (or some other alphabet group) into some banking situation and they incidentally recorded conversations by Cam's pop.

As for TCU, strength of schedule is their problem. What most people don't know is that 4 of the 6 computers in the BCS use formulas where strength of schedule is a factor. Utah finally wised up and realized they need to be in a better conference if they want a chance at BCS glory (or more importantly, BCS money). Boise State swapped conferences as well, but their move was just lateral, from one bad conference to another. I suspect that during the off-season, there will be some more teams moving to another conference. The Big 12 needs to add 2 teams, or they won't be allowed to have a conference championship game, so they'll be be looking to add somebody. I suspect they may go after TCU. If they do and TCU passes, then I suspect the voters, if there is any way they can fix it, would never allow TCU to play in a BCS bowl.

Well the move for BSU wouldn't have been lateral per se. They would have been moving into a conference with TCU and BYU while taking Nevada with them. Had Utah stayed...the conference would have boasted BSU, Utah, TCU, Nevada and BYU...that IMO would be a stronger conference than the Big East.

As it stands..the ship has sailed on TCU...as it's been discussed earlier, the Big XII wouldn't invite them and TCU just accepted an invitation from the Big East earlier this week.:2 cents:

 

[Connor Macleod]

As I understand it the allegations stemmed from an unrelated investigation by the FBI (or some other alphabet group) into some banking situation and they incidentally recorded conversations by Cam's pop.

I haven't heard of anything like that, and I live in Alabama, but I have stayed away from the newspapers as of late, because the news media is just milking this for all it's worth and don't want this story to die. What I do know is Milton McGregor, who owns the dog track in Birmingham, is under investigation by the FBI for allegedly bribing politicians to try and legalize gambling, so he can build casinos in Alabama. His name came up in the Cam case, because he donated 1 million to Auburn and someone started a rumor that some of that money was diverted to Cam's father.

As it stands..the ship has sailed on TCU...as it's been discussed earlier, the Big XII wouldn't invite them and TCU just accepted an invitation from the Big East earlier this week.

As I have been staying away from the newspapers, I hadn't heard that, but it would help the Big East. For a long time now, there has been a lot of talk that the Big East is not strong enough to be included in the BCS mix. However, TCU would only be their 9th member. If the Big East truly wants to be taken seriously, they will need to add 3 more teams to be eligible to play a conference championship game.

 

[Hot Mega]

I haven't heard of anything like that, and I live in Alabama, but I have stayed away from the newspapers as of late, because the news media is just milking this for all it's worth and don't want this story to die. What I do know is Milton McGregor, who owns the dog track in Birmingham, is under investigation by the FBI for allegedly bribing politicians to try and legalize gambling, so he can build casinos in Alabama. His name came up in the Cam case, because he donated 1 million to Auburn and someone started a rumor that some of that money was diverted to Cam's father.

Meh..:dunno: I just heard it was something with Colonial Bank, bailout, FBI, booster, politicians, wiretaps and blah blah blah...I haven't followed it too closely frankly because I was hoping the story wasn't as bad as it sounded.

As I have been staying away from the newspapers, I hadn't heard that, but it would help the Big East. For a long time now, there has been a lot of talk that the Big East is not strong enough to be included in the BCS mix. However, TCU would only be their 9th member. If the Big East truly wants to be taken seriously, they will need to add 3 more teams to be eligible to play a conference championship game.

Well I think for TCU and the Big East it was a no brainer and a win for both in terms of the BCS. For the Big East they were threatening to become a joke for as weak as they have become and still having an auto BCS bid. If they didn't do something to give their conference the appearance of strength, who knows what may have happen as the outrage over them getting auto bids for 4 and 5 loss, 20th ranked teams would have began to get louder and louder.

For TCU, the Big XII didn't want them because they gain nothing from having them..no additional tv market and..for the Texas schools..they would then be getting another school in the conference that could go around telling local recruits to come play for them in the Big XII. Therefore the Big XII and some of it's key schools gain nothing at all by adding TCU...Hence, they weren't invited.

You would think it would have made sense for TCU to stay put as their conference was due to get much stronger..even stronger than the Big East. But why would they when you think about it? For having to endure this new, tougher conference...their conf. winner still doesn't get an auto bid to the BCS AND their odds of being able to go undefeated have decreased.

Now.... by them going to the Big East..TCU knows if they manage to go undefeated..they will get an automatic BCS bid...even if they don't (win the Big East and go to a BCS game) they are A.) Still in line for other Big East bowl tie ins and B.) They will get a share of the BCS revenue from their conference champ going.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

Boise State will have a hard time getting in a BCS conference cuz BCS conferences don't tend to allow community college level academics into their conferences. :thefinger

 

[Connor Macleod]

Boise State will have a hard time getting in a BCS conference cuz BCS conferences don't tend to allow community college level academics into their conferences.

The Pac-10 would have been a decent fit for them last year, but Boise had to do something stupid and go from one bad conference to another. The Big East is in desperate need of strong teams, or teams that at least have the illusion of strength. However, the logistics of them being so far away from the the schools would/should exclude them from that scenario. The Big-12 might consider them as they need to add 2 teams to continue their conference championship, but I doubt that will happen, because if Boise jumped ship now, it would be an admission that they made a mistake and I don't think Boise would want to join the second strongest conference in the country.

 

[Hot Mega]

The Pac-10 would have been a decent fit for them last year, but Boise had to do something stupid and go from one bad conference to another. The Big East is in desperate need of strong teams, or teams that at least have the illusion of strength. However, the logistics of them being so far away from the the schools would/should exclude them from that scenario. The Big-12 might consider them as they need to add 2 teams to continue their conference championship, but I doubt that will happen, because if Boise jumped ship now, it would be an admission that they made a mistake and I don't think Boise would want to join the second strongest conference in the country.

Well, they were trying to improve their strength of schedule which they would have until TCU bolted.

 

[Jagger69]

Ok everyone, here's the last "pick 'em" list of the season (man, where did it go?). Abbreviated schedule this week but some critical games that will decide once and for all who plays for the NC. Let's hear from you!

By the way, congrats to ASU for squeaking out a win against Arizona last night.

Tonight:

Northern Illinois vs. Miami (Ohio) (MAC Championship) (NIU is my choice)
Illinois at Fresno St. (Bowl-bound Illini win in sunny California)

Saturday

Nevada at Louisiana Tech (Wolfpack won't stumble here)
Utah St. at Boise St. (Too little, too late I'm afraid, Chris. Hello Kraft Cheese Bowl! )
Oregon at Oregon St. (Ducks close the deal against Beavers)
Auburn vs. South Carolina (SEC Championship) (I'll give the ol' ball coach a puncher's chance but Auburn should take care of business)
Rutgers at West Virginia (Mountaineers in a rout)
Pitt at Cincinnati (Bearcats upend Panthers at home)
SMU vs. Central Florida (Conference USA Championship) (UCF has the D and they get the win)
Washington at Washington St. (Locker shines in his college finale)
Florida St. vs. Virginia Tech (ACC Championship) (FSU has no answer for Tyrod Taylor. Hokies)
Oklahoma vs. Nebraska (Big 12 Championship) (Huskers are too one-dimensional, OU takes the title in a rough-and-tumble affair)
USC at UCLA (Trojans seal Neuheisel's fate is my guess)

Cut & Paste:

Tonight:

Northern Illinois vs. Miami (Ohio) (MAC Championship)
Illinois at Fresno St.

Saturday

Nevada at Louisiana Tech
Utah St. at Boise St.
Oregon at Oregon St.
Auburn vs. South Carolina (SEC Championship)
Rutgers at West Virginia
Pitt at Cincinnati
SMU vs. Central Florida (Conference USA Championship)
Washington at Washington St.
Florida St. vs. Virginia Tech (ACC Championship)
Oklahoma vs. Nebraska (Big 12 Championship)
USC at UCLA

 

[Connor Macleod]

Well, they were trying to improve their strength of schedule which they would have until TCU bolted.

I think you meant Utah.

 

[Hot Mega]

I think you meant Utah.

Actually Utah and TCU.

 

[D-rock]

Boise State will have a hard time getting in a BCS conference cuz BCS conferences don't tend to allow community college level academics into their conferences. :thefinger

Yeah, because we all know how important academics are to the athletic programs of nearly all the major universities in the country.