Whats up with these shootings?

Freedom entails responsibility, and responsibility entails consequences. There is no reason to punish EVERYONE for the actions of the few (when it comes to guns, cars, whatever, it doesn't matter). You just have to enforce the law and punish the ones who DO commit crimes.

Ideas like breathalizer ignition systems are just entirely retarded.

I don't even *****, but I'd be willing to to deal with the inconvenience (sp). Hey, it could be my ****** that is ****ed by a ***** driver next.
 
I don't ***** either, but I don't think they can create a system that's foolproof against ***** or otherwise ********ted drivers.

What about *****, have a syringe hooked up to the ignition to do an on the spot ***** test?
 
Chicken Little Syndrome. It seems to have effected quite a few members on here as well - they may not go out in a blaze of glory, but they seem just as convinced that the eminent apocalypse is coming.

everyone always thinks that because things are bad, it means that the world is ending. newsflash: **** happens and it has always happened and it will always happen as long as humans exist, and it never caused anything more than a temporary delay in society.
 
PS. and on the subject of ***** driving, you are looking at it in black and white terms. It should be about driving impaired, not driving *****. For most people it requires about 2 or 3 beers to be drunker than the legal limit, but most people who ***** have built up an ******* tolerance to the point where they are not effected by that amount. I know a guy that polishes off a 12 pack every Friday and drives home and he's never been in a car accident or even gotten a traffic fine, because he's used to ******** that much and it doesn't impair his ability to drive. So why should he get a ticket simply for consuming a product which is his legal right to do so?

what if you crash your car when you have drank less than the legal amount? who is to say what level that ******* contributed to it? studies have shown that talking on a cell phone while driving impairs you as much as being *****, but many states still have it legal to do that. How about driving while you are tired? that's just as bad, but how are you going to enforce that? and what if you just straight up are not paying attention while you are driving, which is perfectly legal and no less dangerous.

Police can't stop people unless they have reasonable suspicion that they have committed a crime. If someone is driving perfectly fine, then there is no reason to pull them over and check if they have been ********. That is why required breathalyzers in cars should not be permitted, they are presumed guilt. that's also why we have a law that says the police can't install a camera in your house to watch your every move. would it catch some guilty people? of course, but it would ******* 99% of innocent people in the process. If you are innocent, then you should not be treated like a criminal.
 

Spleen

******?
Yeah, because that never happens. ;)

How hard is it to stop a ***** wielding maniac? Not that hard, especially when he is some untrained nobody who is just pissed off because he lost his job.

Now, replace that ***** with a ***. What happens? Dozens dead, hostages taken, international headlines are made.
 
I don't ***** either, but I don't think they can create a system that's foolproof against ***** or otherwise ********ted drivers.

What about *****, have a syringe hooked up to the ignition to do an on the spot ***** test?

a syringe??? I'm sorry but i don't like sticking anything in me -especially needles.

you know Lucky i wouldn't be surprised if you prefer the world to be hooked up to the matrix.:thumbsup:
 
Now, replace that ***** with a ***. What happens? Dozens dead, hostages taken, international headlines are made.

In most of the mass ******s that have taken the most lives in the U.S. (including serial ****ers) not a single bullet from a single firearm was ever fired.

If people are committed to taking a bunch of people out before they off themselves there's not much that can be done about it.

There are just too, too many soft targets in our society and there is no practical way to protect everyone from the prospect of some loser or losers willing to take out a bunch of people.

If we've learned anything from the laws of supply and demand is that the black market never fails. Banning firearms won't eliminate or even reduce mass ******s IMO. Too often there is the false assumption that absent a firearm people intent on taking life en mass are limited to only knives or broken glass bottles as an option.

The only way to prevent mass ****** is to harden every soft target in our society....again, not practical or even possible.

:2 cents:
 

Spleen

******?
In most of the mass ******s that have taken the most lives in the U.S. (including serial ****ers) not a single bullet from a single firearm was ever fired.

Serial ****ers are a different subject.

Fuck it. I give up. It's no use talking to Americans about guns because they love them too much.
 
we americans have a strong sense of ******** as acceptable, sex as naughty, and guns as great...what could ever go wrong? mass ******ers almost always use guns or explosives...serial ****ers **** over and over again usually ****ing individuals (with exceptions like *** of Sam and the Zodiac ****er who did **** couples) whereas a mass ****** is a single event where multiple people are ****ed
 
Serial ****ers are a different subject.

Fuck it. I give up. It's no use talking to Americans about guns because they love them too much.

As far as I know serial ****ers are sociopaths who set out to ****** many people (how are they different??). They don't use "firearms" in most cases because firearms tend to be traced easier and potentially leave more clues than most other methods.

For whatever reason our society has many more wolves than most other societies...the prospect of these wolves knowing that they have an easier access to firearms than the average person because they are ******* is pretty frightening to me...much more frightening than the prospect of me dying at the hands of one as the laws stand today.

I personally don't love firearms as much as I love the protection it affords potential victims of crimes.
 
Attention to all potential immigrants. Learn English and don't expect anyone to care! This dude from 'Nam felt a victim because of his ****-poor English...WHAT THE F DOES ANYONE EXPECT?. If I went to live in Vietnam I'd not leave before attaining some solid understanding of the language first and foremost. Hell I feel isolated and not living my dreams but that's my fault and my choices only.

I appreciate every fucking day and as a member of the top 5% living standard community I and all you others already won the lottery when we were so fricking lucky to be born in these great nations. Sure I want all sorts of things, but I know that will never cease no matter my wealth. We're spoiled rotten really, so can we please enjoy this good life FFS?!
 

Spleen

******?
As far as I know serial ****ers are sociopaths who set out to ****** many people (how are they different??). They don't use "firearms" in most cases because firearms tend to be traced easier and potentially leave more clues than most other methods.

You're either disagreeing because you're looking for an arguement, or you're an idiot.
What's it gonna be?
 
i'm pretty sure serial ****ers don't use firearms because it's not personal enough. it won't satisfy the psycho-sexual nature of their addiction.
 

Legzman

what the fuck you lookin at?
Yesterday in New York, and today in Pittsburgh. Guy gets laid off from his job and goes ape **** with a ***.

:dunno:

The guy in Pittsburgh heard about the guy in New York and thought it was a good idea :1orglaugh
 
You're either disagreeing because you're looking for an arguement, or you're an idiot.
What's it gonna be?

If you re-read my reply...how can YOU disagree??? The mass ******s that have ****ed THE MOST people in the U.S. at one time didn't involve a single firearm. That is simply a fact.

Secondly, serial ****ers ARE sociopaths as is ANYONE who's psychosis allows that they ****** someone. Committing ****** IS anti-social sociopathy. Now in some cases their psychosis may be acute or temporary as opposed to chronic or clinical as with serial ****ers but it's the same psychosis, they objectify their victims...It's not my rule but anyone who knows anything about psychology can tell you that.

The bottom line is people hell bent on ******ing allot of people don't need a firearm and history has shown in the cases where the most amount of human life has been taken by an individual or small group of individuals it wasn't done with a firearm

On 9/11 over 3000 people were ******ed at one time..not a single bullet was fired. Timothy McVeigh ****ed hundreds at one time in Oklahoma City, not a single bullet was fired...those are the two largest incidents of ****** in American history and not a single bullet was fired. Those are facts..what don't you like about facts?
 
You could ban guns and maybe the body count would be lowered but by then the government would just go total tyranny from the soft-tyranny being seen today. The good people must stay armed to keep the elite in check, simple as that IMO

Firearms are just convenient and who doesn't get warped by the power of the *** when they first ***** of fucking **** up. It's a weapon from God to these cowards.

If some dude went the business in Mr Bill style mass ****ing he'd be a legend and worthy of the term pure evil.

These shooters are all just cowardly scum and not even worthy of the name gifted to them by their parents(who may be partly to blame, who knows?).
 

ChefChiTown

The secret ingredient? MY BALLS
I don't ***** either, but I don't think they can create a system that's foolproof against ***** or otherwise ********ted drivers.

What about *****, have a syringe hooked up to the ignition to do an on the spot ***** test?

It won't be long until every car that's manufactured in the US will be constructed with a built in breathalyzer of sorts.

In most of the mass ******s that have taken the most lives in the U.S. (including serial ****ers) not a single bullet from a single firearm was ever fired.

Name one time that a man with a kitchen ***** stabbed 30 or more people at one time. You can't, because it can never happen. But, with a ***, 30 people can die in 2 seconds.

As far as I know serial ****ers are sociopaths who set out to ****** many people (how are they different??). They don't use "firearms" in most cases because firearms tend to be traced easier and potentially leave more clues than most other methods.

They don't use firearms because most serial ****ers like to ******* their victims, as it is a twisted way for them to get off. If they **** people with a ***, by shooting them, there's not much *******. So, they use things like knives, ropes, fire, etc. It has nothing to do with being traced. In fact, most serial ****ers actually want to be caught.
 
I don't see it as meaningless. What makes you feel that way?

I dunno. We live, we die. I do anyways. I'm not trying to come off as some suicidal depressed guy, because I'm not, I have a fairly awesome life. I just don't need "meaning" to get me through it. There is no higher power guiding me, or helping me through life. There is nothing I'm supposed to do, or become. I just **** up, do whatever I have to do and go to *****.

And if there was a meaning, it would be to produce platinum records and tour the country.
 
Name one time that a man with a kitchen ***** stabbed 30 or more people at one time. You can't, because it can never happen. But, with a ***, 30 people can die in 2 seconds.

They don't use firearms because most serial ****ers like to ******* their victims, as it is a twisted way for them to get off. If they **** people with a ***, by shooting them, there's not much *******. So, they use things like knives, ropes, fire, etc. It has nothing to do with being traced. In fact, most serial ****ers actually want to be caught.

Like I said in a previous reply, people who want to **** allot of people at one time wouldn't simply settle for a ***** if they couldn't get their hands on a firearm...see 9/11 and the Oklahoma City.

Name one serial ****er who wanted to be caught??? If so, why not just turn themselves in?? Some enjoy the chase but don't confuse their guilt over their actions with the desire to get caught. They have one desire and that is to fulfill whatever exploitation of their victims their need calls for. Often times, the ****** of their victims is merely to cover the initial crime they're exploiting their victims for in the first place.
 
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