Your 2010/2011 NFL MVP -- Mr. Tom Brady vs Michael Vick. Who ya got?

[titsrock]

I think it hurts Vick's case that the Eagles won without him too.

 

[titsrock]

If it's about wins, than why are we giving an individual award to someone because their team has accomplished more?

Rivers is more valuable to the Chargers then Brady is to the Patriots. Especially this year. He's done more with less. He's thrown for 4100 yards. 29 TD's and 11 INT's. Antonio Gates, his best receiver has missed significant time due to injury. Vincent Jackson has only played in...2 games? Ryan Matthews, his number 1st round running back has been injured all year. His special teams has been historically bad and the defense is nothing like years passed. They lost players on offense and defense and yet, he still has the Chargers in right in the mix of another division title. If that isn't MVP worthy, I don't know what is.

We will have to go research but how many MVP winners were on teams that either missed the playoffs (which could still happen to the Bolts) or were bounced early in the playoffs? A quick glance at wiki seems to point to the winner being a player on a team with a big winning record and/or Super Bowl appearance :dunno: Playoff futility is a stigma against the Bolts.

The Bolts have the NFL's statistical best defense this season which further bolsters Brady's case.

 

[Jagger69]

I think the Eagles are the highest scoring actually...:dunno:

Nope. The Patriots are.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...erence=ALL&role=TM&season=2010&seasonType=REG

 

[JacknCoke]

If the Chargers had any kind of record at all it would be Phillip Rivers hands down. He is that entire team. For a few games this season you couldn't even name a single receiver on his team and he was still throwing for 300 yards and 4 TD's (slight exaggeration maybe?)

But I think it's a toss up. Maybe Brady because he hasn't missed any games yet this season...

 

[316sherm]

Bye bye Mr. Moss...:wave2:
...thanks for the memories :clap:

 

[Bearded_Menace]

Neither get my vote. I hate how people are always going on and on about quarterbacks and how they are virtually placed on a god like pedestal. Last year, Chris Johnson should have received the MVP award but it was given to that 6'5 horse shoe uniformed jackass in Indiana. Oh well.

 

[rwill25]

Very tough decision. You really can't go wrong with either player.

I picked Vick, but he did miss time this season, so now I feel I should have voted for Tom.

It should just be a tie. Just split it. :dunno:

 

[Ace Bandage]

Last year, Chris Johnson should have received the MVP award but it was given to that 6'5 horse shoe uniformed jackass in Indiana. Oh well.

That's Peyton Fucking Manning to you, pal. We don't take that sort of talk lightly around here.

 

[qiinson]

Tom... Vick... Tom... Vick... Tom... Vick... :fight: :dunno:

 

[D-rock]

Neither get my vote. I hate how people are always going on and on about quarterbacks and how they are virtually placed on a god like pedestal. Last year, Chris Johnson should have received the MVP award but it was given to that 6'5 horse shoe uniformed jackass in Indiana. Oh well.

Something like that might be the case if they created an award that judged people based on what an average or replacement player would have been like. Unfortunately, football is a sport that has one position, the quarterback, that is inherently more important than any other to a team's success to a level not seen all other major sports. A mediocre quarterback probably does more to help his team win then the best running backs most years. In fact running back is one of the most fungible and lest important or at least one of the most easily replaced positions on the whole team (Which is ironic when that‘s the opposite of what most people think and they are one of the faces of most teams.), so for one to be rightfully considered for an MVP award they would have to have a historically extraordinary great year in a year where all the top quarterbacks (and everybody else) where more lackluster than normal.

I think they should actually create something like an Most Outstanding Player Award for situations such as that where it could open up an major award to people of more positions. It wouldn’t go to the person that was necessarily the best but would go to the person that had a great and memorable year for one reason or another, especially compared to others of their position.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

I know someone mentioned Vick as offensive player of the year, but I think that should go to Philip Rivers. Why is he not mentioned in this MVP race? His career year is keeping that shit team above 500 and maybe into the playoffs. Boy deserves some credit.

If it's about wins, than why are we giving an individual award to someone because their team has accomplished more?

Rivers is more valuable to the Chargers then Brady is to the Patriots. Especially this year. He's done more with less. He's thrown for 4100 yards. 29 TD's and 11 INT's. Antonio Gates, his best receiver has missed significant time due to injury. Vincent Jackson has only played in...2 games? Ryan Matthews, his 1st round running back has been injured all year. His special teams has been historically bad and the defense is nothing like years passed. They lost players on offense and defense and yet, he still has the Chargers in right in the mix of another division title. If that isn't MVP worthy, I don't know what is.

All 3 all are about even in my mind, individual-wise. But there's nothing wrong with using team record as sort of a tiebreaker. There should be a balance of the two. You are absolutely right, he deserves to be mentioned. But so would Arian Foster, who's team is 5-9.

 

[roronoa3000]

lol exactly. and now everybody is on his dick. not a pat fan, but brady has been an excellent QB all season.

Have you even watched Philly games? You are seriously saying he had one good game?

Look at his fucking stats.

 

[ForumModeregulator]

right now its only Vick and Brady in the discussion. They both solidified this race in their wins last week...

Vick has the numbers, but Brady's are better. Vick has rushed for 600 yards, and 8 tds...

TOM BRADY has no awesome receivers this year (moss traded) and an undrafted running back starting in the backfield, and yet hes leading the Pats, and crushing the competition in the AFC.

I would say that Tom Brady right now, deserves the award. He is the best QB/player in the league right now. Hands down.

 

[STDiva]

But so would Arian Foster, who's team is 5-9.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. He should be mentioned, but because his teams record stinks, he won't. How outstanding does a player have to be? The guy leads the league in TD's and already has 1900 yards from scrimmage. There isn't much else he can do to help his team win.

In order to be the MVP you have to have a great team. It doesn't make sense.

 

[funkipman]

um... Brees

 

[STDiva]

TOM BRADY has no awesome receivers this year (moss traded) and an undrafted running back starting in the backfield, and yet hes leading the Pats, and crushing the competition in the AFC.

Welker and Branch both pretty awesome. Just sayin'. Not Andre Johnson awesome, but pretty good. Welker is a consistent 100 reception guy and Branch is a Super Bowl MVP.

 

[ForumModeregulator]

Welker and Branch both pretty awesome. Just sayin'. Not Andre Johnson awesome, but pretty good. Welker is a consistent 100 reception guy and Branch is a Super Bowl MVP.

right, but the argument is that it's not them...its Brady. With as many TDS and numbers Brady is putting up, there HAS to be somebody catching the ball...thats why there numbers are good, but its Brady makin em look good. Branch was doing nothing before he got traded back to the Pats. He won the MVP five years ago...

Im still gonna say that Brady is the most productive QB, on a most productive team, thus he deserves the MVP. Vick is close behind, but Brady is the safe choice.

 

[YumiYumi_1988]

In order to be the MVP you have to have a great team.

And play on offense.

There should seriously be a separate award for non QBs and RBs. Cuz all the popular choice are all QB, and when they're not, they are RB.

How about Roddy White, James Harrison, Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Nnamdi Asomugha, Charles Woodson, Dwight Freeney, Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, etc?

 

[TheOrangeCat]

Why so much hatred, he didn't make those barbaric shits with your dog, everybody deserves a 2d chance in life.He made dangerous foolish mistakes with those dogfights, but as far as he assume that & pay for it, i don't know why he can't play to the NFL.His matches & his level proved that he really belongs to the MVP nominee with Tom "Terrific".

Yeah cause dog fighting is so much worse than rape or murder like other NFL players have been accused of and comeback and won that award.

An award is performance on the field and not a god damn thing to do with whats done off field 5 years ago.

I really hope Vick wins this year. He deserves it.

Did he fuck your dog?

It's called an 'opinion', and I personally think that someone who gets a kick from, and, runs as a business, a medieval blood sport is someone who does not deserve any kind of public adulation (and is clearly intellectually bankrupt and psychically hollow if that is how he needs to get his kicks)

As he was never accused of rape or murder, the comparator is redundant and, frankly, facile. I was talking about what he did, not about the great slide rule of moral degeneracy. Hey, why not give him a free pass because he never committed genocide? he never fucked your Mom in the ass, so let's give him a medal.

The man is a base, brutal ignoramus who, had he not been caught, would still be getting thrills and spills from watching sentient animals tear each other apart.

If you think that's OK, that's good for you.

How about we have some medieval fun with a hot poker and something innocent you care about?

Or, you could try thinking.

 

[ForumModeregulator]

It's called an 'opinion', and I personally think that someone who gets a kick from, and, runs as a business, a medieval blood sport is someone who does not deserve any kind of public adulation (and is clearly intellectually bankrupt and psychically hollow if that is how he needs to get his kicks)

As he was never accused of rape or murder, the comparator is redundant and, frankly, facile. I was talking about what he did, not about the great slide rule of moral degeneracy. Hey, why not give him a free pass because he never committed genocide? he never fucked your Mom in the ass, so let's give him a medal.

The man is a base, brutal ignoramus who, had he not been caught, would still be getting thrills and spills from watching sentient animals tear each other apart.

If you think that's OK, that's good for you.

How about we have some medieval fun with a hot poker and something innocent you care about?

Or, you could try thinking.

I think the point being made is that you need to take a look around the real world and those involved with professional sports. People fuck up, and people do bad things. Some go on to be greater fuck ups, others make something out of it prevail.

Vick's situation was complicated and almost classic. Lower class guy growing up in Atlanta, bad family, bad influences. LOTS of money. Its a sociological phenomenon, but it happens more than you think. Most of em just arent as publicly recognized as Vick. what he did was illegal, it wasn't just cruelty to animals, he was making millions running an illegal activity. That can not be denied. He did prison time, and although he can not erase what he did, hes clearly making a GREAT effort to make things right again. Better people in his life, smarter choices, more maturity, and more sense of reality. That takes a lot of balls.


It shouldnt be about what he did, it should be about what hes doing now to make things right.


Chris Berman did a good piece for ESPN featuring Vick...check it out...
If a standup guy like Andy Reid trusts him, then I do too. he has changed...