Why the US does not have universal health care


Trumpcare is no good either.

But it is not about tax cuts for the 1 percent. It is about cucks that want to keep all of the back breaking provisions of Obamacare while acting as if they are repealing it.

Liberals are opposing it for political reasons only as this bill doesn't change it.

The real people losing healthcare are the millions that lost it when they got priced out of the market.

Fuck Obama, Fuck the left.
 

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Rey C.

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Can anyone give a good explanation as to why it is so incredibly difficult for an individual to get (even ballpark) prices for non-emergency procedures in the U.S.? As more Americans get high deductible plans, more of the cost shifts to them. And for non-emergency services, I would pick the less costly option for an MRI or blood tests, etc. But try getting a hospital or clinic to tell you what they charge prior to the procedure. Private insurance companies and Medicare/Medicaid have rates that they've agreed to pay... and not a penny more. But individuals are left in the dark. Why?

People tend to get hung up on who pays and how it's paid (universal health proposals, high deductible private or employer based insurance, etc.). But the primary driver in the equation are the out of control health care costs. If health care costs/charges were lower, it would be possible, if not likely, that insurance premiums would be lower. I'm not aware of any other industry where it's virtually impossible to get pricing before you agree to purchase a service or product. Imagine if you couldn't get the price for a new car or house until after you've signed the sales contract. :wtf:
 

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Jagger69

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MISPLACED AMERICAN HEALTHCARE EXCEPTIONALISM

"The US healthcare system is the best … for the richest of the rich, pharmaceutical companies, specialist doctors and the insurance industry."

https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/09/17/misplaced-american-healthcare-exceptionalism/

Yes. The myth has been propagated by the exact entities identified in the link as prospering under the mess that is the American health care system.

A common complaint that is heard about going to a universal and compulsory not-for-profit single-payer system is "your taxes will go up". Well, yeah, they certainly will. However, one would be remiss not to factor in the reality that health insurance premiums will disappear (unless supplemental coverage is purchased) and deductibles will shrink. Last year the average American family paid out $9,996 in premiums and $7,983 in deductibles. That's almost $18,000. Add to this significant co-pays and varying percentages of the gross depending on individual plans and average annual costs can easily exceed $20,000 or, if you happen to get sick, even more.

Bernie Sanders' bill to expand Medicare for all isn't likely to gather enough support to even come to a vote on the Senate floor but it is certainly a step in the right direction. Sure, the AMA, the insurance lobby and big pharma will tell you the sky is falling and paint the typical evil socialistic doomsday prophecy they always do when it comes to universal single-payer health care but the reality is that the present system is a serious square peg trying to fit into an ever-increasingly round hole on the health care issue. It makes no sense to me to continue to pretend that the American health care emperor is adorned in the finest silk and satin when in fact he is walking the streets balls-ass naked in my view (and it's an ugly view at that!). The current health care system is a scam and it's way past time that we did away with it and provided a right to universal health care for all Americans regardless of income.
 

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Yes. The myth has been propagated by the exact entities identified in the link as prospering under the mess that is the American health care system.

A common complaint that is heard about going to a universal and compulsory not-for-profit single-payer system is "your taxes will go up". Well, yeah, they certainly will. However, one would be remiss not to factor in the reality that health insurance premiums will disappear (unless supplemental coverage is purchased) and deductibles will shrink. Last year the average American family paid out $9,996 in premiums and $7,983 in deductibles. That's almost $18,000. Add to this significant co-pays and varying percentages of the gross depending on individual plans and average annual costs can easily exceed $20,000 or, if you happen to get sick, even more.

Bernie Sanders' bill to expand Medicare for all isn't likely to gather enough support to even come to a vote on the Senate floor but it is certainly a step in the right direction. Sure, the AMA, the insurance lobby and big pharma will tell you the sky is falling and paint the typical evil socialistic doomsday prophecy they always do when it comes to universal single-payer health care but the reality is that the present system is a serious square peg trying to fit into an ever-increasingly round hole on the health care issue. It makes no sense to me to continue to pretend that the American health care emperor is adorned in the finest silk and satin when in fact he is walking the streets balls-ass naked in my view (and it's an ugly view at that!). The current health care system is a scam and it's way past time that we did away with it and provided a right to universal health care for all Americans regardless of income.

Also rarely mentioned is the amount employers spend - an amount that could be going into employee's paychecks instead (it'll probably be just absorbed into profits instead, 'cause, you know, "trickle-down"). If nothing else, that'll make US companies more competitve abroad, and that's a conservative mantra, no?
 

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