Why the US does not have universal health care

[sean miguel]

Entitlements???
It comes down to what the actual definition of an entitlement is.
From my point of view the military budget is by far the largest expenditure of our tax dollars every year there isn't anything else even close.

Fiscal year 2015 - defense was only 16.2% of total federal spending. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid was 53.3% of all federal spending.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...art-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

 

[pool_hustler]

Is social security considered an "entitlement"?

 

[sean miguel]

Is social security considered an "entitlement"?

As the term is used in regards to the federal budget, yes.

 

[randysandy]

I guess it's not the US way

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Fiscal year 2015 - defense was only 16.2% of total federal spending. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid was 53.3% of all federal spending.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...art-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

Neither social security nor Medicaid are an entitlement.
Welfare is an entitlement because those who use it for the most part didn't payfor it.

 

[sean miguel]

Neither social security nor Medicaid are an entitlement.
Welfare is an entitlement because those who use it for the most part didn't payfor it.

here:

Entitlement Program

The kind of government program that provides individuals with personal financial benefits (or sometimes special government-provided goods or services) to which an indefinite (but usually rather large) number of potential beneficiaries have a legal right (enforceable in court, if necessary) whenever they meet eligibility conditions that are specified by the standing law that authorizes the program. The beneficiaries of entitlement programs are normally individual citizens or residents, but sometimes organizations such as business corporations, local governments, or even political parties may have similar special "entitlements" under certain programs. The most important examples of entitlement programs at the federal level in the United States would include Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, most Veterans' Administration programs, federal employee and military retirement plans, unemployment compensation, food stamps, and agricultural price support programs.

http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/entitlement_program

Entitlement Programs

Entitlement Programs of the federal government include Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Unemployment and Welfare Programs. Entitlement programs are rights granted to citizens and certain non-citizens by federal law. Entitlement programs can be broken into non-contributory and contributory programs. Non-contributory programs are free handouts - they equal "something for nothing". Contributory programs must be earned - they equal "something for something".

http://federalsafetynet.com/entitlement-programs.html


the legal definition of an entitlement program:

ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM

A federal program that guarantees a certain level of benefits to persons or other entities who meet requirements set by law, such as Social Security, farm price supports or unemployment benefits. It thus leaves no discretion with Congress on how much money to appropriate, and some entitlements carry permanent appropriations.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e081.htm

From my point of view the military budget is by far the largest expenditure of our tax dollars every year there isn't anything else even close.

so again, that is not true. and it's not even close.

 

[sean miguel]

So whatever you want to call Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc., military/defense spending was still only 16.2% of total federal spending in FY 2015.

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

here:



http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/entitlement_program




http://federalsafetynet.com/entitlement-programs.html


the legal definition of an entitlement program:



http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e081.htm




so again, that is not true. and it's not even close.

I completely disagree with whatever your source is social security in and never will be an entitlement.
If anything the military budget itself is an entitlement for defense contractors.

 

[mongo18]

"Massive taxes" are a load of shit. The real problem is that the American right are a bunch of selfish bitches who burst into tears at the thought that a few of their precious cents might be going to help a black or brown person.

In Australia our health care system is so much better than yours even emperor shit for brains can see it, and we pay 2% tax to fund it. The current government wants to increase it to 2.5% to fund the national disability insurance scheme and guess how I feel about that? 100% fine. I don't mind chipping in my bit so that everyone in my country has access to the healthcare they need. It's well worth the 2.5% to not become a third world country like America.

Also, as % of GDP, Australia spends about half as much as the USA on healthcare. Someone from your country should come over and learn how to healthcare. Oh that's right, Hillary did...

 

[bobjustbob]

"Massive taxes" are a load of shit. The real problem is that the American right are a bunch of selfish bitches who burst into tears at the thought that a few of their precious cents might be going to help a black or brown person.

In Australia our health care system is so much better than yours even emperor shit for brains can see it, and we pay 2% tax to fund it. The current government wants to increase it to 2.5% to fund the national disability insurance scheme and guess how I feel about that? 100% fine. I don't mind chipping in my bit so that everyone in my country has access to the healthcare they need. It's well worth the 2.5% to not become a third world country like America.

Also, as % of GDP, Australia spends about half as much as the USA on healthcare. Someone from your country should come over and learn how to healthcare. Oh that's right, Hillary did...

Interesting. 2.5% for health care tax is a bargain. Correct me if I'm wrong but your public hospitals are run by your fed and fed taxes are all you have? Part of USA budget goes into Medicaid but each state here also has their own plan, budget, and regulations. If your system is so much cheaper, why is that? Do your medical professionals have lower salaries and overhead? What makes your services less expensive than USA?

 

[Johan]

Fiscal year 2015 - defense was only 16.2% of total federal spending. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid was 53.3% of all federal spending.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...art-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

Social Security + Health = more than 50% of the total spending and you're not even able to have universal health care ?! This is fucked up !

 

[zeeblofowl_1969]

Social Security + Health = more than 50% of the total spending and you're not even able to have universal health care ?! This is fucked up !

Theft at its finest.
Biggest racket next to religion on planet earth. Wealthy people could give 2 fucks if something is better for everyone as long as they keep building numbers on paper.
SAD.

 

[sean miguel]

"Massive taxes" are a load of shit. The real problem is that the American right are a bunch of selfish bitches who burst into tears at the thought that a few of their precious cents might be going to help a black or brown person.

^That right there says all you need to know about this idiot.

And speaking of black or brown persons how is your aboriginal population or "abos" as you gap-toothed outback inbred types (lol @ mongo) like to call them, but only in the company of your dinner tables of course?

Aboriginal youths are 28 times more likely to be arrested and adults 13 times more than non-indigenous, henceforth referred to here as "white australians," "whites," or simply "mongo."

The aboriginal infant mortality rate is twice that of white australians.

Life expectancy of aborigines is 10 years less than their white countrymen.

The indigenous unemployment rate is 16% compared to 5% of white australians.

More than 70% of aborigines are in the bottom 2/5 income brackets.

Only 36% of aborigines graduated high school.

Aboriginal households are half as likely to own or be buying their own homes as white australians.

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/aboriginals-second-class-citizens

Those are all 2010 figures from www.ABS.gov.au. Hopefully their plight has improved dramatically since then, Australia being such a progressive society and all.

And while mongo lectures Americans on our treatment of black and brown people, his country has black and brown or otherwise swarthy types (they probably say that too) in an internment camp, living in dismal conditions on an island off their coast because they've been refused entry into Australia. Can't have any more of those m8.

fuck off.

 

[BCT]

Good thing I don't care about health care, if I got a major illness I would just lay down and croak.

 

[Supafly]

Social Security + Health = more than 50% of the total spending and you're not even able to have universal health care ?! This is fucked up !

Funny how the greatest dealmaker of all time couldn't even begin to deliver on his massive promises mof creating the super health care, covering everybody, for a fractionm of the price.

But hey, he got his swamp team on it, SOMEBODY will make a great deal, it'sjust going to be Don and his cronies.

Hey, that is GOP 101, anybody who still mbelieves in this party as anything different than a paid-in-full sponsor whorehouse is a lost case.

 

[mongo18]

And speaking of black or brown persons how is your aboriginal population or "abos" as you gap-toothed outback inbred types (lol @ mongo) like to call them, but only in the company of your dinner tables of course?

Aboriginal youths are 28 times more likely to be arrested and adults 13 times more than non-indigenous, henceforth referred to here as "white australians," "whites," or simply "mongo."

The aboriginal infant mortality rate is twice that of white australians.

Life expectancy of aborigines is 10 years less than their white countrymen.

The indigenous unemployment rate is 16% compared to 5% of white australians.

More than 70% of aborigines are in the bottom 2/5 income brackets.

Only 36% of aborigines graduated high school.

Aboriginal households are half as likely to own or be buying their own homes as white australians.

https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/aboriginals-second-class-citizens

Those are all 2010 figures from www.ABS.gov.au. Hopefully their plight has improved dramatically since then, Australia being such a progressive society and all.

And while mongo lectures Americans on our treatment of black and brown people, his country has black and brown or otherwise swarthy types (they probably say that too) in an internment camp, living in dismal conditions on an island off their coast because they've been refused entry into Australia. Can't have any more of those m8.

fuck off.

Oh wow, animus fox talking about something he doesn't understand? Shocking!

Aborigines in Australia get more money and resources for their social problems than anyone else, by a huge margin. Their problems are entrenched in their culture. They've been studied by countless experts to try to find ways to help put them on the right path, the effort has been ongoing for decades and still continues.

They also have high incidences of lead poisoning, in children as young as 7, because they won't stop sniffing jet fuel. Mothers put gasoline on babies blankets to put them to sleep. The government builds them free houses, and they tear them down and burn them. Provides jobs, that they never show up for.

If an aborigine wants to go to school or university, there are no entry requirements and they get a free ride.

Yes, aborigines have problems, but lack of assistance and resources isn't one of them.

I have no idea what you were trying to prove here, but you failed. At least you're consistent.

 

[sean miguel]

Oh wow, animus fox talking about something he doesn't understand? Shocking!

Aborigines in Australia get more money and resources for their social problems than anyone else, by a huge margin. Their problems are entrenched in their culture. They've been studied by countless experts to try to find ways to help put them on the right path, the effort has been ongoing for decades and still continues.

They also have high incidences of lead poisoning, in children as young as 7, because they won't stop sniffing jet fuel. Mothers put gasoline on babies blankets to put them to sleep. The government builds them free houses, and they tear them down and burn them. Provides jobs, that they never show up for.

If an aborigine wants to go to school or university, there are no entry requirements and they get a free ride.

Yes, aborigines have problems, but lack of assistance and resources isn't one of them.

I have no idea what you were trying to prove here, but you failed. At least you're consistent.

So you're saying it's a cultural problem, not a resource one. Oh the irony.

 

[rivasky]

I'm not here to troll this thread or bait you. It's unfortunate that these threads always turn into silly name calling contests these days, so you can't actually have any sort of discussion or learn about another person's point of view. But anyway, I *thought* that the European system has a component that's funded through taxation, as well as a component (sort of like our supplemental polices) that's privately or employer funded. :dunno:

Just to make my point clear:

Taxation is different from health care because they are separate domains. In my country, taxes can be spent by the government for whatever they want: Infrastructure, military, education, you name it.
Health care deductions can only be spent on health care and nothing else.

 

[bobjustbob]

Because through decades of propaganda and greed the powers that be have convinced the sheep to be perpetually afraid. This has allowed them to waste trillions of dollars on 'defence' instead of putting the tax dollars of the people to improving the fate of the people.
It is a national embarrassment that the bleating millions allow this to occur.
But by all means live in fear.

We were closing and realigning military bases for decades. 350 of them closed till Obama's people put a stop to that. Yes, GW went along with this too.

 

[Luxman]

Trumpcare isn't about health. It's a tax cut for the 1%

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/26/trumpcare-health-tax-cut-1-percent