I'm not a father, and far from it but i wan't kids in the future, yes you may think about all the problems and hassles they might cause but at some point you'll hold something so small and vulnerable in your arms and forget all about those tiny problems.
Why do people want kids?
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You're absolutely right.
Too many people have kids for the wrong reasons. By too many, I mean a very large majority.
And reproduction is not a "natural instinct" of human beings. Our biological urge is to have sex.
Don't use a child to escape reality. Those problems you want to forget will still be there when you put your child down, and then what. Have another?
There is millions of kids who don't have homes or families. Like someone suggested earlier, be a real hero.
Since when did i mention anything about having loads of children? and when did i say you should get rid of them, make them homless.
All i said was that if you have a child you'll understand and some point it's all worth it.
Neither am i saying that everyone should have kids, thats your own choice, im just saying before you start slating people for giving their reasons for having children understand where they are coming from.
I know when i have kids i'll never come to a point that i would ever get rid of them, and i would never bring a child up unless i could definately provide a stable environment.
All i said was that if you have a child you'll understand and some point it's all worth it.
Neither am i saying that everyone should have kids, thats your own choice, im just saying before you start slating people for giving their reasons for having children understand where they are coming from.
I know when i have kids i'll never come to a point that i would ever get rid of them, and i would never bring a child up unless i could definately provide a stable environment.
ChefChiTown
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What I said?
If so: I know a lot of people who have had a kid just to say "I have a baby" to all of their friends. Go into almost any high school and look at how many idiot girls walk around, gloating to their friends about how they're pregnant. There's no other reason for a girl that age to be having a baby. It's all about being able to say "I have a baby" and nothing else.
Actually what is ridiculous here in the UK is that so many girls leave school and get pregnant purely for the benefits the government hands out to teenage mum's. These days they're seeing it as their own career choice to just have children and live off of the government.
This approach to me seems completely unfair on the child.
This approach to me seems completely unfair on the child.
Its a vicious circle, these girls are usually brought up in single parent homes, who live off of benefits and they grow up to believe that is the right way. So they have a child, which intern grow up in an environment dictated to around benefits.
There needs to be more education given to these people that states that there are better lives out there than getting pregnant at 15 or 16 just for the sake of getting a flat and £100 every couple weeks. But education can only go so far. If people are willing to live like that and the state continues to sponsor them. The circle will continue to turn.
Philbert
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So, if you know lots of people who do stupid and fucked up things, which I doubt, change your circle of acquaintances. I don't go into high schools and look around. I don't hang with high school age people.
There are lots of idiots among millions of people, I have met useless people who want to gain credibility by having a baby, and the status that comes with being a parent. What does that have to do with this thread topic?
There are lots of idiots among millions of people, I have met useless people who want to gain credibility by having a baby, and the status that comes with being a parent. What does that have to do with this thread topic?
Philbert
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This is what I was trying to post...So, if you know lots of people who do stupid and fucked up things, which I doubt, change your circle of acquaintances. I don't go into high schools and look around. I don't hang with high school age people.
There are lots of idiots among millions of people, I have met useless people who want to gain credibility by having a baby, and the status that comes with being a parent. What does that have to do with this thread topic?
Philbert
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You're absolutely right.
ChefChiTown
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First, read the thread topic. It says...
I answered that question by saying...
Obviously, you thought that didn't make sense, so I clarified why I said what I said, by giving you the example of high school girls that have babies. Not by accident, but because they want to. I don't know how it was like for you when you were in high school, but I saw a lot of stupid girls trying to get pregnant, just so they could have some sort of ass-backwards sense of coolness.
The thread topic discusses why people want kids. I gave an answer to that, so that is what it has to do with the thread topic.
Philbert
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No, you said a lot of people do that; no, they don't, A relatively small number do that, having a baby for prestige wears off quickly and all the work becomes a drag for most shallow self-centered high school girls. They can see the other babies having babies, losing all their free time, and most have their babies by accident, not on purpose.
ChefChiTown
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How old are you? I'm 27 and I see a lot of people my age and younger having babies for stupid reasons.
Philbert
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LOL A lot older than 27...
Like this one?
This is such an imaginary concept, from someone who makes less than $2000 a month, likes to share their favorite stories about the color of their feces, or how small their penis is.
You don't really have much to sacrifice, 'cept maybe your excessive posting on FreeOnes; the chance of you qualifying to adopt is slightly less than the odds of winning the Illinois Lottery with one ticket.
Children are a part of life, not an outside project. If you don't expect to find a wife (I don't even want to know why), what makes you think you have what it takes to guide someone through life?
Kids aren't like puppies, you don't put them outside when they get too noisy or rambunctious.
Google can't give you parenting skills, they come from the heart. Google helps with the details of feeding, and other specifics.
But...good luck with that. There are many crack babies available for a low price, I hear. Even a die-hard kid advocate like me wouldn't care to open that can of worms.
ChefChiTown
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That's probably why we don't see the world in the same way.
Yeah, I imagined it all up. You got me. I don't really feel that way at all. I just felt like posting some random, imaginary bullshit that I made up.
You can't be serious.
I'm sorry...where did I say that I was in the process of trying to adopt a child? What does my current situation have anything to do with my future ability to take care of a child?
I don't have anything to sacrifice? Really? Before you try and criticize me by picking and choosing some funny and childish things that I have said on this forum, maybe you should read some of my other posts and note how much I have already sacrificed in my life. I have sacrificed plenty. I always have and I always will.
Just because I'm not wealthy doesn't mean that I can't raise a child. Just because I joke around about the color of my poop and how small my penis is, doesn't mean that I can't raise a child. I'm not some stupid idiot youngster that feels like being a superhero by adopting a child from some sort of self absorbed sense of accomplishment. I've seen how fucked up of a life that unparented and unloved children can have. I might not be the richest man in the land, but I am one of the most loving.
Raising an adopted child is a sacrifice all on it's own; a sacrifice that I am more than willing to make.
What does having a wife have anything to do with my ability to guide somebody through life? Are you saying that people who aren't married can't raise children?
They're called "single parents" and you just insulted each and everyone of them by saying what you have just said.
Really? I thought that children were like puppies. Silly me!!!
I'm well aware that parenting skills come from the heart. Like I said before, I'm not some uneducated jackass that wants to have a kid just because I think it's "cool".
You say "kids aren't like puppies" but now you're talking about their prices, as if they're some sort of sale item at Wal-Mart? Yeah, some "die-hard kid advocate" you are.
Philbert
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There's an obvious personality flaw here...the way you twist a simple statement into a false declaration shows a kind of desperation to have things as you want them, not as they are.
I see you are your own best advocate, what a kind and caring person you must be. Just ask you...
"Are you saying that people who aren't married can't raise children?"
"...but now you're talking about their prices" (What price was mentioned? Too subtle for you again?)
As for your silly and obvious attempt to change what I said into a declaration of some foolish concept, if I wanted to say that I'd have said that. Was I too subtle for you? Do you need simple slowly typed short syllable sentences to extrapolate what I am saying?
If I'm wasting my time addressing your posts I'll just ignore what you post, and address other more perceptive members. Little tricks like those you use to change what is said are boring and unproductive techniques used by those unable to respond to the thrust of the discussion.
Not that it matters, but I am a big on-purpose supporter of single parents; your feeble attempt to put me on the defensive is useless given your lack of knowledge of who I am.
I always post what I mean, and if you had read many of my posts you would know that.
"That's probably why we don't see the world in the same way." Gee...the mysterious world of the 27 year old.
ChefChiTown
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A) Are you going to answer the question or just continue to avoid it?
B) I don't believe that at all. This whole entire post of yours is a perfect example of beating around the bush. You just go on and on about how I'm twisting your words and trying to make them a "declaration of some foolish concept". I think what you really want to say is "I don't think you could raise a child Chef", but you have yet to say it. So, no...I don't believe that at all.
Yes...please. It...would...help...me...a...lot. Thank...you.
A) Boring and unproductive techniques? Kind of like the one you are using in this very post? All you did was completely ignore anything that I said and respond with a few paragraphs stating nothing more than that you think I am using tricks of some sort. Don't lecture me about doing something when you do it yourself.
B) I have read a lot of your posts, some of which are insightful. I even repped you for a post you made in this very thread. The difference between you and I is that I'm not making generalized assumptions about who you are as a person just from what I read in your posts, which is exactly what you did to me.
How is that mysterious? You said you were "a lot" older than 27, so I'm assuming you're at least in your 50s or 60s. I have to assume that because you didn't really answer the question that I asked you about how old you are. I don't know a lot of 50 or 60 year olds that have the same points of view as a 27 year old.
So, once again, how is my world so mysterious?
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