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Why America is Finished
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There's no claims there, those are facts. As you pointed out, America is growing at an alarming rate. So we should just keep taking it in the ass, you suggest??? You want to keep throwing money into the toilet school system that doesn't work? How about you? And a FYI, Wikipedia is the least credible source on the web. Just curious....your'e from the Netherlands? Why are you commenting on the immigration policies of the US? Do you want to use our country as a trash can of sorts for the worlds undesirables?
The Suze Z3 was an electro-mecanical computer.The first PROGRAMMABLE ELECTRONIC computers were the ten Colossus machines used in the UK during WW2.Some Americans worked with them at Bletchley Park and used knowledge from this to design and build the ENIAC computer.The Atanasoff–Berry Computer was not programmable.
If you want to know why America is finished don't turn to gumball machine pundits like Michael Savage, but rather individuals like Noam Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, Naomi Klein, Paul Krugman, Ralph Nader, David Walker, Gerald Celente, practically every western philosopher e.g. critical theorists, of the past 100 years, Lyndon LaRouche, and ah, yeah. The U.S. has been running on an unsustainable system for a long time.
In that case it's the UK, not the US. Still, it says enough about the credibility of what was posted.
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No, just stating that the US being full is a crappy statement. If you want to limit immigration, try to come up with a better excuse.
Blah blah blah, tisp tisp tisp.
This has to be a joke?! This is your response to my post?! Oh my f*****g god. No wonder half the world thinks that most Americans are retards. And that's a really sad thing.
You know why you wrote that? Because you don't have a response. You have no idea what to respond to my posting.
No, these terms and ideas are not interchangeable! They are defined by science (history, political science, social studies). Just because you and a lot of especially conservative Americans don't know their proper meaning or have no idea how to use them correctly, does not mean, that you can abolish their specified definitions, axioms or theories.
My type?! You don't know me, powerpuff girl. You're lumping together peverts, communists, atheist, murderers and on top of that apply this to anyone like me who has a decent political education? Where I come from, that would be considered an insult. If that level of education and argumentation is the future of the US, I'd say 'Good Bye America'.
And if you can in your opinion name me anything, then from now on you're name shall be fruitcake, fruitcake.
And that's the last I'll say in this topic. There's a nice saying in German which goes "Argumentiere niemals mit einem Idioten, denn er zieht dich auf sein Niveau und schlägt dich dort mit seiner Erfahrung." (Never argue with an idiot, because he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with his experience.)
Ummm, that the MAJORITY of it's citizens want to end, or at the very least limit it. That's a bad "excuse"? GTFOH
Your'e rambling. Your'e trying to come off smart, but I'm not sitting here acting like I'm a rocket scientist, nor am I going to submit to you that I don't know what terms like "anarchist" and "communist" and "liberal" stand for. Many people fit under some of these ideologies in different ways/different context. Go back and listen to Savage; he's saying virtually the same thing.
You want to call me 'fruitcake', then your name is charlatan. It's fitting for you. Get lost.
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You seem to have it out for BSS for some reason, so allow me to interject...
How can you compare immigration in Japan, Germany or Great Britain to the United States? I can't even laugh about that statement.
Do you realize the amount of people who try to illegally cross the US border on a daily basis? My cousin is an officer for the United States Border Patrol. His station alone, which is responsible for no more than a 5 mile stretch of the border, catches dozens of illegal immigrants every single day. And, that's only in a 5 mile stretch of the border. As well all know, the United States' border is much, much larger than that.
People don't flock to Japan, Germany or Great Britain like they do to the United States. Comparing them is like comparing the fighting skills of Mike Tyson and a 6 year old girl.
If I had to take a guess, and I'm not clicking on that clip because anything from "stormfront.org" isn't worth the bandwith or time spent poking inevitable holes in the material, but if I had to take a guess, Tubular was probably satirically retorting to the clip. :dunno:
Are we really going to get into a discussion about who shouts louder--liberal commentators or Wacko commentators--or who collects more death threats?
Bush/Rove/Cheney purposely drove the wedge between Conservative/Liberal viewpoints the past 8 years. I applaud Obama for trying to build a consensus but I also worry that the Republicans will be successful in their obstructionist agenda and all that will happen in the next 2 years is 15% unemployment in the nation and even more Republicans losing elections in 2010.
Maybe, but I bet Obama's a one term President...:thumbsup:
The UK has undergone massive immigration from Eastern Europeans, this isn't illegal as all EU citizens can live where they choose.Nobody knows how many because there's no border control but it's probably about 3 million.This would correspond to 20 million in the US.
Don't overlook that America was MADE by mass immigration , those who got there earlier felt that once they had a place there were too many more coming in.It takes time but the economy will grow to take them.
It's funny that immigrants are starting to leave the U.S. because of the economy. The standard of living just keeps getting worse and worse. Most of the Eastern Europeans think that they will advance here, and then they find themselves working at a bar or in retail and barely able to pay their rent and put food on the table. Some life eh? It's sad actually since a lot of the ones I have met are extremely intelligent university graduates. Too many people, not enough jobs, and it will continue on that path until someone figures out a new system.
I should probably clarify why I say a new system. It's because even if you create more jobs (as the Messiah proclaims he will do) and continue to build and develop through industrialization in order to employee people, this eventually hits a dead end, and is unsustainable, not to mention that it is turning this planet into a pile of contaminated shit. So these world leaders need to take a long look in the mirror and instead of figuring out how best to exploit people, they should figure out how best to manage, maintain, and stabalize this new globally interconnected world we live in.
I should probably clarify why I say a new system. It's because even if you create more jobs (as the Messiah proclaims he will do) and continue to build and develop through industrialization in order to employee people, this eventually hits a dead end, and is unsustainable, not to mention that it is turning this planet into a pile of contaminated shit. So these world leaders need to take a long look in the mirror and instead of figuring out how best to exploit people, they should figure out how best to manage, maintain, and stabalize this new globally interconnected world we live in.
Immigrants don't leave, they are emigrants if they do.
Your argument about sustainability makes no sense-the people you mention have simply changed places.The planet is sustaining them wherever they are.
The US population was 23 million in 1850,76 million in 1900, 161 million in 1950 and it's now a little over 300 million.These massive increases went hand in hand with rising living standards and life expectancy.
ChefChiTown
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Correspond? Eh, I don't think you can really make that sort of argument when it comes to immigration. That's like saying "2 immigrants moved onto my block this weekend, and that corresponds with 45,000 in New York City, so it's about the same".
Technically, almost every country is "made" by mass immigration. What's your point?
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Devil's advo - What about the "liberals" who "argue that the death penalty wasn't murder" ?
Are you suggesting that liberals and conservatives, alike, march lock step to a particular drum beat ? Take a sample and you'll likely come to find that individuals may identify themselves as one or the other, however, when it comes to particular issues, they're Pick and Choose.
:glugglug: Cheers to classical liberalism :glugglug:
You'll have to explain that one. How does an increase in population result in an increase in the standard of living? To make it easier, let's say five people moved into your house, would your standard of living be higher?
My argument isn't that there have not been any technological advances, obviously there have been, my argument is that this system is not sustainable. It's built on exponential growth, and this is just not possible, for a variety of reasons. Our current systems are systems of exploitation and these standards I'm talking about you can see as it correlates with the buying power of the dollar. Even when you take into consideration inflation, a dollar does not buy what it used to, and it continues to fall. To add to this wages, and more specifically minimum wage, has not risen to match the inflation of the currency. Living standards also went down for many reaons, one in particular has to do with the complete drop off in manufacturing services in the U.S., largely due to corporations moving their factories overseas and hiring immigrants to work under the table, or for dirt wages. What in technical terms is referred to as outsourcing. Free trade has also crippled the working class in the U.S. because they are incapable of competing with 50 cent an hour Chinese workers. America no longer produces anything, and it consumes something like 25% of the worlds resources. See the problem? 300 million out of nearly 7 billion, and they consume a quarter of the planet's resources. How do they do that you might ask? Do you think the will just go on? You think the bartender won't cut off the booze?
Didn't I already mention that I was being cheeky and using a stereotype to make a point? I'm well aware of the fact that people can mix their moral standards as they want, which more or less was the point (at least indirectly, as it had to do with blanket statements based on political labels). I certainly do, though I tend to lean towards what is considered liberal.
I don't care one way or another whether the death penalty is murder or not, that's just a matter of semantics and a waste of time. I'm not against it because it's morally wrong, I'm against it because it serves no practical purpose and some of the arguments for why it is justified can be used to justify essentially anything, ranging from a single murder to a Holocaust-level genocide.
Ummm, did you consider fertile land?
A better comparison might be east of the US Mississippi.
Lies, damn lies and statistics. One statistic rarely gives you any of the story.
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