Well, well, well....looks like Haiti wants to play....

[Mr. Daystar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gang-boss-haiti-threatens-kill-040018024.html

This little problem is going to get out of hand, if we don't nip it in the bud right now. Personally I think it can be fixed with 4 little words........

BLACK OPS HEAD SHOT

A few SEAL team snipers in the proper positions, and start putting extra holes in the foreheads of the bad guys. Lets face it, if they can pop 3 somalians AT THE SAME TIME off the fantail of a moving destroyer, they can handle this.

 

[gmase]

Their leader ‘swears by thunder’ so we should give him some lightning.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Well once the hostages are safe. or we know they've been murdered, we can provide that in the form of around the clock carpet bombing. Hell we have bases close enough, they won't even need any in flight refueling.

 

[tvstrip]

Well once the hostages are safe. or we know they've been murdered, we can provide that in the form of around the clock carpet bombing.

I know you jest, but have you seen the country? There's nothing to bomb, or at least, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference before & after.

Seeing as how G9 is claiming innocence, why not let them take the lead? If they can successfully rescue them, it's a huge feather in their cap.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I know you jest, but have you seen the country? There's nothing to bomb, or at least, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference before & after.

Seeing as how G9 is claiming innocence, why not let them take the lead? If they can successfully rescue them, it's a huge feather in their cap.

I will look into this, and address it, when I am not 27 beers deep. I will say this, the carpet bombing comment was meant to cause shock and outrage, but the whole sniper black ops thing, I'm for that %110,
And thank you for not assuming I'm next in line for Superman's nemesis, I believe the internet test said I was only 80% evil.

But the truth is a foreign country VERY close to the United States IS making serious threats to the lives of non military individuals. I would think a group of this sort would welcome the alliance of an enemy we really do not want within the striking range Haiti is, The problem is, you can't reason with crazy. You never know what they'll pull, and worse, neither do they!! This is this generations "Cuban Missile Crisis". I find it hard to believe that groups from the Middle -East or worse China, won't exploit this for intelligence gathering.

 

[John_8581]

I know you jest, but have you seen the country? There's nothing to bomb, or at least, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference before & after.

Haiti just needs a few more earthquakes, a bit of famine, a touch more of Covid-19.

As stated by our esteemed one, # 45:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ti-african-countries-shithole-nations-n836946

Outrageous you say? A bit racist from our dictator-to-be? You betcha.

And why do Black Conservative Republicans, i.e., ex-Army Lieutenant Colonel Allen West love this man? I just can't figure that out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician)

 

[gmase]

Haiti just needs a few more earthquakes, a bit of famine, a touch more of Covid-19.

As stated by our esteemed one, # 45:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...ti-african-countries-shithole-nations-n836946

Outrageous you say? A bit racist from our dictator-to-be? You betcha.

And why do Black Conservative Republicans, i.e., ex-Army Lieutenant Colonel Allen West love this man? I just can't figure that out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_West_(politician)

Agree. No need for us to bomb Haiti. god seems to do it on a regular basis.

 

[Little Red Wagon Repairman]

Sounds like a mission for John Rambo. Let the killing and butchery begin.

 

[tvstrip]

Haiti just needs a few more earthquakes, a bit of famine, a touch more of Covid-19.

And another presidential assassination.
They're usually the first to fill their bingo card for "shit that could go wrong in your country".

Which is why it boggles me that the majority of those who were sent back home from the Texas border didn't take the asylum offers in Mexico.

 

[Johan]

“You may wonder why our workers chose to live in a difficult and dangerous context, despite the apparent risks,” the organization said. "Before leaving for Haiti, our workers who are now being held hostage expressed a desire to faithfully serve God in Haiti."

"They are U.S. citizens, and there has been targeting over the course of the last few years of U.S. citizens in Haiti and other countries too...for kidnapping for ransom. That is one of the reasons that the State Department issued the warning they did in August about the risk of kidnapping for ransom.”

Because of this, whatever the US government would do to get them back, they, their families and the organisation that get them there should pay the bill. Tax-payers should not have to pay for the stupidity and carelessness of these morons.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Nobody would have to pay, if they started putting bullets in the heads of these fuckwits.

Fact is, some people just need killing.

EDIT: I have a better idea, fill a briefcase full of counterfeit bills, that have been soaked with some vile deadly poison that enters ther blood stream through the pores, and let them die slowly, while their insides turn inside out.

 

[Johan]

Nobody would have to pay, if they started putting bullets in the heads of these fuckwits.

Actually, even if the hostages are killed, bringing the corpses in the US to be buried would cost money.

EDIT: I have a better idea, fill a briefcase full of counterfeit bills, that have been soaked with some vile deadly poison that enters ther blood stream through the pores, and let them die slowly, while their insides turn inside out.

Sounds like a (bad) hollywood scenario. Fact is, real life ain't a hollywood movie.

 

[Mr. Daystar]

I reject your reality, and substitute it for my own!

 

[tvstrip]

Because of this, whatever the US government would do to get them back, they, their families and the organisation that get them there should pay the bill. Tax-payers should not have to pay for the stupidity and carelessness of these morons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shosei_Koda

Japan actually takes a more extreme approach - they'll just say it's your fault and won't even try to get you back. This guy had a cross tattoo inscribed upon his arm and "ignored advice not to travel to Iraq, and entered the country, because he wanted to know what was happening there" during the height of the isis offensive. When isis demanded ransom, the Japanese government told them to fuck off and faced practically no blowback from the general population, who blamed the guy for going to Iraq in the first place.

 

[tvstrip]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article255639801.html

Almost a month and no changes. Well, not really - it's gotten worse.
So much for any pipe dreams of a US rescue; joe is basically telling everyone to get out of dodge 'cause they're not coming to save you.

As bad as Afghanistan might be, I think Haiti is worse. At least there is some semblance of government with the taliban, instead of a literal gangwar raging across the country for years, only to stop for the occasional natural disaster. And the foreign policy or the world (including the US) towards them is: You're on your own. Go figure it out".

 

[John_8581]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article255639801.html

Almost a month and no changes. Well, not really - it's gotten worse.
So much for any pipe dreams of a US rescue; joe is basically telling everyone to get out of dodge 'cause they're not coming to save you.

As bad as Afghanistan might be, I think Haiti is worse. At least there is some semblance of government with the taliban, instead of a literal gangwar raging across the country for years, only to stop for the occasional natural disaster. And the foreign policy or the world (including the US) towards them is: You're on your own. Go figure it out".

Do you think that if Donald Trump was still President that his Administration would be doing anything different than what the Biden Administration has already done? No. Those people would still be hostages in Haiti. Remember the last time a sitting President did something militarily to save hostages? President Carter did that in April 1980 and it ended badly for the Army. Eight servicemen died and five were injured when the helicopter collided with one of the transport planes as the result of Operation Eagle Claw with no American hostages being released. After President Reagan was elected, then successful negotiations started between the United States and Iran with the assistance of Algerian intermediaries. Only after Ronald Reagan was inaugurated on January 20, 1980 and the U.S. Government chose to free up close to $8 billion in frozen Iranian assets was when the fifty-two American hostages were then released from captivity. Didn't ex-President Jimmy Carter go to West Germany the next day to greet those Americans who were freed?

You could have the U.S. Navy blockade all the ports in Haiti so that nothing could come in or out of Haiti. But what would that accomplish? Nothing. The Haitian people would still be starving and living in poverty regardless. No changes there.

 

[tvstrip]

When trump referred to "Shithole countries", Haiti was actually the top country he was singling out. He made it abundantly clear he doesn't give a shit about that country and its people. I sincerely doubt he would use any resources to help them.

But going in to rescue Christian American hostages? I didn't think about it until you mentioned it, but now I actually think he may have done something if he were in office.

-He doesn't look at Haitians (the kidnappers, military, civilians) as human, so using force isn't a problem for him, in fact, I bet he would be happy to hear a high casualty count.
-Those operations you mentioned were authorized by presidents who understood the ramifications of collateral damage.
-On the other hand, trump wouldn't care about any civilian casualties or any collateral damage resulting from a Haitian rescue operation. A rescue operation (or any military operation) becomes much easier when you can eliminate any target who isn't a hostage.
-He is very much about bravado - he would have absolutely reveled in the chance to show off the US SpecOps and have his own "We got them" moment like Obama & Bush did with Osama & Saddam.
-He has a god complex, so past hostage rescue failures wouldn't deter him.
-Haiti isn't a country that could militarily or economically retaliate against the US.
-Rescuing Christians would be perfect for his brand and solidify his base.
-The gap between the capabilities of the modern US military and a bunch of Castro-era Haitian gangsters.

That's just off the top. I'm sure there are more if we seriously analyzed the situation.

Do you think that if Donald Trump was still President that his Administration would be doing anything different than what the Biden Administration has already done?

If joe was elected because he wasn't trump, then we have to expect that he would do things better than him. We should never be using the metric of things not being any different/better if trump was in power, as that's a very low bar to clear.

 

[gmase]

One year later, we are pining for Trump's return. Be patient, in 3 more years the wishes may be granted.

Seventeen people freely went to Haiti as missionaries, they were kidnapped, and now Joe Biden is the villain? How about their god or the organization that send them helping them out?

 

[Mr. Daystar]

Many years ago, I can't remember how many, but there were missionaries in El Salvador. It was during a very volatile time, revelation and war was running rampant, and several Catholic nuns, from America were raped, and murdered. I know it was news in this country, but unfortunately, I can't remember if any justice was doled out. Now I know it was there choice to be there, and they could have left, but they didn't. I guess the short version is, no good deed, goes unpunished.

 

[gmase]

Many years ago, I can't remember how many, but there were missionaries in El Salvador. It was during a very volatile time, revelation and war was running rampant, and several Catholic nuns, from America were raped, and murdered. I know it was news in this country, but unfortunately, I can't remember if any justice was doled out. Now I know it was there choice to be there, and they could have left, but they didn't. I guess the short version is, no good deed, goes unpunished.

Great memory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_murders_of_U.S._missionaries_in_El_Salvador

It occurred on December 2, 1980: Carter suspended aid to El Salvador, then "succeeding U.S. President Ronald Reagan favored the Salvadoran military regime; he authorized increased military aid and sent more U.S. military advisers to the country to aid the government in quelling the civil/guerrilla war."