Views Of Muslims

[BioDefenseGrad]

Then you should know there is a difference between this type of extremist and the fundmentalists who inspire and in some cases exploit them.

The first thing that's understood about a violent extremist is that they are lying hypocrites...that's true of all of them not matter the doctrine.

Case in point, professed white supremacist von Brunn rants about his hatred for Blacks, Jews, etc. in one statement then accuses the Jews of pitting the races against each other in another.

Fundamentalists are at the core of any extremist movement period..and it is the weak they use to do their bidding.

True. I would contend that the facilitators and those providing material support are sometimes more dangerous than many of the folks traveling abroad for Jihad.

The hypocrisy of these taqfiri types is that they strip Islam down to it's expansionist core---kill the infidel and rape his women, take his property---and use that as justification for the stuff they indulge in. They've really said they are just "exposing the cesspool that the West is."

 

[squallumz]

muslims rock. respect them and let them do what they do. i aint got no beef with them.

 

[Hot Mega]

I think if you looked at American history, Native Americans in particular would have a lot to add to this discussion. If you can't or won't protect the interests and ideals of your Nation, someone who does care will make you a minority in your own home.

In the case of America, the nation that emerged from European colonization, no one in particular really owns this land, with the exception of the few Native Americans who can claim pure ancestry (DNA tests show that most Native Americans have substantial or majority European ancestry).

So we're a nation of immigrants and no one can claim the mantle of True American, this actually reinforces the demand that people conform. If people weren't forced to leave their old identity behind, we'd be a balkanized collection of peoples with different interests. But because we force everyone to become American (my parents are immigrants but now see themselves as American) we're able to unite the country by and large. Yes stuff happens, but overall we're a success.

Now when people said, but the Scoth- Irish or the Irish had troubles with Americans....

That argument fails because it's saying that a Similar group having problems to Britsh descended Americans (Christians, Northwest Europeans who speak English, Westerners) had difficulty and then assimilated. So an even farther flung group, Muslims, sometimes non-English speak, non-Western will also be just fine.

That's like saying, "This chair was able to support 50 lbs. so it should also be able to support 150 lbs." Don't be surprised if the chair breaks. Which is why people warn against taking in immigrants or refugees in numbers that aren't conducive to rapid assimilation.

I thought Native Americans migrated across the Asian/North American "land bridge" 12,000 years ago.

 

[Jane Burgess]

They are like every other group of people. Some are good and some are bad.

 

[Hot Mega]

The hypocrisy of these taqfiri types is that they strip Islam down to it's expansionist core---kill the infidel and rape his women, take his property---and use that as justification for the stuff they indulge in. They've really said they are just "exposing the cesspool that the West is."

I'd be careful arguing that. You are using the most extreme examples to make your point on a seemingly linear basis.

In other words, your argument looks like their arguments against what they view as Palestinian oppression, Abu Ghraib, GTMO, collateral damage, every incident of atrocity some member of our military commits, conspiracy, etc.

We are in a war against extremism irrespective of the doctrine.

 

[wildenglishgal1984]

What is the deal with the turbans they wear ? Don't really know any muslims, but I don't think they are good people, I mean they carry knives in their boots for God sake !

xoxo

 

[bodie54]

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[hammerer]

No problem with Islam,per se. My biggest problem is with anyone who refuses to allow others to find truth for themselves. The second biggest problem I see is marginalization, in every philosophy and religion, where we automatically say no further discussion is necessary to prove or disprove different philosophical issues in each new generation, automatically ignoring an adherent's concerns (of whatever philosophy), just because we have disproved the issue in our own minds.

 

[ajitpd]

In my opinion, "no further discussion is necessary to prove or disprove different philosophical issues" in this thread, therefore, it must be closed.

:2 cents:

 

[lovejoy]

muslims rock. respect them and let them do what they do. i aint got no beef with them.

History tells us the Muslims fought against the Christians forever.

So don't count on it. I aint got no beef with them but they got beef with us !

 

[lovejoy]

History repeated itself:

The Crusades were a series of religiously-sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe. The specific crusades to regain control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291. Other campaigns in Spain and Eastern Europe continued into the 15th century. The Crusades were fought mainly against Muslims.

Muslims are mostly Arabs and Osama bin laden is an Arab. We did not attack them nor we have beef with him. But they have beef with the West.

 

[lovejoy]

What is the deal with the turbans they wear ? Don't really know any muslims, but I don't think they are good people, I mean they carry knives in their boots for God sake !

xoxo

Turbans are worn by a special sect in India mostly in Punjab Province.

Turbans have absolutely nothing to do with Muslims.

They have their own religion(s) and Gods !

 

[Rey C.]

When I read questions like this, I always ask myself, "what would Sarah Palin say?"

Then I go 180 degrees in the other direction. :tongue:

 

[squallumz]

History tells us the Muslims fought against the Christians forever.

So don't count on it. I aint got no beef with them but they got beef with us !

it takes 2 to tango.

 

[sweetandrough]

In my opinion, "no further discussion is necessary to prove or disprove different philosophical issues" in this thread, therefore, it must be closed.

:2 cents:

I agree

I thought religious and racial discrimination were against the board rules!

 

[Nick_FM]

In the case of America, the nation that emerged from European colonization, no one in particular really owns this land, with the exception of the few Native Americans who can claim pure ancestry (DNA tests show that most Native Americans have substantial or majority European ancestry).

So we're a nation of immigrants and no one can claim the mantle of True American

Every country in the western hemisphere (which really is "America",not just the U.S.A.) emerged from European colonization. Brazil,Argentina,and Uruguay (among many others) are nations of immigrants too.

 

[Facetious]

I Just wanted to know what peoples views are on muslims are they all good

There are both good and bad people in all races and religions.

do they look bad cuz of some bad people

There is an unapologetic sentiment within the Muslim community immediately following any large scale terrorist attacks. It makes non muslims wonder as you can imagine.

 

[mrtrebus]

What is the deal with the turbans they wear ? Don't really know any muslims, but I don't think they are good people, I mean they carry knives in their boots for God sake !

xoxo

Turbans are not traditionally worn by Muslims, although some wear a form of headress that could be called a turban I suppose. If you see people with turbans they are most likely Sikhs.

As for the knives in their boots? What ARE you on about?

 

[Facetious]

I agree

I thought religious and racial discrimination were against the board rules!

As long as the discussion remains civil, there should be no discrimination.

How would diverse peoples ever get to know one another if we're in constant fear of "offending one another" ?

:2 cents: :dunno:

Turbans are not traditionally worn by Muslims, although some wear a form of headress that could be called a turban I suppose. If you see people with turbans they are most likely Sikhs.

Are both turbans as well as muslim "head dressing" manually wrapped by hand ?

Isn't there a color "code" involved with turbans ? (for rank, age etc. ?)

 

[sweetandrough]

As long as the discussion remains civil, there should be no discrimination.

How would diverse peoples ever get to know one another if we're in constant fear of "offending one another" ?

:2 cents: :dunno:


"What is the deal with the turbans they wear ? Don't really know any muslims, but I don't think they are good people, I mean they carry knives in their boots for God sake !

xoxo"

I don't call this "civil". Civil people get a fact or two right before they generalize that muslims are not good people. This is simple prejudice.